150 with any level of training is hard as hell when the target moves
hell most cant hit at 150feet
but then again mass shootings dont happen too often down here do they

 

No they don't. But you don't see them at all in rual areas.

 

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shit they killed the catsup

 

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the control of iodiocy is not a cure to the issues at hand; you cannot expect idiots to control idiots
common sense has left the populace of america and such we suffer the offences of our own freedoms
we allow rampant criminality to become "pop culture" and even pay for the "privilage"


also the 2nd admendment does not garuntee nor provide that you should be allowed to posses firearms
it states that citizens be alowed possesion of arms in order to maintain an organized malitia
the police and military are the organized malitia
certain areas have a state gaurd and they are recognised as an organised malitia

i still serve as a recall soldier by means of reserve and truth be told any person to have served the military are still recallable unless unfit for combat

i am a volunteer firefighter and serve my post on the chamber of commerce as well as my position on the county council

i will advocate for the requirement of stiffened restrictions on firearms but not new laws

 

Fair enough. I am not reserve but I was told I might be asked to re-enlist to help train new Scout/Snipers. They gave me a choice when I lost my leg either change MOS or take a honorable discharge, I discharged but would go back if it was strictly for training.

 

You missed it. The concept of restricting gun sales to the mentaly ill DOES restrict gun sales. Again, the number of crimes commited with class three firearms that outnumber the number of automatic weapons in the possesion of the military, federal agencies and the police is two since 1936. Thats a better ecord than any country in europe except we dont apply the same rules to all firearms. Just certain firearms...the belt fed, fully automatic kind with the ability to be loaded with linked belts of hundreds or even thousands of rounds which eliminates the concept of reloading altogether. The Virginia tech shooter did most of his killing with a simple ten shot .22 pistol. Tell me how hard it is to reload again. Here is a video of a very skilled professional competition shooter reloading. People with even relatively modest skills can manage to do them very quickly as well. Im living proof.

Quick side note on the video. Look at the position of his left hand. The thumb covers the slide stop allowing him to release the slide upon reloading. The slide locks to the rear after the last shot and after replacing the magazine its a simple matter of placing your hand back on the weapon and hitting a small lever to snap the weapon back into battery and ready to fire. He is using a very heavily customized Model 1911 .45 caliber handgun with an eight shot magazine. The most popular handgun in IPSC shooting competitions.

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We have a system of reporting in place to prevent certain people for gaining access to firearms. Its called a criminal record. If you have one, when you go to a gun shop to buy a gun and they run your ID they get a big fat red flag that says "NOT ONLY NO, BUT HELL NO!" And then you get to explain to the police why you were trying to illegaly buy a firearm. Allowing parents...thats a key word here..PARENTS, counselors, psychiatrists, or even your regular doctor to inform authorities that you may not be suitable for firearms ownership and thus place the same simple notation on your ID that you cannot buy a gun isnt realy all that complicated. Many of these shooters parents have expressed intense frustration at not being able to get any sort of help or guidance regarding help for their sons who eventualy went on to slaughter people with guns they should never have had in the first place.

Its not anywhere near as simple as all that. I work with the mentaly ill and I can tell you that even those who are well known in the mental health system dont get admitted that easily. If you are unknown to the system, in most jurisdictions it requires the involvement of the local or county police in a violent incident that compels law enforcement to deem you to be enough of a threat to be admitted for observation. It is not possible for parents to do it just by filling out some papers. A dear old frined of mine whom I have known since kindergarten was shot and killed by police recently because he allegedly tried to assault the police with an axe. He had been known to law enforcement as a problem, paranoid schizophrenic for two decades and in that time, despite his parents best efforts and law enforcement reccomendations was only commited once for six days in that time.

The system of reporting a possible threat shouldnt require commitment or even a proper evaluation to red flag the person. Getting the red flag eliminated should require the oppinions of mental health professionals and extensive interviews with the individual in question. By not allowing just anyone to do it you can eliminate almsot all of the false reporting for purposes of harassment or revenge. Parents and professionals only. Maybe a spouse. The shooter in Colorado had been reported to the authorities but they have no power to red flag a person unless a crime has been commited. Without that its just a report in a file and thats just wrong.

 

tim a criminal record does not automaticaly preclude someone from buying a firearm in america
as was shown with the temple shooter
he had multiple dui/dwi's on his record in 3 states
he was also known to be a racist and a member of a hate music band
but he bought his pistol legaly????

 

A FELONY conviction excludes you from being able to buy a gun in all 50 states.

A dishonorable dischage from the military excludes you from buying a gun in all 50 states.

 

Do Americans need so many guns? Probably not
Is it their right to own them? Yes it is.

What do you expect though? You live in a country where every cop is armed. The government spends 3/4 of a trillion dollars of YOUR tax money on military. Most of Hollywood movies are centred around violence and guns and so on.

These mass killings are not something you can legislate against, they are not something you can prevent, not unless you want to bring the intrusive airport style security to all public places. No one is to blame, except for the killers themselves. Any changes to gun laws will have zero effect, other than disarming those that abide by the law. I have seen it first hand in my own country.

What concerns me is not the mass killings, nor the gangs that kill each other, but the 3 year old that finds his father's pistol on the floor next to the sofa, or the neighbour that decides to blow you away with his shotgun because your dog bit his cat. What really seems to be the problem in the USA is the number of gun accidents that you just don't see in the rest of the modern world.

 

Its not just felonies. If you're marijuana user you can't legally buy of even possess a gun and ammunition.

Medical-marijuana patients angered by firearms limits

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2011-09-29/medical-marijuana-guns/50607606/1

 

Lets start by executing every murderer in jail who used a gun in a crime and watch the problem decrease.

 

Just think of the money that would be saved as well.

The cost of keeping a person in prison on a life term averages $1.5 million.

I say hang em high with a rope. Rope is cheap and re-useable!:excited:

 

What a chickenshit little liar. I never said a thing about slapping a gun out of someone's hand. I said I bet I can slap a clip out of your hand before you can lock and load.

And I say that with some confidence because that's what a little old lady in Tucson Arizona did to end the mass killing taking place.

Tougher than you I bet. And I can tell by the way you just run your ignorant mouth.

But thanks for doing all that reading. Even if you didn't get it right I bet it was still a lot of work for you.

 

I bet that's what you say every time you look in the mirror.....

 

Nope, that's one area I have no problem with. I'm at a stage of life where I'm confident about who and what I am, love my life and family, and still have a little fun at least every day.

So I'd say you're the one looking in the mirror and seeing your own inner fears. And trying real hard not to see your own bullshit.