Man you're just bullshitting up a storm today aren't you?


Officials and experts praising FEMA for its response to Hurricane Sandy

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...6629d8-2447-11e2-ac85-e669876c6a24_story.html

 

Tell that to Germany where 26% of their electricity comes from renewables. Only 10% of US electricity comes from renewables, and that's including hydro.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2012/11/05/germany-renewable-power/1682675/

6% of Germany's electricity comes from solar. When you think sunshine, do you think Germany? The US has 3000% more sunshine than Germany. If they've decided theirs is worth using, why haven't we decided ours is? The thing about renewables is that not only are they cleaner, but eventually they pay for themselves. If a windmill last 50 years and pays for itself in 10, that's 40 years of basically free electricity. There lies the problem. Private companies want to turn a profit NOW, not in 10 years. That's why investment in solar, wind and other renewable energy sources should be our generations Hoover Dam. It will pay off immediately in jobs. It will pay off in the future in clean, inexpensive DOMESTIC electricity.

 

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Most of Germany's solar infrastructure is built by and on manufacturing plants.

We should adopt that model.

The EPA should write a directive stating that all U.S. manufacturing plants should build the kilowatt equivalent of their electricity production, plus a reasonable percentage, perhaps 10%, in green renewable sources such as solar and wind.

Germany's manufacturing corporations were incentivized to build their own green renewable infrastructures due to gratuitously excessive fossil fuel energy costs.

The EPA should emulate this model of Germany's success as well, by adding a reasonable incentivization excise tax on coal, oil, and LNG generated electrical power. Perhaps 200%.

This will incentivize U.S. manufacturing companies to make ten and twenty year investments in more socially responsible sources of energy. Just as the Germans were incentivized by a lack of cheap and accessible low-cost, backward thinking, socially irresponsible sources.

I am really getting the hang of being a Democrat.

 

How did you get in?

What have you done with our clarise?

 

Thank you. I was not aware of this. Just like I was not aware that solar panels shut down when the grid goes down because they generate more power than they use and put it back in the grid.

That seems like a problem we could fix and then we wouldn't have so many people suffering without electricity during these kinds of disasters.

 

Hi, DL.

I have been thinking about your post above, that people with superior intellects have voted overwhelmingly for Obama.

I concur fully with your position that persons of a superlative genetic composition and refinement have a more pronounced tendency to adopt progressive ideas.

This is why, on Umpire2's "PLEA TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY" thread, I am proposing that Representative John Boehner and the other Republicans in the lame duck Congress concede their defeat, stand down, and step aside to give their superiors free rein to finish all the good work that President Obama started.

Only persons of a certain quantifiable genetically determined character should be permitted to participate in our representative government, because government can only be properly represented by persons who are predisposed toward moving forward, rather than backward.

Surely you agree.

 

FEMA did the best job it could do, with the skeleton crew left by George Bush and the destructive Bush Tax Cuts, and it is only by the grace of President Obama and his superlative leadership that only a few hundred thousand citizens of New Jersey were still without power after eleven days. It is not FEMA's fault. You can't blame them. They are trying, and they are doing the best job that any reasonable person can expect, unless you're a right wing parrot in a plastic bubble.

 

I kind of like this idea to a point. Instead of taxing current energy sources let's offer tax credits for building green energy sources.

Is that corporate welfare?

Oh wait, we have credits like that now. Maybe they need to be increased to make the expense justifiable.

 

I have no problem with "corporate welfare" when it's done to create much-needed domestic industries. I have a problem with it when it's done to benefit industries that are experiencing record profits, are moving jobs overseas, and have the ability to flood Washington with money.

 

Whoa, whoa. Slow down. Who said anything about credits?

Those corporations have a social responsibility, and they're flush with cash they've hoarded ever since the Bush years. The EPA doesn't owe them a red cent in subsidies. Those greedy bastards have no right to shake down the American People just to do the right thing. They are going to have to ante up, just like the Germans did.

 

+1,

as I said in my post immediately above. Great minds think alike. These companies have been robbing off the people all these years and making the oil companies richer just to fill each other's pockets and send jobs everywhere but here. Time for them to pay it forward, and give back a little. Every corporation in America should be a net energy producer. Period.

 

Your Jedi mind tricks will not work on me, young Skywalker.

 

I think you meant to quote Tommyturtle.

Have no fear. I'm onto him, too. That dirty little hypocrite tried to twist my words and suggest President Obama and the EPA should give taxpayer funded kickbacks to corporate America and the 1%, just for doing the right thing.

That is not what I said. What I said is that we have to emulate Germany's chronic fossil fuel shortages to incentivize Corporate America to go green, and we should do this by imposing an excise incentivization tax on electrical power generated by coal, oil, and LNG. I am thinking that a 200% tax will triple the cost of energy and make it economically viable for corporations to make the necessary investments in solar and wind.

Basically I am in 100% agreement with LadyGodiva and Stumbler on this one. And, I expect, yourself.

 

Not to mention corporate welfare to support the oil and gas companies so gasoline, diesel fuel, and jet fuel can be our largest exports.

We've got to be pretty dumb to subsidize that.

 

The only reason I oppose a literacy test in order to qualify as a voter is because in the past those were used unfairly against blacks. Illiterate whites got easy questions, while well educated blacks got really hard questions.

I do not advocate a test so difficult that one would need a PhD from an elite university to pass, just difficult enough to keep Sarah Palin from voting.

 

Would you believe me if I said that I agreed with you here? So far very little if any of Obama's corporate welfare has created any lasting domestic jobs. I wish I was wrong.

Don't you realize that the new tax will be passed on directly to consumers, read INFLATION. Don't you realize that the new tax could raise the cost of doing business to the point that moving the business over seas is cheaper than paying the tax?

 

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Exactly why I am proposing that we levy an excise incentivization surcharge of up to 200% on the cost of oil, coal, and natural gas. We have to take progressive steps to encourage proper thinking. The ten-to-twenty years return on investment on wind and solar has to be made attractive here. We have to emulate Germany's lack of natural fossil fuel resources and lack of cheap supply in order to incentivize the nation to go embrace the future of natural renewable energy.

 

This is just non-progressive thinking.

The rich corporations have been hoarding cash for years, and they can well afford the new era of social responsibility. We have to issue directives that disincentivize the hoarding of cash, and we have to illegalize the expatriation of assets, for the common good. Corporations are just going to have to start giving back, and if they will not do so voluntarily, they can certainly be compelled. That is why my list of tasks for forward progress includes:

1. the illegalization of asset expatriation and cash hoarding;

2. the illegalization of refusing a job to a person who needs one;

3. compulsory participation in the affordable healtcare system.


The third does not pertain specifically to energy; in fact none of them do, directly, but they do speak to the social and patriotic obligations of the 1% and the corporatist leviathan. I did say my to-do-list is a work in progress, and obviously something will have to do about the refusal of the corporations and their stockholders to participate productively in the new energy economy.

 

You need not worry about that. The Republican Party is a thing of the past, as we decisively decided last Tuesday.

Going forward, we have to do something about the lameduck teabagger Republicans who are still clogging the house with their false majority. Boehner has to acknowledge that the people chose intelligence over fat-cat greed, and he has to step aside. He has to let President Obama finish the healing that he has begun and in my opinion done an impressive job on in the past four years, and anyone who thinks different is just a filthy hypocrite traitor who wants President Obama and the nation to fail.

 

It's very much akin to venture capitalism, which also results in failure more often than success. I don't have the actual figures at hand, but from what I've read, the track record of the Obama administration is actually pretty good.