Your data as been accepted and it appears to be truthful, however you continually refuse to take into account the environmental impact on black communities, you never take that in and mix it up with your "data", because if you did then all your figures would become skewed in the other direction, and that would ruin your thesis, and you still rely on the yet to be found "intelligence" gene and "crime" gene.

So while all your facts and figures sit in a perfect row your argument is flawed because you refuse to use all the data available.

 

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What data? Where is there evidence that most blacks are capable of performing and behaving as well as most whites?

All my life I have heard environmental excuses for black behavior and performance. I used to believe those excuses myself. Nevertheless, too much time has gone by since the civil rights legislation was passed in the United States. Too much has been done by the U.S. government to bring blacks up to white standards. The efforts have failed.

The end of legally sanctified segretation in the United States was a disappointment. The end of European colonialism in Africa was a disappointment. The end of apartheid in South Africa was a disappointment. Those who refuse to draw logical conclusions from these disappointments are blinding themselves to what they do not want to see.

It remains the truth that blacks in the United States have a much higher crime rate than whites, that they tend to perform poorly on all mental aptitude tests however they are designed, and that they tend to perform poorly in the class room and on the job.

Moreover, this has been true everywhere in the world. It has always been true. The burden of proof is on those who continue to maintain that the only significant genetic differences between the races are cosmetic.

I find it easy to explain racial differences by different population pressures lasting for hundreds and thousands of years. In urban civilizations those with superior intelligence tend to prosper. They tend to be more prolific than those of lesser intelligence. The criminal justice systems of urban civilizations remove those with criminal inclinations from the gene pool.

There is not one intelligence gene. There is not one crime gene. Intelligence and crime are determined by many genes working together. Over time urban civilizations promote the reproduction of those with intelligence genes, and reduce the reproduction of those with crime genes.

 

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I am struck by how similar DL'S logic and his statements compare to what the Pentagon was saying when Roosevelt wanted to desegregate the military.

Where's the proof you ask?

Tuskagee Airmen

But, you know that.

The fact is, those uppity black fighter pilots proved the point; they succeeded spectacularly where white racists predicted they would fail. And just to be sure, those racists did everything they could to make sure the experiment failed.

Did that end the problem of racism? Did the success of the Tuskagee Airmen make those crackers in the puzzle palace shake their heads and say "guess we were wrong, them niggers CAN fly planes, and be disciplined, and handle the stress of war"? Nope.

The Tuskagee Airmen, after out performing every similar group in the world, despite the best efforts of their white commanders, came home and were welcome to sit in the back of the bus. Again.

You will never show a racist how wrong he is, or why. He'll just find more stupid crap to justify his racist beliefs. But the good news is, the real racists are becoming scarce. You can raise a racist or a human being. You can make a human being into a racist, but it's nearly impossible to make a racist into a human being. All you can do is wait for them to die and try to minimize the damage they cause.

DL: shit happens. It happened to you. You survived. Move on.

 

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Hardly any white people think like that... The world is too connected today.

 

While I don't want to jump in here, I simply cannot help myself.

It seems that you, and those like you, always struggle so miserably with a rather simple rule -- that being the rule of averages. No one would deny the existence of outliers, but just as saying, "I once saw a black sheep," does not make the majority of sheep any less white, so your anecdotal examples of black perseverance do not disprove the average in the other direction. Why do you struggle with such a simple, grade-school concept?

You are given world-wide statistics of black crime, poverty, and educational failings. You are given the very real picture of Africa, in all it's savage glory. You are given example after example of countries suffering from african immigration, whether those places be the U.S., Canada, Europe, or, most recently, Israel. You are given scientific acknowledgment of real differences among the races -- the only debate being the influence of genetic differences in comparison to environment. You are given intelligence study after intelligence study, all demonstrating the same gap between the same races. And against all of this, you answer with, "The Tuskegee Airmen," and act as though you have matched blow for blow? How juvenile. Finally, you suggest those with all the evidence on their side are the ones who need to be "shown how wrong they are"? How pitiful.

I do not think I go too far in saying you are everything wrong with our world. Not happy enough in being merely an idiot in denial, you insist on being an arrogant one at that. Idiots have always existed in history, but only in the darkest of times have they gone about lecturing those in possession of the facts, rather than skulking about in the shadows and shrouding their faces in shame -- as idiots should.

 

no one refers to blood i wonder why

 

Grimm buddy! Haven't seen you about lately!........Hold on a sec

OI! DL! Pull up your socks!

So here's the thing. I have never denied the facts that have been tossed around; blacks are more likely to be involved in violent crime, and less likely to "succeed".

As they say; figures never lie

But liars figure

The issue with tossing these facts around is that racists step into the void when they use "facts" to a) prove their misbegotten prejudices and/or b) use them as justification for controlling the "problem"."Niggers is lazy, stupid, and violent so we ought to put all of them in chains".

Your Bell Curve Thingy goes to great lengths to prove that it must be a genetic thing. You know, cause lookit all the facts and figures that show the Jews and them orientals and them Europeans are so fucking smart compared to niggers, and compare the crime rates for them, and it's obvious; Niggers is stupid, and lazy, and violent."

Racists will go to great lengths to prove that their prejudice is justified, and that they are justified in "controlling" the problem presented by these sub human rascals.

Hitler did the exact same thing. And a few Million Jews paid the price. Was Hitler right? Was he justified in his program of genocide for Jews?

The Tuskagee Airmen, as a single example, do not disprove the Bell Curve Thingy. But consider the brutality of the Japanese and Germans in WWII along with the Tuskagee Airmen, and the Bell Curve Thingy's premise starts looking a bit............you know............flawed.

The German NATION followed a demented rabble rouser, cause they had been whipped by the world for 25 years, and ended up nearly eradicating the Jewish race.

The Japanese "Gods" decided they MUST HAVE the resources of China and they'd have it any way they could get it. And a few Million more people died. Brutally. The Japanese (led by a God on earth) believed they were superior to those backward Chinese and they "deserved" to have the resources that the Chinese weren't exploiting properly.

Roosevelt cooked up a way to desegregate the military in spite of what the crackers in the Pentagon wanted. And a few thousand blacks stepped up and proved that "niggers ain't so stupid or lazy". Decisively. Now, how the hell did they do that if they are genetically inferior to whites, and Germans, and Japanese? Especially when their cracker commanders did everything they could to sabotage them. Pretty tough going when you have to fight not only an enemy that will go to extremes to get at you and kill you and humiliate you, but also your own commanders, who are supposed to lead and motivate you.

These aren't examples of a "black sheep I saw once". They are statistically significant and in combination disprove the premise of the Bell Curve thingy. They don't disprove the facts and figures you are so fond of. They do expose the premise of the Bell Curve Thingy as invalid.

Your refusal or inability to refute my examples under scores what a big racist you are. And when you keep saying you have refuted my examples you show the entire forum what a sorry little man you are.

But you know that.

So

Shit happens. It happened to you. You survived it. Move on.

 

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......Shooter checks in, see if DL or Grimm are about.........nope

Once again, Shooter does the victory dance. That rascal has once again abandoned the field in dishonor.

 

NINE MYTHS ABOUT THE TUSKEGEE AIRMEN

Another misconception that developed during the last months of the war is the story that no bomber under escort by the Tuskegee Airmen was ever shot down by enemy aircraft...

In reality, bombers under Tuskegee Airmen escort were shot down on seven different days: June 9, 1944; June 13, 1944; July 12, 1944; July 18, 1944; July 20, 1944; August 24, 1944; and March 24, 1945...

The World War II records of the Fifteenth Air Force’s seven fighter groups and twenty-one bombardment groups, and the daily mission reports of the Fifteenth Air Force between June 1944 and April 1945, do not support the claim that the 332d Fighter Group was the only one to provide effective fighter escort protection...

The Tuskegee Airmen proved that they were equal to the other fighter pilots with whom they served heroically during World War II.

Daniel L. Haulman, PhD
Chief, Organizational Histories Branch
Air Force Historical Research Agency
http://www.tuskegee.edu/sites/www/u...rmen/Nine_Myths_About_the_Tuskegee_Airmen.pdf

 

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Maybe this will help explain it.

 

This might help too.



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If grimmtea and I are mistaken, please explain how we are mistaken.

 

This thread's opening a can of worms.

 

maybe he shouldn't have started it. truth is, why do some white people think some white people are crazy? well look around.