ok so then according to your logic all people should be banned from owning and possesing ant form of knife simply because some use it to commit murder?
so when will you give up your table knives?
also sinc 1 woman used sex as a weapon. giving men HIV knowingly, should therefore sex be banned as well?

 

According to my logic, knives can be used for other thing than merely killing, but guns cannot.

Do you even know what "logic" means, or is it that you're just incapable of applying it?

 

in the past guns have been used for sport such as target shooting and as they practice in the upper levels of society in europe clay shooting
they can be used as signaling devices to alert someont to ones position if lost
they can be used for self defence against carnivorous animals in case of attack
and believe it or not they can be used in the commercial production of food and shelter
the most effective and humane way of killing an animal for slaughter is a bullet or bolt to the spinal collumn
and the most efficient method of setting an anchor in dried concrete is to use a blank round to drive the nail

and ill tell you what ill bring a 400 pound ferel hog to your yard and see if you dnt beg for someone to shoot it

 

This is not what I would have expected from you. Where is your compassion for the grief stricken parents and families?

You and OT claim I have an agenda other than to bring to the forum the tragedy's which are repeated far too often.

It is good that you are embarrassed, you should be.

 

You helped me immensely by posting that link.

If 75% of the teen deaths are preventable, and seeing as how the number one killer of teens is automobile accidents, why is there no outrage over the carnage?

Each of those incidents had multiple collateral deaths, technically homicides because only one person was presumably operating each of the three vehicles. This was not a case of a stupid kid killing himself, so don't try that approach either.

This should not be swept under the rug as "Oh well, they're just kids".

 

actualy tenguy id suggest that the one here in texas involving the stolen SUV should be somewhat viewed as homocide
there is a level of negligence involved
the driver was speeding with passengers and made that decision freely
so does that actualy qualify as and accident?

 

Finally the AP has written a story and it has started to make the local and bloggers news reports.

http://www.theitem.com/news/ap_news...cle_bebbf4f7-04a3-5ee8-9eec-9f189736da12.html

Ohio crash cautionary tale for families with teens

 

The Ohio crash is absolutely a homicide, the vehicle was stolen, the driver was unlicensed, the vehicle was speeding and being operated recklessly.

The circumstances surrounding the Illinois crash have not yet been determined.

 

there was one here as well over the weekend that involved a stolen vehicle that resulted in the deaths of youths
but i reitterate should the tool be blamed before the user?

i am by far a 2nd admendment screamer because i do believe that some restrictions should be inacted but then again the restrictions i want are to stop criminals from having guns and cars and knives and freedom

 

You people just amaze me. You jump on your soap box, moan and groan and gnash your teeth at the death and destruction happening all around us; 15 teenagers killed in 48 hours in 3 senseless accidents. Kids drowning in public pools. Gun deaths daily.

SOMEBODY HAS TO DO SOMETHING!! WE'RE ALL GOING TO HELL!! PASS A LAW!! MAKE IT ILLEGAL!! STOP IT BEFORE I LOOSE MY MIND!!

It's called life. Deal with it.:wall:

 

Death is life???

And here I thought being dead was the absence of life.

 

I am waiting for them to outlaw Living.

 

Death and life are intrinsically connected. One cannot exist without the other. Except for the autotrophic organisms, life must consume life to continue to live. You cannot have life without death. And similarly, you cannot have death without life. They are two side of the same coin.

Life is death. Death exists to serve the living.

How exactly are these deaths any more a tragedy than the trillions of other deaths of every organism since the first bit of slime gained the ability to sense and react to its environment and replicate itself?

 

Most states have a legal driving age of 16. I think increasing it to 17 would help. One year older, and I think in some cases one year more mature.

 

+1

Maturity isn't a mark of age, it's a mark of character.

 

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Which was my point, SL. Life is not death. Death is not life. They are the exact opposite of one another. Life is when the switch is in the on position, in death it is turned to the off side. What exists in between is our personal existence and whatever transpires between us and other such life forms.

Their deaths are a tragedy because their loss has had such an impact to a great many people. They are every bit as important as the thousands who were killed on 9/11 or were shot by some lunatic in a school. i

Fifteen kids lost their lives for absolutely no good reason. If you fail to see the tragedy in this, then you and I operate on a totally different emotional plane.

 

With well over seven billion individual human beings on this planet, somehow I doubt a great many of them are going to be impacted by the loss of these particular 15 kids. The thousands that died during 9-11 and the subsequent war on terror are equally without value. All people that have died in all of human history, whether it be by disease, war, accident, age, murder, or suicide, are equally without any intrinsic value.
Whatever value the living give to the dead is arbitrary and ultimately hollow. Lamenting the loss of the dead is a waste of time.

By the by, I think the specific reason no one is having a hissy fit about how these kids died is related to the events leading up to their deaths. The first group was blatantly breaking the law. They died because they made a poor choice. The second group should have had a parent driving. Who the fuck trusts a 16 year old to drive safely in a car full rambunctious teenagers? The third group probably because Azrael was behind on his soul harvesting quota, but authorities are still investigating.

It's a bunch of dead kids, they died doing stupid shit. We literally have millions to replace them with.

And in closing, I think I can safely say that they did die for a good reason. Specifically, as an example to show people to not be a dumb ass.

 

Yet many seem to think that going ballistic over other senseless deaths is okay, maybe because it fits well with a political agenda?

Sorry, but I will be one who will feel a sense of loss and feel compassion for the survivors, when anyone dies needlessly.

There is a theory about accidents, Freud claimed that there are no "accidents", as I experience more of life, I tend to agree with him.

 

Free the Weed, Save a Life.

Here's something for you.
States that have legal and medical marijuana have seen traffic fatalities decline dramatically.

Comparing traffic deaths over time in states with and without medical marijuana law changes, the researchers found that fatal car wrecks dropped by 9% in states that legalized medical use — which was largely attributable to a decline in drunk driving. The researchers controlled for other factors like changes in driving laws and the number of miles driven that could affect the results.
Medical marijuana laws were not significantly linked with changes in daytime crash rates or those that didn’t involve alcohol. But the rate of fatal crashes in which a driver had consumed any alcohol dropped 12% after medical marijuana was legalized, and crashes involving high levels of alcohol consumption fell 14%.

Read more: http://healthland.time.com/2011/12/...ana-laws-reduce-traffic-deaths/#ixzz2NWH1lkdn
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