It's not that simple. All ideas are not equal nor are they equally probable. One of us has a pathway to truth that has demonstrable, repeatable and verifiable results that have a practical utility and can be applied with tangible results. The other has something that, by his own admission, can't even be defined.

You are making the claim that it comes from your creator god. You do not now get to shift the burden of proof on to me. Support and demonstrate how you know this to be true.

-S-

 

I agree with you on the finer points of god and government, obviously. However, your belief that you know what the right kind of Christian is and does is, in fact, the No True Scotsman Fallacy.

-S-

 

hahahahahhahaha

You didn't answer 1 or 4

2. NEITHER OF US HAS "demonstrable, repeatable and verifiable results that have a practical utility and can be applied with tangible results." Admit THAT!

3. Prove to me "love" doesn't come from God . . . and I'll prove to you it does.

 

Regarding numbers two and three...

Faith is a pathway to personal, spiritual truths, which some find an unnecessary, even dangerous distraction. Faith is only good for the spirit, which may not exist. In fact, I'd go so far to say that, given the evidence (or lack thereof), things like the soul, God, and every other magical mystical oogy boogy belief from thousands of years ago, is pure nonsense. Pure nonsense designed to comfort people that lived in a very frightening, impersonal, uncaring universe that they had no way of comprehending the size, scale, and scope of.
The scientific method has allowed us to throw off the "training wheels", if you will, of faith in an Almighty Being. The way people use their faith nowadays is ultimately restricting. After all, why question the deepest questions of the universe if the answer is as simple as "God (or Gods) did it", which is basically saying "A wizard did it! Get back to your turnips!".

What we call love are chemical reactions in our brain. It comes from the physical universe.

Do note that I'm paraphrasing the whole "Good Christian" thing from the Bible, which describes exactly how a "Good" Christian behaves. It also says that there is no such thing as a good Christian compared to God, but that's neither here nor there, and I think it's worth mentioning that, while it provides guidelines, it offers no examples of a living Christian behaving properly. As soon as Jesus died, the Apostles all panicked like idiots, thought Mary Magdalene was crazy when she said he had risen, and immediately started fighting amongst themselves.

 

It's a tempting theory . . . you may be right . . . and empty . . .

It's . . . empty.

 

You do all know I'm blabbing my way to "Who the fuck knows" on a porn site???

And am just looking for reasonable people to talk to . . .

Christian . . . not Evangelical.

 

What is tempting and empty?

 

It's tempting to think our actions . . . our lives . . . have no meaning . . .

we live . . . we die . . .

tah dah!

it means u have no responsibility.

And if you answer you do . . .

Than to who?

If no one . . . that's fuckin' empty.

 

Where in my post did I indicate that the lack of an Omniscient, benevolent entity gives humans free reign to behave without responsibility.

It does not. We live, we die. But while we are alive we MUST take responsibility for our every action we take. Just because God doesn't exist to judge us for our behavior doesn't mean we can behave like savages.

You have responsibility to no one but yourself, ultimately. You can behave as you want, take drugs, fuck random people, murder, rob, steal, the universe doesn't care. But doing those things will have unpleasant consequences. Or it might not.

Maybe you'll be lucky and be able to take all kinds of drugs, and your body won't suffer for it. You might not get STDs from fucking random people. Hell, the availability of condoms means you CAN fuck whoever you want without fear of disease (especially that most horrible one, babies!:excited::excited::excited. You can murder, rob, cheat, and steal, and you might not ever get caught.

We as humans have the ability to determine what we do with our lives. The ability to control our destinies, especially in the time and place we live in now, is a far greater gift than the promise of a vague paradise from a non existent entity dreamed up by frightened goat herders over five thousand years ago.

If belief in God is the only thing keeping you on an even keel well, that's just pathetic. It's childish.

 

I wasn't responding to you for one. . .

That's where you lose your point . . . WHO do you have responsibility to?

Humanity???

Don' call me childish . . . it's immature.

 

Why does individual existence require responsibility to a third party? It's an individual choice. You're life is your life, live it as you please.

 

It doesn't . . . It does . . .

I may not be right . . .

but neither may you . . .

Admit that much.

 

What is gained by my acknowledgment that I don't have every answer to life's biggest questions, like why are we here, and where are we going?

None of this matters. Tomorrow you will wake up, presumably go to work, or school, or some other place, maybe you'll stay inside or something. Life will go on.

 

for those that do belive in a singular omnipitent being please post any level of actual evidence that one does exist
for those that believe that no such omnipitent being exists please show actual evidence that one does not exist

 

At a basic level a human being is a data processing device. It has a series of sensory apparatus which feed information the brain. The rest of the body is an energy and waste management system. Human beings are glorified heat engines. They can do work because of a temperature gradient that exists. That's right, we work in the reverse manner to a refrigerator, a freezer, does work which it gets from electricity in order to produce a temperature gradient. When you are dead this doesn't happen.

These systems work based upon the laws of thermodynamics. If there is an afterlife, it violates these laws, in which case refrigerators would not function. So every time you cool your alcoholic beverages down, you are disproving the existence of an afterlife.

 

1 and 4 didn't require an answer. And yes, one of us does have those things when it comes to the nature of reality. I can make certain claims about various aspects of the universe and then demonstrate that they are true beyond a reasonable doubt. You can't do that with faith. As I pointed out yesterday, you can't even define the term adequately.

And for the last time, you can't shift the burden of proof on me because you can't support your claim. I'm not claiming that love doesn't come from a god. You are claiming that it does. Either demonstrate the veracity of the claim or don't, but I'm not going to do your work for you. Keep in mind that that which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Because you have thus far failed to meet the burden of proof for your claim that love comes from your creator god, I will dismiss it as nonsense.

This is why the believers will always lose when they have to submit to having their ideas weighed in a public forum. At it's most basic level, you're asking people to believe in magic on nothing but your say-so. I do not accept that and really, if you consider yourself a logical, rational person, you shouldn't either.

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You believe you have the correct interpretation of how a Good Christian behaves. You are claiming ultimate knowledge of a highly flawed source of which no ultimate knowledge can be obtained. You really have no authority to criticize another believer's christianness because they have biblical justifications for how their actions are acceptable, despite the fact that you find them unacceptable.

Ergo, the Scotsman Fallacy.

-S-

 

it is stupid, charity begins at home for any country, should it not? the israeli's will erase you from time if you dare speak against them. einstein was jewish, but scientists went public recently saying e does not equal mc2.

 

if god is a man or any man then that man would certainly be mentally ill. if we are all equal and these leaders preach equality, i will still have my island fortress of a mansion on jupiter island. i think god displays a significant degree of narcissm in the bible and it was darwin who said even jesus christ could have been mentally ill, however there were no such thing as pharameutical companies to sell anti-psychotic drugs or any other kind of chemical balancing drugs for the human psyche of which is deemed, "unwell".

rastafarians are religious too but yes they are in the drug trade and will put a knife in ya if ya owe dem or snitch. it is one reason why to legalise marijuana use to stop the trade from being so underground.

 

Faith

What kind of faith do I practice? Please do tell me!