I am watching the Zimmerman trail with sadness. I am sad that they will not convict this man of murder, like he deserves, and it's all due to his alleged white privilege, and the simple fact the Florida is racist as hell. I have never in all my life would see the day a black child gets killed for defending himself.

Colored people ( I am talking about blacks that post here, but others can join in too.) what do you think?

 

You do realize that Zimmerman is half Hispanic, right? He is not Caucasian. So if you want to make another thread about race again, why don't you pit the Hispanics against the African Americans, because he has no white privilege.

 

Zimmerman declared himself white, although it's clear that he's not. That's why I said alleged white man in my first post.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Hispanic_and_Latino_Americans

 

I said he is not Caucasian - which he is not.

 

You do realize that the facts of the case are looking strong enough to declare it a self defense murder, correct? Wait until the jury comes back with an answer and then start talking.

Don't even get me started on "White Hispanic." Can we be any more ridiculous when it comes to race and ethnicity?

 

The only who was defending himself was Trayvon. George profiled Trayvon, got out of his car after the 911 operator told him not, then followed him, then attacked him. Like I Trayvon was murder in cold blood for defending himself.

 

Really? Have you been keeping tabs on the evidence? All the evidence I have seen has pointed to Trayvon beating up Zimmerman after he was questioned.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with profiling someone if they have never been to your area before. The person to interject race was the 911 officer as Zimmerman never included it in his initial description of Trayvon. The operator told Zimmerman to not follow him for his own safety - Zimmerman chose to disregard that as he was armed and felt like he would be OK. There is 0 evidence as to believe Zimmerman attacked Trayvon first as those two were the only ones to really know what went on.

The bruises and blood on the back of the head and grass stains to the backside of Zimmerman's clothing indicate that he was on the defensive. Meanwhile Trayvon had grass stains on his knees. You don't have to be a crime scene investigator to see what happened there.

 

You sure don't. Guy chases down a man walking home in the dark after being instructed not to by a police officer, and starts asking him unwelcome questions about his motives; man walking home unsurprisingly feels threatened by this aggressive encounter and feels obliged to defend himself, then gets shot dead for his pains.

 

Zimmerman used the word coon. He profiled Trayvon it's that simple. Trayvon had every right to defend himself, from some dude coming at him with a gun

 

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I don't think you understand precisely what "profile" means, nor why it's a valid way to interpret data. I'm also pretty sure you fail to understand the law regarding self-defense or the circumstances in which one may assault another person preemptively.

All in all it appears that your argument is based entirely on your dislike for "white" people (and isn't that a prejudiced and weighted term) and that you don't feel that justice can be served by a trial by law.

 

Well can give me a damn good answer why,Zommerman got out of his car to follow Trayvon, when the dispatcher told him not too? Keep in mind Zimmerman is inconstistant, and the phone call records by Trayvon. Trayvon was minding his own business until some sicko killed him. Trayvon defended himself, and he got murdered for it.

 

Personaly yea i know this comes down to a matter of race. But if you take that fact away, its still murder. That man followed a young boy with the intent to kill him, and if he dident have the intent to kill him, then why follow him? My thinking is, if you get out of a car with a loaded gun and go after someone, you've already made up your mind what your going to do before you got out of that car. My heart goes out to Trayvon's family.

 

I believe Florida has the Stand your ground law. Under this law it could be argued that Zimmerman lawfully killed Trayvon. However, if that case is argued, it could be equally argued that under that law, Trayvon could have lawfully killed Zimmerman.

So instead I see this coming down to blame. Should that guy be in a gated neighbourhood, in the middle of the night, circling the area? No. Was he up to no good? Probably. Zimmerman on the other hand was told by the police not to pursue the guy, but did so anyway. Zimmerman engaged the situation while having ample opportunity to remain safe and let the police handle it.

Neither are innocent. After being instructed by the police, he should have let them handle it. Although I don't think he is guilty of Murder, he should receive some kind of punishment.

 

I partially agree with you, Miss Kitty. Even Travon's family said they did not want this case to be about race.

Plain and simple, a young man was killed. We will never know exactly what happened because only one person is alive to give HIS side of the story. We do know that a man got out of his car, legally carrying a gun, against the advise of 911, and followed a teenager who was carrying Skittles and a beverage, because he thought he looked suspicious. That's all we will ever be sure of.

 

There are many talking points to this case, which we could debate on for hours. But here are some key points that I feel are important to know before judging either Treyvon or Zimmerman.

Initially this was about justice, as stated by both parents when this was first reported on, which quickly turned to a race biased case once the 'New Black Panthers' stepped in some time later.

Treyvon is not an innocent child by far and it was ordered that his rap sheet not be included in the trial. Furthermore, if he were an innocent child just going to get skittles then why did his parents not take him, after all it was night. Kids no matter what age should not be out walking at the hours he was.

Don't forget he was wearing a hoodie which is very commonly worn by pulling over the face so that the individual cannot see them, less chance for identification. How could Zimmerman determine race if Treyvon was wearing his hoodie in this fashion. I've seen several kids across all races do this and you cannot clearly distinguish race until the hoodie is pulled off the head. Places of business do not allow kids (or adults) to be in their places of business like this (I know this first hand).

Furthermore, to state that an entire state is racist is outlandish. A state is not racist, people are. Granted Florida is in the south but it is very interracially integrated.

Note that the prosecutions witnesses are not supporting the accusations of flat out murder but testified that it appeared to be self defense. So where did Murder 2 come into play? Also, at one point an accusation came out that Treyvon was reaching for Zimmermans gun (pinned on the ground) that was secure in its holster. As I understand it Zimmermans gun was concealed in its holster (legal in FL with a permit) covered by his jacket.

But, none of us were there so all we can do is speculate.

I do not condone what happened but I do believe people should have the right to defend themselves when threatened with harm.

 

I think this is actually an excellent analysis but it lacks one crucial point. Because its the State of Florida George Zimmerman would have never even been charged with crime if this case had not received national attention. In fact he wasn't even charged until about a month after it happened and only then because of national outrage. Which I think tends to support the OPs point.

 

Exactly!

 

I find it ironic that you have the screen name black rose, when you are not black.Anyways I call bullshit. this case has everything to do with race, and those racist people of Florida. It does not matter if Trayvon was a good kids or not, he was killed in cold blood because he was BLACK