it all began we started removing God from school.....

 

you are right about that by letting you americans have gun licences.

but to be fare i don't think that the fore bares for saw military grade guns that could run off 100 rounds a time back then when writing the constitution at the time.

 

BULLSHIT! God doesn't belong in schools. I think the proliferation of violent TV and video games has desensitized kids to the real thing. They get those games and reality melted together.

 

it all began when we took God out of schools.....
wither you think he should be there or not....

 

bloody cavemen with t.v and video games are to blame for all these things that came after.

 

........Shooter goes off to find violent crime statistics...............
Ah yes, here they are!

http://www.census.gov/compendia/sta...nt_courts_prisons/crimes_and_crime_rates.html

Nope, doesn't appear to be any increase in violent crime............Huh..........in fact, it would appear violent crime has dropped, by about half.

Shooter goes off to see if anything more interesting is going on. You know, since he was gone for an entire week on vacation.

 

That bullshit is what has the world so fucked up. The all knowing all powerful man in the sky. No matter the brand you are all alike in that you think you know what's best for the rest of us. If I had my way religion of all brands in the US would be taxed just like any other huge Corporation.

 

I'm for the violent video game and lack of parental guidance theories. I'll also point out that the guns the military uses are not available to the civilian. Save guns designed before 1960 namely the M-1 Garlanded and other rifles used in WW2 and Korea this does exclude simi automatic rifles and pistols. The evil AR-15 for instance has been available since the sixties but the M-16 the fully automatic military version is not available to civilians.
I don't think the guns are to blame as as I said before they have always been there but the school shootings are new. A lot of it has to do with the attitudes of the kids nowadays.

 

You damned right,,that alone would alleviate alot of the problem in school and on the streets.


Parents need a foot in their asses as well, for allowing their deviant children to act like this, they are not interested in being parents,, they throw that responsibility on the schools, also, they want to be ''friends'' to their children, not parents.

 

when they took God and prayer out of school
the kids attitudes changed for sure.....

 

the bible says spare the rod and spoil the child.....

when God was taken out of schools I knew this would happen...

 

That certainly seems to be the time that this all got started.

Kids need to know the difference between right and wrong, these parents are a damn disgrace, not teaching that to them.

You know how many times I have heard,,'' MY KID DID NOT DO THAT""

 

Many Brits will agree that from this side of the pond, the logic for allowing so many guns in private hands SEEMS crazy, but the fact of gun related deaths PER CAPITA, kind of supports the fact that it is crazy!

CNN quotes 'America's per capita gun homicide rate in 2009 was 12 times higher than the average of Canada, Germany, Australia and Spain' (from the rest of the article, I think that implies, 12 times higher than the COMBINED number from the other countries!!

I accept the fact that Americans hold dearly, 'The right to bear arms' but with so many innocent deaths from firearms, one does have to ask about 'The right to live without fear of being shot!'

NOBODY condones the massacres in schools. We have had some ourselves here! But you have to accept, as a previous comment stated, an automatic weapon can unload a lot of lead in a painfully short space of time and I think we all shed a tear when we see innocent KIDS, gunned down, murdered, at the scene of these horrific incidents.

I am NOT saying the UK is some haven of idyllic Nirvana. I'm not saying that guns don't have their place, but it is a black and white fact that the extensive ownership of weapons has a direct correlation with the obscene number of deaths in the USA. FACTS ARE FACTS!

 

The government does not "let me have" a damn thing. The didn't create me, this ground im on, or anything on it. I have a gun because I want one, not because a bunch of rich criminals decided to let us have them. Secondly the killings in the schools and movie theaters were proven by several people to have been carried out by government agents giving the command to mentally handicapped or retarded people.

 

More from the CNN article


There are other reasons often given for gun violence – popular culture and violent video games in particular. But as this survey across the world should have shown, countries that imbibe much the same gory culture in Europe and Australia have much lower levels of violence. Japan, with its particular fascination with violent video games, is actually stunningly low in gun deaths. So whatever you think of violent video games and movies, they don't seem to be the key cause of gun violence.

And we do have an actual experiment. In the aftermath of its own Newtown-like massacre, Australia changed its gun laws. The result? Homicides and suicides plummeted in the decade that followed. Of course, like all real world problems, the link between guns and violence is a complex issue. But one rarely has so much evidence pointing in the same direction.



That finally leaves the issue of the American Constitution – the argument that the Second Amendment makes any kind of serious gun control impossible. I am not a legal historian, but I will note that many serious ones have pointed out that the Second Amendment was not invoked much for much of American history, often applied only to “well-regulated militias,” and for many decades did not stand in the way of sensible gun regulation. And the Supreme Court upheld such regulation. All that started to change in the 1970s and '80s as part of a spirited political movement to make gun rights inviolable.
As I said, I'm not a lawyer. But listen to someone who was: Warren Burger. He was Chief Justice of the Supreme Court for 17 years, a conservative Republican appointed by Richard Nixon. Here's what he said about the Second Amendment:

“This has been the subject of one of the greatest pieces of fraud, I repeat the word ‘fraud,’ on the American public by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime. Now just look at those words. There are only three lines to that amendment. A ‘well-regulated militia’ – if the militia, which was going to be the state army, was going to be well regulated, why shouldn't 16 and 17 and 18 or any other age persons be regulated in the use of arms the way an automobile is regulated…someone asked me recently if I was for or against a bill that was pending in Congress calling for five days waiting period, and I said I’m very much against it. It should be 30 days waiting period.”

But let's get away from the legal issues. Here's how I think about it. One of the most important tasks for a government is to keep its citizens – especially its children – safe, on the streets and in their schools. Every other developed country in the world is able to fulfill this basic mandate. America is not. And the greatest tragedy is that we know how to do it.

 

NO,,,NO,,,NO,,,,,,,,,,,its allowing the guns in families and households without educating on gun safety and teaching kids respect.

BULLSHIT,,, anything that comes from the bowels of CNN is untrue on many parallels.

This is a proven lie and I know that for a fact,, the numbers are not accurate and they are manipulated to the hilt.

Criminals will always have guns,,the innocent need to have them as well, and be taught gun safety.

It is unfortunate that this does happen.

It double if not tripled when the government ruled a school to be a 'gun free zone'.

This is where parents are not teaching their kids what they need to be teaching them and putting a stern foot right in their asses.

Your facts are not facts, they are manipulated studies and falsified legal reports.

 

Your government will put you in a cage if you discipline your children. The government knows best, just look at the state of the entire world at the hands of government.

 

I quoted ONE report, there are HUNDREDS!!! Are they all lies?

Do the deaths not happen?

Are ALL other governments lying about their statistics and hide massacres from the public??

How many drive by shootings are there in the USA compared to Britain? The difference is many many many times greater than the difference in population numbers!! You cant deal with the problem of guns by adding more guns!!!

I DO understand the different sentiments from different sides of the water, but you CANT say it is all lies and manipulation of numbers. Even your fellow countrymen are beginning to agree that things need to change. Don't the families of the innocently murdered have a say in your book?

 

Took away parents rights.





FUCK THE UNITED STATES FEDERAL GOVERNMENT

 

if you said UK was some nirvana i would have to say where the hell is the place as i leave in UK.

joking aside i do see the gun thing odd in away and kind of know a little of the owning of guns under the constitution, but when it was written though don't know wording of that part but i'm sure they did not write about owning guns that can unload a lot of lead in a sort time or future proofing that in to said constitution when the time came. why people in feel the need to own guns that can unload 100 round in a second.