And before they were the Rockies, the franchise was called the Kansas City Scouts. They have found a great home in NJ, in the most robust NHL media market in the world. Seriously, where else do you have 3(!) NHL teams within a couple dozen miles of each other (with a fourth just 90 miles away)?

But I suppose we're hijacking a great thread with hockey talk. So, to get back on track, did you ever have to indulge any client's hockey related fantasies? I don't know, like sex with full goalie pads on, or something??

 

This is a very interesting thread and thanks for doing it.
I admit that I have not read it completely as of yet so my question may have been asked. If so, please disregard it.

This is just a simple question. I've had my spells where I indulge in the hobby and I have had a few questions. This leads me to my question.

Did a lot of men ask you questions? What I mean is, after they finished fucking you, did they start with 20 questions like you're answering here and did you get tired of explaining why you were doing what you were doing?
I never tried to get to personal. Some women were very happy to tell their tale but I never asked.

Also, one more question if you don't mind. Why do some escorts advertise that they do not service black men? I know the myth but I find it hard to believe that most black men are too big for the average escort to handle. I'm a thick 8 inches and I have never had one complain about my size. So there has to be another reason. Do you know why some escorts will not see black men?

 

Thank you for starting this thread, it makes for quite fascinating reading.
Kimiko has a rival at last and that is perhaps the ultimate compliment here !

 

When you first started doing this, did you screen your clients and only take certain type of men or was it more of, post an ad, take anyone who walks through the door as long as they had money?

I admit that I've thought about doing this on a small scale.
I just don't think I could fuck some fat, ugly, guy. If I could only do handsome older men, I would probably go for it. I just know that isn't going to happen if I put an ad up on Craigslist. Instead it will be the opposite and I'll end up with a bunch of fat guys crawling all over me.

 

No, I was not a party girl at all. You want to talk about a very risky encounter. Lots of girls do that but not me. Was never something I would have entertained. In my private life, still on the bucket list but as a former pro, never was going to happen.

 

I just want to point out, there are a few different classes of working girls. You have the dirt cheap which usually offer a single service such as a "blow and go" and it's for guys who just want a nut and that's that. Then there are girls who offer a lot more but are what we call 3G's : Get in, get off, get out. The usually run on the lower end of cost as well and again, some guys want/like that.

Once you get beyond that, and we're talking the $200-$300 range, most of the girls will be more personable. Their menu tends to be more limited but it always depends on the girl. I've know very attractive girls who will do anal included in the cost for $200. Rare, but it happens. I've known girls who will only give you a covered blow job and ask you to pull out even with a condom on when you cum during sex for $300.

Then you have the higher end. Now some higher end girls are more "model" material and maybe didn't work up the ladder. But then you have other girls who have worked, refined their business, know their shit sexually and can legitimately command the dollar figure they ask. I'd like to think that was me. Most of the time, the $400-$500+ girls will literally leave you breathless. It's not that the cheaper girls can't but many, not all, of the upper tier escorts have a great nose for the business, have more 10-star or "best I've ever had" type reviews than necessary and just know how to connect with a client. I want to stress, most of the time it's an act. We're there for your fantasy. But the upper echelon girls can sell that fantasy and make it believable more than the cheaper girls do. Which is how we hook regulars.

We have a name for you - Captain Save A Ho! I say it tongue in cheek and not to belittle you. It's admirable and it shows empathy on your part. Maybe misguided, maybe not. It's tricky to remain friendly with an escort, especially after just one night. Remember, as I state above, she's selling you a fantasy. If she does her job right, you're still smiling to yourself 2 days later and thinking about how mind blowing it was. If she was a solid GFE and sold you on the intimacy (that was my "signature") and made you feel like it was only you and her, I don't want to burst your spell, but she did her job well with the goal of you being a repeat customer.

Now, can you connect with an escort and get past her shields? Yes and as I've stated before on here, it happened to me. How can you tell though as the client? She'll generally drop the hint if she's interested. Maybe not but more often that not, given our jobs, we're not afraid to speak up. Rejection is part of this business unfortunately but with that can come some thick skin so if she says, "yeah, let's keep in touch" then she's letting you know she is interested. However, as an escort, it's puts the girls in a difficult situation when a nice guy gets attached and then wants to start something romantic even if it is under the guise of being a friend initially. The extra emails / calls are background noise and can be distracting to the point of annoying.

This isn't me discouraging you, I'm just spelling out the two extremes. There's a lot of variation in the middle though.

I had a lot of white knights that wanted to "rescue me" from this horrific life I was clearly in. A few guys even got really possessive to the point I had to stop seeing them. One got kinda stalker-ish but I laid down the law (verbally) and he backed off when I unloaded on him and read him the riot act. He wasn't into girls that were actually pretty freaky in bed and not just for the money.

Earlier in the thread I talked about guys I connected with and did try to date. There were guys that I was friends with and 4 that to this day I am still friends with. But I want to caution you, those were not overnight friendships. They took awhile to cultivate and become something more than mixed feelings due to sex.

I had a surprising number of guys get "confused" after sex. Quite a few regulars over time would drop the "I'm falling in love with you" bomb. And I get it. I actually really do. Part of that was my fault and just being an escort. But part of that was me being me as well. I'm a very passionate and physical person. So that added to the experience and I won't lie that I sometimes found myself lost in the experience as well. I would sometimes smile and allow myself to daydream about an earlier encounter even though I was the one being paid. So it happens.

But tread lightly. It's a very gray area and never easily answered. To be honest, it's even harder to pursue and maintain. I think your efforts are noble if she really is in a not-ideal situation but at the same time, they may be misguided as she either is selling the "little girl lost" experience or is just venting for the sake of venting and you seemed like a good guy who would listen.

 

19 and I want to make a correction. In another thread, before starting this, I said I was a junior in college and that is wrong. I was a sophomore and it was near the start of my sophomore year (like 1 month in). I was just typing fast and wasn't really thinking about it.

 

not hockey, no. Plenty of cheerleader shit (and I wasn't a cheer dork, I was a real athlete), lots of stripper stuff. I did wear a Jake Plummer jersey with nothing underneath for a client. He said he liked the look of a woman in a Bronco's jersey and nothing else. I won't argue. I love how I look in a man's shirt that is oversized and kinda hangs on me.

 

Was there ever a time you especially enjoyed the sex? One particular customer was just awesome at sex?

 

Yes. Lots and lots of questions. You get numb to it after awhile and give the canned reply. "Why did you start", "were you abused", "Can I help you get out", etc. And most of us girls get it, you are curious. It's generally fine but it can get borderline creepy and with guys you'll only see once, it's not worth the effort nor is it any of their business.

There were parts of my life I was ok to talk about. There were others that were always off-limits and I had no issues making that limitation known. But a lot of people enjoy pillow talk after sex / during recovery before round 2. Myself included. I would stick to non-threatening questions like "what kind of work do you do" or "are you originally from Colorado" or something simple. Mostly it's just to maintain some semblance of comfort or lightweight personal conversation. Sometimes it's to break the awkward silence. Most guys aren't really sure how to talk to an escort.

This is a really hard one because it is largely based on stereotypes.

1. The big dick. Some girls are convinced, despite the fact that our vaginas are built for pushing out a baby which is much bigger than even the biggest human penis, that somehow a black penis will ruin them. I mean sure, any girl can have tears if the sex is rough enough but as someone who has taken a fist twice in her life (and not anymore, stretches out the lady lips too much if you do it a lot) but otherwise struggles to get more than 2 fingers in if we weren't going for the fist session, your pussy can stretch. You can take a 10" thick piece of chocolate. Anal, maybe not. Vaginal, unless there's a medical condition (shallow, narrow canal, muscle damage), it's really not a problem. Maybe he can't go balls deep since being punched in the cervix actually sucks really bad but you can take him girl. I know you can.

2. Attitude. A lot of girls feel white men are more respectful and that black men will call them "ho" or "bitch" or during sex say, "yeah, you like black cock don't you" or something along those lines. Being paid to fuck for 5 years, I can tell you that the stereotype is bullshit. At least with girls that charge $200+. Thugs, and thugs come in all colors, not just black, are going to be thugs no matter what. Thugs also would never drop $200+ to bang a girl. They'd go for the easy $20 quickie behind the Circle-K. But the stereotype remains. I only saw a few black men but they were all very respectful, generous and treated me well. Granted my sample size was significantly larger but I had more problems with white guys than anyone. Then again, white men were 80%+ of my business.

3. Pimp factor. If he's black, he's there to pimp you. It's stupid but a lot of girls are scared of that. Never even heard of it happening. Sure, lots of guys will ask girls if they would like to work for him instead. That's not a black thing. It's a pimp thing and pimps are assholes regardless of color.

4. Violence. It's assumed, yet another stereotype, that black men would be more apt to beat / rape you than a white man. I can tell you, every girl that was robbed, raped or attacked that I associated with, all by white or hispanic men. Now it's Colorado so white bread central w/ some latin flavor thrown in for a good mix. But again, a bulk of the violence that the girls shared with other girls, was white men. Again, color is bullshit here. It doesn't matter. Bad men are going to be bad and no skin color has the monopoly on that market.

Sorry I'm so blunt. Been drinking since noon today and I'm higher than a kite at the moment. There's currently no filter installed between my brain and mouth so, just sorta telling it like it is. Hopefully I wasn't too blunt.

 

I've always had some sort of screening. On day 1, I would only see guys that were in a special group on this one Internet forum in Denver. These were guys who were vetted by other girls and fairly well known. You had to get 3 OKs from girls on a certain list in order to get into this group. So that's where I initially advertised and the only guys I would see. And the screening to get in that group was hard so I leveraged the trust there.

After that, I would do real basic things. If you were approved by DateCheck or Room Service, that helped. It always made clients nervous but I would sometimes ask for personal info. You just had to. It's worse today I hear. But even back in 2004, asking someone to call their work switchboard and get xfered to their voicemail or phone made guys understandably nervous. We would also use references from other girls. Most of us were ok with that. It kept us mostly safe. Also if you had a lot of reviews AND (key operator here) you were a member of one of the two local forums and we could verify you through there, that worked as well.

But today, I would only use P411 or a service like that. If you weren't on there, I wouldn't see you.

I admit that was REALLY hard for me at first. Very early on, it was about 33/33/33, that is 33% good looking men, 33% average/background guys, 33% trolls. I tweaked my ad a bit and said YMMV but for the well groomed men who take care of themselves, a good time was assured". It's a bullshit line, I won't even try to deny it. But it was true. And when I did that, the scales tipped to almost 2/3 of my clients were men you could consider attractive or cure with most of the rest just being average everyday guys. They weren't all Brad Pitt but they weren't Chris Farley either. And some guys had guts but after my 3rd or 4th month, I honestly don't think I ever got a morbidly obese man again. However...I'm gonna pull the Colorado card again. We're the healthiest state by far. We have a much lower % of grossly overweight people than other states. So it's not fair to say the same if you worked, say, Houston or New York or Chicago.

Also, if you think about pursuing this path, PM me, please! I want to help you avoid the pitfalls that are easy to run into. I'd love to have you bounce ideas off of me and point you in the right direction. And I'll start with CL. It's far too risky not to mention there's no more adult section and in the personals, if a girl even remotely hits at sex even if it isn't for sale, it's flagged and removed ASAP. Backpage is "better" but by better I mean the difference between slicing off you finger at the 2nd knuckle vs at the 1st knuckle.

If you are in a major city, most have an escort-focused forum with advertising. Again, using Denver (The Other Board), San Fran (My RedBook) or Dallas (ECCIE) as examples, there are some good outlets where you can get better exposure to more legit guys and less time wasting that Backpage can bring.

 

I mentioned it before but can't hurt to talk about it again: I enjoyed the sex more often than not. Early on I was just so excited by the whole prospect and probably lost myself a bit too much. I was already very promiscuous before doing this. I wish I was kidding (not really) but I had been through 50-60 guys by the time I left high school. My freshman year in college, I'm pretty sure I fucked my way through two fraternities and a few lines of the ice hockey team. I was not shy at all about getting laid.

So sex with strangers was already really exciting. I loved it. The not-attractive guy part put a damper on it but the good looking guys, yeah, I enjoyed it. But that was lust. There was something that went beyond lust but I won't call love with long term clients. And I won't lie, I enjoyed those guys. They knew what I liked, I knew what they liked, there were no assumptions and no unrealistic expectations. I was the fantasy and the effort they put into that fantasy often ended up being a more than good time for me.

I would say that in excess of 50% but not quite 2/3 of the sex I had with clients was good. I had a lot of mediocre sex which made up a bulk of the rest of that %. I would say the truly horrific sex was less than 5%. As an escort, I actually loved guys that were premature. Sorry, cruel but yeah it was less work for me. I mean they would want to go again but if you've ever seen American Pie on the Jason Biggs scene, that happened. Maybe not as dramatic but I've had guys cum in 30 seconds, rest for 5-10 minutes and then cum again in a minute or so on round 2. I digress and allow the weed to make me go off on a tangent, lol, that was not bad.

Bad sex was that where you were sore and not in a good way, that it was just awkward and clumsy, that you feel you fucked up bad and somehow didn't meet his needs (assuming they were reasonable of course), etc. When you have to tell a guy to tone it down or change his attitude, that puts a damper on it. Sorry, I'm not going to refer to myself as "daddy's good little slut". That's just not me. But yeah, that kills the mood and makes the sex kinda bad. That was rare though. Even the inexperienced were fun because they were willing to learn and took instruction well.

 

I want to add one more to this, and it's the weed talking, there was this one guy who was able to keep me in a near continuous orgasm for 40+ minutes. I had to beg him to stop because it was starting to hurt. I was over the moon the whole time and it was so amazingly intense but being kept there after a bit got surreal and then a bit panic inducing. Then my uterus asked for a timeout and it got sore.

But yeah, sex with him as amazing. There wasn't a lot off limits with him because it was so great. He knew how to really work my ass too. God he was an absolute master of getting me off that way. His rim jobs were unparalleled to any other I've ever had since and I could cum from anal alone, no clit or nipple play, with him. He just...whew, it's getting warm in here. He was something else. He was crowed pussy eating king by a lot of girls too. We didn't exchange much info on clients, we took the privacy thing somewhat serious unless the guy was high risk. But this guy, he got his session info passed around. I'm just glad he fixated on me for 6 months. I couldn't work for a day or two after him and I was 100% ok with it. It was that fucking good.

 

Girls

I'm sorry if this was asked before and I missed it. Was you ever paid by a female customer for sex? If so how was it? If that never happened in your professional life, did you ever experience it in your personal life? I know this sounds pervey, but I'm a guy.

 

Never was paid by a woman. Yes I have been with women in my person life. I've had two "lesbian" relationships of about 3-4 months in length. I'm bisexual w/o a question but I much prefer a man for my main course. I've done plenty of duos with other girls when I was a pro though. Naturally, lots of guys wanted to check that fantasy off of the list and there were a handful of girls I really enjoyed working with so it was usually a great show for everyone.

 

Great answer! Thanks for the response.

 

Thanks for your answer! Lol, I'm not trying to save her, that's for sure. I don't have anything to offer her when she gets out of the business. I just, in some way, want to follow up on her and see whether she can get herself out to pursue her longer term goals. Maybe in a similar way as you did, escorting to pay your tuition... She's smart enough to do that, she's just pretty unlucky in her life (losing both her parents and needed to take care of her sister, years before she started this). That in combination with the exuberant costs for higher education in this country, and the almost close-to-none support for people in her situation, makes she is where she is right now. Coming myself from another country where everything is a lot more moderate, I see what she's wasting in her life right now, and that just because of the system!

Did she just use me to vent her heart, maybe. I'm living 1000 miles away, so yeah, I might not be on her doorstep every day/week... Did she perform a good job as is expected from her? Hell yes, she drew the intimacy card and left me behind with a big smile for a few days... Was it just her doing her job, and nothing more, I can't tell... Was it in the intent to have a repeat customer, well, I doubt it. She knew I'm living far away and I don't go to her area a lot (once a year, maximum).

Anyhow, she admitted she was pretty lonely, didn't have good friends to talk to and that's maybe the point I could fill a void, even 1000 mi away (and to fill a void for myself too). But yes, I may be too good for this girl, maybe she "used" me just as I "used" her, strictly speaking.

Do I want to hear from her again, just for some chat (or some deeply philosophical conversations, lol)? Yes. Is there love involved? That's a hard one to answer. Sure there was chemistry and compatibility, so it's hard to drop someone who fits you (or does her best to fit you). But if there's love involved, the situation gets really odd and that's not what I need. For now (I tell myself), I'm just trying to be one of these good friends she needs, giving her opinions from a different point of view in life, hoping she gets her life on a track she deserves.

 

What were the biggest and smallest penises you had as a worker? Was there anything like huge pornstar big and then inversely incredibly small?

 

The biggest I ever saw was probably in the neighborhood of 10-11". I didn't have my ruler out so I'm just guessing but I was very familiar with one 9" penis in particular and this beast was significantly larger than the 9" one I sometimes enjoyed. To be honest, a cock that large was very uncomfortable. It would easily hit my cervix and that was never a pleasant feeling. The owner of that penis didn't have significant girth but he was still bigger around than a quarter (which is what most guys were, about the diameter of a quarter). We tried a lot of positions but nothing really worked. In cowgirl I had to put a lot of stress on my knees / thighs to control the depth. In doggy he would just push too deep. We ended up doing reverse cowgirl because I could best control depth and speed (harder for him to thrust in that position) and got him to cum rather easily that way because it's a visual treat for me. That was not a good encounter for me though. I was very sore after.

Most of the guys I saw were average and the range was mostly in the 5" to 7" range. I've had quite a few in the 8" and 9" range, that's the borderline of my personal comfort zone where as a 7.5" cock with a girth a little less than a half-dollar coin is just about perfect for everything (oral, anal, vaginal).

On the flip side, I've been with quite a few men that had very small cocks. Even seemingly normal, fit guys would have a small dick from time to time. I learned very early on to not fake it with bullshit like "oh baby, you're tearing me in two" or "mmm, I love you filling me up like that" because they know better. Instead I'd find positions that allowed for deeper penetration for them (on my back, ankles near my ears worked as did cowgirl / reverse cowgirl and then face-to-face straddling him) and made sure to work them a bit harder. They were usually the best at foreplay though. They knew where their strengths lied and played up to them.

But I would say the smallest was in the 3" to 4" range (at best). Obviously anal was pretty easy for these guys as well so I generally had no problem surprising them with that little treat.

 

Thanks for the earlier answers.

If I can add another couple of questions:

Did a client ever request to film the action and if so what did you say/do?

And only loosely connected to your escorting life experience, are you good at spotting whether women in porn are enjoying themselves or are faking it?