Apologies if this has been asked previously, but did you ever get hired by another solo woman?

 

I did have a reputation in school but i wasn't a salacious one. I'm sure some guys said I was easy and I was and I'm sure the hypocrites said I was a slut even though they were just as promiscuous as I was. But the fact is, if I liked you and I felt that I could trust you and that we would have a good time, it really wasn't much of an effort to go to bed with me. More often than not I was the aggressor and made it perfectly clear that I wanted to have sex. To be fair, I didn't have many one nighters back then as I have now. I'd "date" a boy for 2 or 3 weeks but during that time I was pretty open to sex right off the bat.

I only had a handful of what I would call otherwise random / no-strings encounters in high school. Boys couldn't be crude or crass if they expected to hook up, I did have standards on their behavior and how they treated me but beyond that, sex was just another activity for me. I've heard it said before that female athletes tend to have much higher sex drives but I've never seen a definitive study on the subject. That said, I earned 10 varsity letters for various sports including volleyball, basketball, soccer and track over my four years and more JV letters as well so if there is any truth to that, I think we have some correlation there.

 

It has and I was not.

 

I have a question. If given a choice in the matter which is preferable: a guy who wants to talk first, get to know you a little, make things friendlier, or a guy who is pretty much let me put my tab a into your slot b so you can get paid and get out of here?

 

Both, just depends on the guy. For people I met for the first time, I'd spend 5-10 minutes to get to know a little about them plus it always helped to calm them down and for everyone to relax. For people that I had seen quite a few times, I was fine with a furious quickie for round one and then pillow talk / catching up while he recovered.

However, there were some guys that I wouldn't be too keen on, I was there only for the money, I'd do my best to make them cum quickly and send them on their way. Granted, they paid for an hour or two so they would get that full time but some guys, after they came, just wanted to go and in those cases, I was 100% fine with it.

 

Great read. I'd going to kill my guidance counselor at my next high school reunion.

Is there a market for Male escorts or a demand for them much as the demand for female escorts?

 

Don't kill anyone, that's not very nice.

Not really. Many male escorts are on the gay side of the house. I had mentioned it earlier but male escorts that cater to women are MUCH different than female escorts for men. First off, you have to have impeccable looks. Second, you have to be ready for almost any social situation. Women don't rent men for just sex. They actually want a companion for an event. See the movie "The Wedding Date" for a Hollywood spin on male escorting (with the Pretty Woman twist, totally not how it works) but the movie starts out with getting quite a few of the facts right on what it takes to be a male escort and what they are hired for.

Otherwise, expect to be some curious businessman's fantasy. Straight up gay men wouldn't hire you because after my years of exposure to the gay community as being a f-hag, they don't need escorts. They just need to wear assless chaps and say hi to the nearest guy they meet at a club and loads are then exchanged.

 

GREAT THREAD, EroticaLady!

Hi EL, in Colorado (like me)!

YOU say you used to strip for about four months?

I'm advising a teen about going into this career - care to start a new thread about your experiences stripping?

She's petite, well trained in dance, loves male attention, very curious and growing up fast, sexually! - she wants to be ready for it when she can get the job in a year's time.

Book? Blog's? General advice? (PM please, if you have helpful locally targeted advice for me to pass along.)

THANKS!

 

I deeply agree! Nearly all men a very simply. "What do women want?" THE infamous Freudian question? That's often much more complicated.

To follow on Dr "House, MDs" insights - about one-third of us a deeply damaged, emotionally, maybe one-third partly so, and one-third, lucky.

The latter have an outward happiness - those in the middle can find a serviceable one, the the first - the unlucky among us - simply have to struggle for whatever happiness one can find.

-Orson
PS Since you describe yourself in your PROFILE as "hypersexual," you might be interested in the book I'm working on, "Insatiable: Understanding The High-Sexed Woman."

Since only a half-dozen causes might be said to be "known," and mush remains unknown, the core of the book is composed interviews. I'm interested in finding hypersexual woman like you who've had to make life and lifestyle adjustments in order to manage their exceptional levels of desire and need for sex.
Please drop me a message with your email, if you're interested in contributing to my project. Your input would be most valuable! Thanks, again.

 

Honestly, I'm not convinced I need a separate thread for stripping. Let me give you the rundown here:

When I was a freshman in college, I started working at the Mile High Saloon because PT's allowed 18 y/o girls at the time. It's now the Penthouse Club behind Shotguns. I did it as a way for extra money (duh!) but I admit I liked the attention. That being said, stripping was dehumanizing, demoralizing, grossly competitive, very stressful and took a toll on me physically and this despite the fact that I was (and still am) extremely fit and athletic. Honestly, I would rather talk a girl into escorting and whoring herself than I would stripping.

Where to begin...At first, especially being 18, I got a lot of attention. And it was fun. But after the sheen wore off and I became more aware of my environment, you had to realize that men were routinely drunk and rarely respected boundaries. By the letter of the law, Colorado is a "no touching" state other than outer thighs, back and midriff. I appreciate that some girls allow some tit play or maybe some fingering and in the VIP maybe even sex but by law, that's not allowed. A hypocrite given that I was a whore, yes, but while stripping I tended to play it straight. That being said, i was groped, felt up, ass smacked (not in a good way), hair pulled, talked down to and treated like shit worse in the 4 months of stripping than 5 years of escorting combined. And that's just the drunk guys.

Then you had the high rollers that thought they could buy you. I was "purchased" off the floor this one time, meaning I was taken out of rotation from the main stage and dedicated to a single party, and the guys thought they owned me. Now this wasn't an isolated incident because it happens often. They barked orders to me, tried to take a great number of liberties with me physically, were extremely handsy and didn't respect me or my limits. I gave them my cut of the money back and left. I also left that club that same night when the manager didn't have my back. For them, the girls are equivalent to cattle.

Which brings me to my next rant: the house charges the girls a flat fee to dance and they take a % of our tips depending on the night, seniority and experience. I was losing 40% of my tips (that which I didn't hide) between the house cut and the requirement that we, the girls, tip the bouncers, DJ and bartenders. Don't get me wrong, I still made out well but it's not a good feeling doing all the dancing, putting up with all the shitheads, being rejected by guys for dances (talk about an ego killer) and so on and then losing your money to the house at the night's end.

Then there are the bitches. I don't use the c-word often but most strippers are cunts. Fucking whore cunts. They are catty, they are childish, they are bitches, thieves, scam artists, etc. Girls are extremely territorial. I saw fights break out at the Diamond and Shotguns between girls because some new girl or off-night girl danced for a regular of another girl. Girls will try to sabotage you because if you're not taking some mark's money, they can. Girls will cozy up to (aka suck the dicks / sleep with) the manager or DJ or bouncer as a way to influence them against you and/or get preferential treatment. In my opinion, even as a whore for 5 years, they're much lower than pond scum. Drugs were also rampant with the girls. I'm not saying drugs aren't a problem in the world of prostitute, they absolutely are. But I was independent. I didn't have to be around it (despite the fact that I did use on rare occasions in my personal life but completely unrelated to my job and never ever on the job) and didn't take clients that were visibly altered. There was a lot of coke. There was a lot of meth. The stripping culture is a magnet for that shit. Coke I can live with. I indulge myself 4-6 times a year on that. Meth...fuck that. Sure, you get the energy and lower the inhibitions (tried it twice, never again) but as a way to do your job? Might as well just go hang yourself now and save everyone the trouble.

Then there's the hustle. Stripping ultimately is all about the hustle. First you have to roam the room, looking for the lonely guy or the guy who looks like he'll party. Then you have to coax him into a dance. As narcissistic as it sounds (but a very few select folks here have seen my old escorting photos so they can vouch for me if they choose) I was/am hot. Sorry, bitchy thing to say but I looked / still look good. Yet I would routinely get shot down for dances. At 18, no gravity effects, toned, athletic, blonde/blue, etc and pretty much having my way with men otherwise, getting shot down is a punch to the lady nuts. Then when you did get a dance, you had to keep them there. You had to make them believe you wanted them. You had to sell yourself without selling yourself. You had to employ so many deceitful tricks to keep a guy there but thankfully men are simple creatures so talking about their cock or how you wanted them or how turned on you were usually worked but unlike my days as an escort, it was all a lie. I hated it. I felt dirty doing it. You made them believe but they never once had a chance.

Some guys were ok with that but a surprising number of guys thought strippers were girlfriend material. It's actually very sad. At least escorting was a very honest business. It was sex for money. Period. Get in, get off, get out. Not so much with stripping. I did not like it. I know girls who did like it but I'd argue that most hated it. The long hours. The amount of work (trust me, stripping was extremely physically demanding). The nature of the business. Fuck that. I sometimes actually want to go back to being an escort on an extremely limited basis because I did have a good time with it. I absolutely would never want to be a stripper again. I'd rather clean the tanks on RV's after a week long trip with folks sick from some gastro-intestinal bug and sprayed liquid shit for 7 days straight than I would be a stripper again.

Tell your underaged friend to find a different job.

 

I hope you will not take my response as merely rationalizing you opinion away. Many others feel like you - the environment is too stressful and competitive, the company too catty and vile, and the drug hazards too tempting, verging on rewarding self-abuse. And the managerial environment exploitation: "the girls are equivalent to cattle."

Who want's that kick in the balls? So why do some recommend it, unlike you?

My guess is that being beautiful and tall worked against your success. (Mind you, most of my LTRs have been with Amazon tall woman - from 5'9" to 6'1" - and thus similar to your height - 5'10." And almost all of them have had issues with the burden of towering over most men and literally 'looked up to' - often needing to feel dependent towards a man in order to feel truly feminine. All of which I easily empathize with because I'm a 6'4" man, and athletic to boot.)

The stripper succeeds in separating a customer from his money by trading personal time and nearly nude attention by inducing a hypnotic projection. The customer sees himself as the play-thing of the desired, beautiful object, or vice versa. The better the induction, the more reliably and willingly the customer pays.

My claim is this - it's simply a fact of nature that if a woman is close to average height - or shorter and 'cuddlier '- doing so is markedly easier that if she is taller than the customer and more intimidating for him to accept.

My wanna-be stripper friend is 'XS' - a mere 90 pounds nothing and 4'11" - and thus doesn't face your hurdles when faced with a random assortment of horny, drinking men, willing to fork over cold cash to gaze more closely.

By contrast, with escorting, especially when facilitated privately and selectively online, a much greater degree of self-selection goes one before negotiating any 'sex working' exchange of time for money. Therefore your beauty and pleasures have indeed been much better served in that venue than by stripping.

Now - I hope I'm not seen as dismissing your many firm warnings. But I see my teenaged petite friend as a natural stripping talent, together with classic daddy issues (i.e., no known daddy at all, no sibling help or rivalry at home, just her mom). Therefore she thrives on the simplest of male attentions! Being short, too short to even cheerlead in HS, she feels very much overlooked in life.

She can't wait to jump onto ultra-high platform heels and grab attention as simply an averagely heighten young beautiful female! - one eager to strut, dance, and flaunt her God-given desirability to horny older men.

In brief, her socio-emotional and even erotic needs in her young life are very much the compliment of the one's you faced at 18 years-old. Her's are often very typical - indeed stereotypically - met through erotic stripping. The dynamics and protections offered through that job are far more congruent with her assets.

Again, by contrast, given your intimidating height and athleticism - which is naturally attractive to roughly 10% (at most) of all men - finding a niche venue with greater control of the workplace variables and terms of service meant that you were unlikely to find satisfaction stripping before a random assortment of horny men. Again - opposite to my friend's circumstances.

But this is just my opinion. Time will tell because "time wounds all heels."

 

EL - my reply truly turns on an intuition I've had since I was a teenager: when a woman stands taller than 95% men, the feminine ego needs flowering over sexual and romantic attraction are very different from a woman at the other end of the bell curve in life.

This seems a naturally important subject to throughly suss out by social psychologist. Every few to several years, when I lived in Boulder, CO, I'd do a literature check at the University.

I try and tout this crying practical need to understand these 'facts of life,' and well as a rich vein to fill the scholarly gap to friends in. (For many years during the 1990s, the University of Colorado had no one to teach social psychology.) In fact, one of my LTRs was an impressive 6 foot tall strawberry blonde doing her PsyD in counseling psych at the University of Denver - yet the work never gets done!

At any rate, I'm simply vetting my frustration at the dominance of extreme "feminist" environmental determinism in social science to trump natural facts as they bear on real, existing human lives and their romantic (and sexual) happiness.

Relatedly, on the topic of being tall and young today - and probably more so in Colorado (for unknown reasons) - my fellow tall buds tell me that tall females do not seek out tall males any more. They don't expect to meet them.

A buddy of mine's folks are both close to or over six feet tall, as is one of his sisters, and he is 6'5" - and most of the Amazon tall females he knows have settled for shorter men. (His sister is very frustrated about being 25 years old, college degreed, single - and unhappy because so rarely, if ever, finding a tall man to date.

The upshot is this - what's going on, generationally? I've been active in tall social clubs for time to time throughout my life, and just SEEING people locally confirms my 29 year old buds claim. it was not this way when I was his age.

EL, can you confirm or deny this? If true, do you have any ideas why this might be?

 

Hi EroticaLady, this is a fascinating thread, and thank you for the time you have taken to answer all of the questions. I'm curious as to the average age of your clients. I am 31 and am thinking of hiring a call girl to indulge some sexual desires that are a little harder to come by (Russian, Greek) in everyday sexual encounters. I am wondering if you would ever get younger clients, or if they were mostly middle-aged?

Apologies if that has been asked before, it's a long thread!

 

My height, I seriously doubt, had any negative impact on my dancing. If anything, being tall garnered me significantly more attention due to my legs and I had the added bonus that I didn't need 4"+ heels to accent my look. I had problems with the other girls because when I did work, I did take their regulars and danced for them. Those guys sought me out. When I would dance and work the pole, I did a very leggy show, a lot of slides using just my legs, wrapping them around the pole, doing the whole seductive dance to make a guy imagine that it was him I was wrapping my legs around. Trust me, being tall was a massive asset when I was dancing. That was never my problem.

My problem is that stripping is a worse meat market than high end escorting. I won't pretend that prostitution is a wonderful career choice. I got lucky, I had a good run but I also didn't go to it as a last resort or as a point of desperation. I had a plan and I eased into it, learning the ropes courtesy of a friend before going in head first myself and on my own. But even then, and you point it out, I controlled my own destiny whereas as a stripper, I was at the whims of the manager, the DJ, the bouncer and ultimately the customers. And I can tell you w/o hesitation that strip club patrons while at the strip club are generally very bad individuals. Yes, there were nice and respectful guys there. There were guys that just wanted to watch a topless girl shake her assets while enjoying a beer (which was another problem, freeloaders...). But a majority of guys would always try to push things in the dance area, especially the VIP. They would say some awful things. They would offer up all sorts of party favors too.

Which is why I have real concern for your little friend. If she already has daddy issues, stripping is just about the worst thing she can do. She'll end up dancing for some salt and pepper haired smooth talking businessman who offers to "take care of her" but it comes with a ton of strings attached. She'll get caught up in it and before she knows it she's in deep and things can and usually will spiral out of control. Maybe not but that is the usual happening of things.

She's going to be presented with men who will offer her a little coke, maybe some ice/tina, maybe some molly/ex. And that will lower her inhibitions even further. Then the wrong guy will maybe invite her home or throw a little bit of cash her way and let's be honest, in the sex industry sex is the lubricant that gets women wet. I can talk about how much I did like some of my clients while escorting and I truly did. I made some great connections and friendships, some that have lasted through today. But ultimately it was about money. It was great fucking money. But I didn't have any moral issues or trepidation prostituting myself. I was already sleeping around, why not get paid for it and have fun while doing so? Will your little friend fell the same? She's ripe for such a setup and honestly, stripping is about the 2nd worst thing she could do with the other being street walking.

Stripping is a revolving door. They invite you in, make it look so fun, chew you up and then spit you out. A vast majority of girls, myself included, don't make it 6 months dancing. It is a meat grinder. It beats you down. Having sex with a stranger and having him make some comments is one thing. He'll be done and gone in 5 minutes (and thankfully it was rare for me and I credit my advertising and marketing for bringing in a different class of client). But when you're dancing, after that asshole you end up with another. If I danced with 20-25 guys in a night, I would venture to say that maybe 2-3 of them were even remotely "good/nice guys". The rest were jerks, pigs or outright sociopaths.

Don't take this as man hating. Far from it. Believe it or not, escorting made me really appreciate men whereas dancing actually did make me hate men. I went through a phase while dancing where I was 100% lesbian because I was so turned off to men then.

Her size will absolutely be appealing. I won't argue that. She'll sell the fantasy of a little spinner who might say, "ohh daddy, you're so big" and guys get off hard on that. I get it. But it also puts her at a bigger risk of being taken advantage of, of being manhandled and so on. At 5'10" and toned / athletic, not too many people will fuck with me. Odds just aren't usually in their favor. But in her case, she's a rag doll waiting to be thrown around. I just think it is bad advice. But it's her life. When she turns 18 she can do what she will but if it were me, I'd steer her in a much healthier direction especially given her lack of a father figure and the sex industry is notorious for abusing and discarding women like that.

 

First off your friends are either doing something horribly wrong or they're at the wrong place. I have a close knit group of 5 other girlfriends. One is short at 5'5" but the rest range in 5'9" to 6'1" and we have zero issued being approached. Zero. Granted, given we're all tall, fit, confident and successful women. Men like that or so we've found. I can't remember the last time I hooked up with a man shorter than me though. I have a type. I'm hardcore into mountain biking for example. Most of the men I sleep with tend to be extremely well fit, athletic, business professionals that are groomed, educated as well as tall. I have zero issues approaching a guy in a bar. Once upon a time that was a turnoff but in this decade, it's actually a plus. But when I approach a guy, he's generally going to be tall, takes care of himself and doesn't appear to be one living off of mom and dad (i.e. he's got a career, he's got his shit together). While my sample size is only my immediate circle, my girlfriends are pretty similar. Even my casual sex partners are all tall, fit, athletic men. But finding tall men is never a problem. Even at 5'10" I find plenty of men who are tall that I'll gravitate to.

As to your other premise, you're way off. You come off as indicating that taller women somehow have a more fragile ego and we need it tended to and stroked more. Nothing further could be from the truth. I have never needed a man to complete me. I don't lack a positive male relationship in my life. I have my twin brother, a wonderful father and a select group of male friends that gives me all the male companionship I need. I don't need guys showering me with affection to feel complete.

I don't know any other way to read your comments but your attempt at intellectualism comes off as very condescending to be honest. Perhaps that isn't your intent but it sure rubs off that way.

 

Most of my clients were mid 30s to mid 40s. I'd say the "norm" was 35 to 50ish. I actually had in my ad that I preferred mature gentlemen as clients. That said, I had a few late 20-somethings and early 30-somethings for exactly what you want, titty fucks (well not me, I was the wrong girl for those) and giving anal a try among other activities. And that was fine. There's actually a lot of guys in that boat in your age group.

I think, however, those guys tend to go for more of the mid-tier priced girls. It's simple economics. Most guys turning 30 don't have the career options to pay $500/hour for sex. That's not a diss, that's just a fact of life. Once guys got closer to 40 and were much more career established, that kind of money was easier to hide from the wife and wasn't nearly the drain on the monthly budget.

Keep in mind, greek is still a limited option. I'm sure you know that. Just looking at Denver the other day, it appears only a handful of girls do it although looking on Redbook, seems that San Fran is chock full of girls offering it. But still, that one is always in high demand yet low supply. Russian on the other hand, that's pretty much a staple. I did wish I had bigger boobs to offer that one but being tall and lean worked against me in the breast department.

 

Orson2, let me give you an example of what my social group gravitates towards and I'll show you why your approach doesn't fit my immediate circle:

https://forum.xnxx.com/showthread.php?t=379623

Eric Decker. Brady Quinn. Virginal Tim Tebow. Peyton Fucking Manning whom I would totally carry his love child and raise it as my own. Gerard Butler. Ryan Gosling. Ryan Reynolds. Liam and Chris Hemsworth. And so on. Oh and Blake Shelton. You know that man would take charge in the sack. Swoon and sploosh...

All tall. All athletic. All capable of making a woman ovulate on command just by looking at her. And having been one of those groupies at the start of the NFL season, I can tell you that there are literally hundreds of eligible (hell, often even married) women at Broncos practice in the late summer all swooning when Eric Decker is running w/o his shirt on. I'm pretty sure there wasn't a dry pair of panties for miles 3 years ago when Tebow, Quinn and Decker were running around topless during practice during those hot summer days. Sweat beading down their chests. Flashing those white pearly smiles. Hair a little ruffled from running and perhaps a light breeze. Calves all tight, thighs all bulging. Speaking of panties not being dry...

So you can't tell me girls aren't gravitating towards taller men. I'm sorry but even outside my immediate social circle, while I see women being more accepting of shorter men, most women still tend to go for guys taller than them and even as a taller woman, I have no issues finding guys my height or taller and yes I do prefer them as that is what I'm attracted to. Any given night out I don't seem to have problems finding them.

So again, I disagree with your premise that women have either given up on tall guys or just don't care. Especially in Colorado. There is no shortage of tall, fit, educated and successful men. It is Men-ver after all (referring to the disproportional number of single men to single women).

 

Erotic Lady this is still a great thread.

Did you ever bump into any of your married regulars in social setting like a restaurant, bar or club? How did you handle it if they were with their wives?

thinskin

 

having been with 2 escorts, i am curious, do you orgasm during sex with clients?

also do you prefer clients of a certain age bracket? how are the late 20s vs the 30s+

and about body image? how do you feel about a client when you see them with body acne or some other skin condition that isnt noticeable on until the clothes come off?

 

A few times but whore's code, don't even acknowledge them and keep walking. If they're there with their wife or GF or kids or whatnot, they're probably 10x more freaked about any possible encounter than I would be. But I did see a handful of clients just randomly out in public but I didn't say hi to them, didn't keep staring at them to get an acknowledgement or anything. I saw them and I kept my discretion.