Define "basically".

Do you mean that he correctly identified the US as the major culprit in causing global warming?

Because, it turns out not to be true on several fronts. The most important is that global warming is not the problem, but overall climate change is. Al didn't get that memo, he also didn't get the memo that the US has not increased CO2 emissions in 20 years, but that Asia, who he thought deserved a break has increases 5 fold in the same 20 years.

Al wasn't correct, even basically, but he sure reaped the benefits of the hysteria that he caused.

 

you can't blame people for being sceptical ,

if you look at things honestly and analise what they actually say.

For example;
lets look at this, about the Pine Island glacier'
[I shall highlight some interesting words in red , and add my thaughts in yellow]

By Ari Phillips on January 13, 2014 at 5:01 pm

One of the latest indicators that climate change is progressing whether we’re looking or not comes from a study in the journal Nature Climate Change finding that one of the largest glaciers in Antarctica has started melting irreversibly.
An international team of researchers found that Antarctica’s Pine Island Glacier, the single largest Antarctic contributor to sea-level rise, could add as much as one centimeter to ocean levels within the next 20 years.
The glacier “has started a phase of self-sustained retreat and will irreversibly continue its decline,” Gael Durand, a glaciologist with France’s Grenoble Alps University, told Australian Broadcasting Corporation.
So , this glacier will without doubt continue to melt untill it is all gone , and there will never be a glacier there ever again. That is what irreversible means.
Um , how the hell can they/he know that ?
What will happen if/when we have another ice age ?
The team of researchers used state-of-the-art ice-flow models [well of course we all knowjust how accurate and reliable these 'models' are] and field observations to help determine how the glacier’s ice flows will change in coming years.
“At the Pine Island Glacier we have seen that not only is more ice flowing from the glacier into the ocean, but it’s also flowing faster across the grounding line — the boundary between the grounded ice and the floating ice,” Dr. G. Hilmar Gudmundsson, a researcher on the project, told Planet Earth Magazine.
The glaciologists found that that glacier’s grounding line, which has already receded up to 10 kilometers this century, is “probably engaged in an unstable 40-kilometer retreat.”
Pine Island Glacier is one of the main avenues for ice to flow from Antarctica into the ocean. As the tip of the glacier melts and thins, the glacier is discharging more ice into the sea. The glacier has been losing about 20 billion tonnes of ice a year for the last two decades, but scientists see this rising to 100 billion tonnes a year in the coming decades. Why ? Based on exactly what ?

Pine Island Glacier accounts for about one-fourth of the total ice melt from the West Antarctic Ice Sheet. If the entire West Antarctic Ice Sheet retreated it could cause sea level to rise by more than 10 feet. The entire Antarctic Ice Sheet, covering an area bigger than the continental U.S., contains nine-tenths of the ice on Earth and could raise sea level by over 200 feet if it melted.
Understanding how climate change causes glaciers to melt and thus sea level to rise is an important part of future climate modeling and planning.
According to the latest research, Antarctic ice melt has caused global sea level to rise by about 0.02 centimeters a year for the last 20 years.
So that is two hundreths of a centimertwr peryear.
That would amount to two centimeters in 100yrs ,
IF it continues consistantly and continually . But , , , it never has.

Last year’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report stated that there was “high confidence that ice shelves around the Antarctic peninsula continue a long-term trend of retreat and partial collapse that began decades ago.”
Another recent study found that attributing the eroding of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet to simple and steady ocean warming is too straightforward, and that depletion of Antarctic glaciers is more susceptible to climate variability over a wide range of time scales.
“These new results show that how much melt the Antarctic ice sheet experiences can be highly dependent on climatic conditions occurring elsewhere on the planet,” study co-author Eric Steig, a University of Washington professor of earth and space sciences, said.
Researchers found that melting ice flows from glaciers in the West Antarctic Ice Sheet decreased by half between 2010 and 2012. They believe this unexpected phenomenon can be attributed to ocean cooling caused by winds associated with a La Niña event that led to less warm water flowing into the area. IF these conditions continued, the edge of the Pine Island Glacier could even start to rebuild.
BuT BUT BUT , just up there /\ you stated the melt/retreat IS IRREVERSIBLE. That means it can not rebuild.
you can't have it both ways and still be credible.
— however this is unlikely.WHY ?“2012 was probably just a rare event,”WHY ? Steig said. “I expect that a return visit to Pine Island area would find conditions much more similar to those observed in earlier years.”


So , when you analise what he actually says , it seems that this is in fact just an opinion of what he thinks could or might , or probably will happen.
My guess is , only time [and lots of it] will tell if his guess is any good.

 

the only way for anyone or any group of people to say what will happen for certain is to sit on their asses while it happens and wait until they are proven right or wrong and either say i told you so or i fucked up

 

Oh dear , , how confuising

Antarctic ice shelf melt 'lowest EVER recorded, global warming is NOT eroding it' Human CO2 just not a big deal at Pine Island Glacier

By Lewis Page, " 3rd January 2014"


Scientists at the British Antarctic Survey say that the melting of the Pine Island Glacier ice shelf in Antarctica has suddenly slowed right down in the last few years, confirming earlier research which suggested that the shelf's melt does not result from human-driven global warming.
The Pine Island Glacier in West Antarctica and its associated sea ice shelf is closely watched: this is because unlike most of the sea ice around the austral continent, its melt rate has seemed to be accelerating quickly since scientists first began seriously studying it in the 1990s.

Many researchers had suggested that this was due to human-driven global warming, which appeared to be taking place rapidly at that time (though it has since gone on hold for 15 years or so, a circumstance which science is still assimilating).
However back in 2009 the British Antarctic Survey sent its Autosub robot probe under the shelf (famously powered by some 5,000 ordinary alkaline D-cell batteries on each trip beneath the ice, getting through no less than four tonnes of them during the research). The Autosub survey revealed that a previously unknown marine ridge lay below the shelf, over which the icepack had for millennia been forced to grind its way en route to the ocean. However in relatively recent times the ice had finally so ground down the ridge that the sea could flow in between shelf and ridge, freeing the ice to move much faster and warming it too.
As we reported at the time, this caused BAS boffins to suggest that the observed accelerating ice flow and melt seen since the '90s was actually a result of the ridge's erosion and sea ingress, rather than global warming.
Now, the latest BAS research has revealed that rather than accelerating, "oceanic melting of the ice shelf into which the glacier flows decreased by 50 per cent between 2010 and 2012".

 

Hold on now, this contradicts what others have posted here. How dare you post this scientific observation.

 

Quack "science."

Antarctic glaciers do not melt. Do you moonbats understand that it is COLD down there? Sheesh.

Antarctic glaciers recede. They do not melt.

If you're going to post quack science in the service of your hysteria, at least find quack science that pretends to make sense.

 

Sixty percent of Republicans believe that God created humans during the past 10,000 years.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/108226/Republicans-Democrats-Differ-Creationism.aspx

Protestant Fundamentalists are not physically dangerous. One does not read of Protestant Fundamentalist suicide bombers blowing up synagogues, Roman Catholic Churches, and night clubs.

What is dangerous about Protestant Fundamentalists is that they tend to see sickening catastrophes as "signs of the times" that the second coming of Christ is imminent. As evidence of man made global warming becomes more obvious they will become more hopeful.

Also, those who believe that Jesus will come again soon are unlikely to care about the environment on earth two hundred years from now, because Jesus will have come by then, so it won't matter. They will be in Heaven. The sinners will be experiencing a much hotter environment.

 

To be technical glaciers caved or brake of sections that become icebergs. They then drift to worm waters were they melt. Now we keep hearing about receding glaciers but we never hear about more icebergs. The fact of the matter is they have made many predictions that are that are due to take place. Now I firmly believe if they don't happen we will never hear about it from them.

 

Dick: "See the ball bounce"
Jane: "Yes, I see the ball bouncing"
Dick: "Will Spot catch the ball?"
Jane: "Maybe he will, but it bounced in front of that truck."
Dick: "Spot caught the ball."
Jane: "Yes he did, good dog Spot."
Dick: "Why is Spot so flat and not moving."
Jane: "Someone named "Distant Lover" said that a Republican was driving the truck."
Dick: "Well that certainly explains it."

 

When I was nineteen two Mormon missionaries proselytized me for about six months. For years previous to that I had been fascinated by The Book of Mormon.

For a number of reasons, including my Mormon girl friend I actually wanted to become a Mormon. I began my study of Mormonism with the attitude that alone of the religions it lends itself to a rational evaluation. The other religions base their authority on miracles that happened too long ago in the past to be proven or disproven.

We cannot know if Jews rose from the dead after the Crucifiction. We cannot know if the Angel Gabriel dictated the Koran to Muhammad. If The Book of Mormon is an authentic history of pre Columbian America archaeological evidence of that will exist.

I discovered to my disappointment that there is no archaeological evidence of events written about in The Book of Mormon. There is much evidence of contrary events. Mormons like to identify Meso American ruins with cities mentioned in The Book of Mormon. The architecture of buildings constructed by American Indians has no similarity to ancient Near Eastern architecture. The languages of American Indians bears no similarity to Hebrew.

For these and other reasons I reluctantly concluded that Joseph Smith was a religious charlatan.

When I discussed my discoveries with the Mormon missionaries they would look for some little factoid that indicated that I was mistaken. They would wave it around as though it proved that they were right after all.

Climate change deniers remind me of those Mormon missionaries. They will find some glacier somewhere that grew last year as though this disproves man made global warming.

 

You disappoint me tenguy. I thought you could do better than that.

 

You certainly don't disappoint me, your predictability is legend.

 

Thank you. One can always predict that what I say is true. One can bet the rent money on it.

 

As I said, "your predictability is legend", not that you post only incorrect "facts", but their relevency never seems to enter into it.

 

just to confuse us even more

German scientists predict a century of global cooling.



Posted: Monday, December 23, 2013 12:00 am


Two German scientists, Horst-Joachin Luedecke and Carl-Otto Weiss of the European Institute for Climate and Energy, say that "two naturally occurring climate cycles will combine to lower global temperatures during the next century."


>>> They added, "by the year 2100, temperatures on this planet will plunge to levels seen at the end of the 'Little Ice Age' in 1870."



These researchers used historical data detailing temperatures as well as cave stalagmites to show a recurring 200-year solar cycle called the DeVries Cycle.


They likewise featured into their studies a well-established 65-year Atlantic and Pacific Ocean oscillation cycle of warming that has occurred since 1870 and will soon shift to a much cooler cycle of sea-surface temperatures, in other words, more chilly 'La Ninas' and less warm 'El Ninos.'
Solar activity is one area of evidence that scientists have used for decades in predicting both global warming and global cooling. Low sunspot activity has been linked to the 'Little Ice Age' between 1350 and 1870. The recent warmer periods have been associated with much higher than normal solar activity.
But, despite the current sunspot 'maxima' phase, which has been weaker than normal, we've seen a series of very harsh winter seasons in both hemispheres in the past several years, especially in Europe and Asia.
Already this bitterly cold 2013-14 winter season, we've seen killer blizzards and minus-40 degree actual air temperatures with wind-chill factors of minus-55 degrees on Montana's Glacier National Park earlier this month. My gas and electric bill that I received this week was near $300.
Elsewhere around the planet, it was one of the coldest and snowiest winters in 200 years in parts of South America between June and August. Some weather stations in northern Argentina and Paraguay saw their first measurable snowfalls this past July in living memory. This July likewise saw the coldest temperature ever on earth in Antarctica, an incredible minus-135.8 degrees Fahrenheit.
In the past 10 days, as of this Friday, Dec. 20 writing, Cairo, Egypt saw its first measurable snowfall in more than 100 years. Its domes and minarets were coated with a rare covering of snow, a picture of winter beauty. Kids of all ages had snowball fights in the streets of Cairo with ice, rather than bullets, much more fun to say the least. Imagine seeing the Pyramids and the Sphinx covered in snow!
Syrian refugee camps in Jordan saw their flimsy shelters collapsed by the heavy snows. The snows in Jerusalem were the heaviest in 60 years, more than three feet deep in places. Hundreds were stranded in vehicles on impassable roads. Jerusalem's major, Nir Barkat, called the rare heavy snowstorm, "a snow tsunami."


"What's next weatherwise in 2014 is anyone's guess."

 

Ah , good , so I can ignore all these scientists then

That's great ,
if Antarctic ice dose not melt , they are all wrong , and the melting of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet is just a myth ,
and therefore of course it can not raise the sea level.
Good ,
that's a relief !
whew
I'll ignore this altogether then.


Antarctic glacier's 'irreversible' melting threatens 'considerable ...

The Vancouver Observer-13/01/2014
An Antarctic glacier is melting "irreversibly," offering "a striking vision of ... for 20 per cent of total ice loss from the West Antarctic Ice Sheet toda

* * * * *
So,
it is not the colder melt water flowing out from under the ice cap/ice sheet or whatever that is causeing the increase in the extent of sea ice , as some scientists have claimed. [or theorised]
and,
the warmer ocean waters lapping under the edges of ice sheets can not be melting them , if the antarctic ice sheets do not melt.

Antarctic glacier melting

Authint Mail-12/01/2014






Surprising "Lake" Bigger Than West Virginia Found Inside ...

National Geographic-by Clark Howard-2/01/2014
Together with Antarctica's even more vast ice sheet, its melting in a warming climate is a big factor in projections of future sea-level rise.




Strong Sensitivity of Pine Island Ice-Shelf Melting to Climatic Variability

Science Careers Blog-2/01/2014
Strong Sensitivity of Pine Island Ice-Shelf Melting to Climatic Variability ... roles in determining the response of the Antarctic Ice Sheet to climate.

>>>> They do not melt. <<<<

I am so glad you cleared that up once and for all.
Now I no longer need to read through endless pages of research to try and learn a little more about what might be actually happening down there,
since I now know they are all wrong and the ice of concern "dose not melt".

Yes , that for sure must be the definative end to it.

 

In Re; Global warming

Shooter will wait for the movie on this one.

Has to be better than the book.

 

Some Denier Furphies Exposed

No global warming since 1998

1998 had a strong El Nino effect, which made that year a major outlier on the graph at this Wikipedia link. However, the years so far in the 21st century have not had strong El Nino's, yet are at least comparable with '98. Another way of looking at it: would it be fair to compare raw retail sales numbers for January with December? Obviously you need to seasonally adjust both figures for comparison, but adjusting the years is much harder for climate models.

Yes, the five year average shows a flat line in this current period, but there have been negative or flat trends before, and the warming trend has won out.


It's all due to Natural Causes

Do people really believe that pumping GigaTonnes of a greenhouse gas into the atmosphere and cutting down trees has absolutely no effect?! Solar radiation has been pretty constant over the period of global warming observed, and no other natural cause of global warming is readily apparent.


The Earth will Naturally Cool

It is true that sunspot activity is currently weak, and it is possible that the Sun will go into a cycle similar to that which led to the Little Ice Age. However, this would only somewhat offset the effects of global warming, maybe giving us a bit more time to get things right. If we still haven't got things right when the Sun goes back to current activity, we will be in for HELL!!!


The Rise due to CO2 will be Limited

No, because of feedback effects. Eg, ice reflects the sunlight, while land absorbs it, so melting ice means more land exposed, which leads to higher temps. If the permafrost areas melt, this will release much gas.

Major Source for all this is Wikipedia.

 

Here's the graph I referred to in my previous post. Black is the annual avg, red is the 5 year rolling avg and green are error bars. It's pretty clear that there's a long-term upward trend since 1965 despite short term decreases.

 

been doing the same thing for the last 12,000 years that we know of who knows before that