Previously items by me in this thread that debunk deniers.

 

Jeez.

 

Agreed.

 

As to the board behind the man at the podium, I can name its source:

UN Agenda 21

 

So. Shooter still wants to know;
Assuming Climate change is real, realistically, what can be done about it?
Can we reduce greenhouse gasses enough to make a difference?
Can we cut emissions enough to slow it down or stop it?

Realistically, what can be done?

And how?

 

Plenty can be done. We can put aerosols in the atmosphere which reflect sunlight and cancel the affects of carbon dioxide.

We can greatly increase the amount of nuclear power plants. Not only would this be green, it would be cost effective and lower the price of electricity. We could also make use of spent nuclear fuel. There is plenty more energy which can be extracted from nuclear waste using state of the art methods which aren't too far away. Not only could it easily meet the worlds rising energy needs, the fuel is virtually unlimited, and it provides a solution on how to deal with nuclear waste.

Hybrid vehicles using smaller engines with turbochargers and electronic recovery systems could match and exceed the performance of today's cars and only require half as much fuel.

Electric cars are not a suitable replacement for gas powered cars. They run on electricity which is mainly generated from gas and coal plants. They are very heavy, and therefore slow and inefficient. They take ages to recharge. The batteries they use don't last very long and are extremely unenvironmentally friendly to produce. However, we could adopt hydrogen fuel cell technology into cars, this would have all the positives of gas powered cars such as being able to refuel in seconds while not having the drawbacks of electric vehicles.

We could provide more incentives for investment into nuclear fusion, which would solve any county's energy needs if they could pull it off. It's 100% safe, 100% clean, and there is an unlimited readily available fuel supply. We are about 25 years away in terms of having a working power station. But we have done it successfully in the lab, and are now beginning to yield bigger power outputs.

 

That is all bull shit.... If people are the problem, then the solution is less people. So, if you really want to save the planet, do something about the run away increase in the worlds population that for the most part is out of control in developing countries. These countries are the ones that will be making the biggest carbon foot print in the future.

 

Why the fuck should any of you atheists even care if climate change is happening and that man is the cause of it? The universe doesn't give a shit about you. You're nothing but matter in motion. In 100 years you'll be dead and forgotten. And the universe will keep on evolving without even a remembrance of you little specks of nothing.

 

The problem isn't developing countries. Per capita they are responsible for orders of magnitude less than developed countries. Each American is responsible for 5 times as much carbon dioxide as each Chinese person. And roughly 30 times as much as Africans.

There are simple cheap solutions. Putting aerosols in the atmosphere is very simple, cheap, and would get results almost instantly. The problem lies in gauging it correctly, starting a new ice age would definitely be worse than current climate change. Research is needed to find out what other unforeseen side effects might occur.

The technology for nuclear power is tried and tested. Safe, Clean, Reliable, and it isn't susceptible to middle eastern markets. It's got a bad image due to a political smear campaign. And apart from an ancient, terribly designed reactor, which was run by idiots in the soviet union, there has been no real consequences of nuclear power.

Overpopulation is a major problem, but in a world where people like to fuck and religions are telling people contraception is evil, there isn't much you can do about it.

Climate change has been turned into a political debate. It's not a political debate, it's a scientific debate, and the science is quite clear that carbon dioxide is having a negative effect. What the future holds is unknown, the climate models aren't powerful enough to make accurate predictions. This idea that climate change has split the scientific community is completely false. Close to 100% of climate scientists agree that man made climate change is happening, the extent at which is still up for debate, but practically no one disagrees on the facts.

Generalising people here but, Conservatives deny it, and liberals think it's the end of the world. Both are wrong. Conservatives think we don't need to do anything, and liberals think we should sacrifice the economy, our standards of living, and need to make a transition to renewable energy. Again both are way off the mark.

 

Why do religious people put on seat belts, see doctors, and cry when their family members die? If you're going to a place of infinite bliss, why bother ?

 

Again...

None of what you say amounts to a hill of beans. In a 100 years you, religious and non-religious people, people in over- and under-populated areas, libs and conservatives, etc. will all be dead and forgotten. The universe will go on without even a notice of the passing of all of us little specks of nothing.

 

For one thing people cry when family members die because they'll miss them. And for another thing religious people hold that life is a gift and that one shouldn't just treat it with disdain.

According to atheistic nihilism in a 100 years putting on seat belts, seeing doctors, crying when family members die, etc. won't mean shit since we'll all be dead and forgotten anyway.

Nor does being a good person or evil person.

Nor does trying to save lives or being a child killer.

In a 100 years you'll be in the same "place" (i.e., dead and nonexistent) as Hitler and a child killing pedo.

Life is meaningless. There is no "good" or "evil."

So again...

Why the fuck do you even bother with this meaningless stuff?

 

I'm not having any kids. If I want to treat this planet like a rental car I will. I don't lose any sleep over the environment. The future of this planet beyond my lifespan doesn't mean anything to me. What matters to me is the joy of finding out how this universe works. That includes finding out how this tiny insignificant planet works. And if it's a fact that people are having an effect here, I'd like to know because it is interesting. And if there are ways to reverse or minimize the effect people have, I'd like to know because it is interesting. Conservatives are generally wrong about climate change, and liberals are generally wrong about the severity, consequences and solutions to climate change. I like to pitch in about these matters not because I ultimately care about how things turn out, but rather because the science is interesting. Engineering is interesting and Human nature is interesting.

 

Why does any of this shit you wrote matter? Even if it matters to you now just who the fuck do you think you are, you little speck of nothing? Do you think anybody will give a shit in a 100 years what you thought? Do you even think that in 100 billion years what you've wanted or did will mean shit to anybody or the universe?

 

........... putting aerosols into the atmosphere. Exactly how would that work? We send planes up with nozzles spraying.............what?

Cmon

Nuclear? Sure. It takes 15 years to build a plant.

Cutting carbon footprint? Sure. What, with Carbon credits? The first time I heard the term I realized that "Global warming" was being used as a path to move money from "us" to "them" without addressing the problem. And then I asked, is "them" the folks making the biggest fuss about global warming?

And Chinese have a smaller foot print than Americans?
Whip out your source on that one; you seen the news about China's pollution problems?

Sorry. The reality is that the answer to "climate change" is to adapt. You know, adapt.

 

If I were Dave I wouldn't give a shit about the effects of climate change since the worst effects are going to happen long after we're all dead and forgotten.

Hell! In a few billion years or so this whole universe will reach "heat death." So why should we even give a fuck?

 

Joe, you seem to be presuming I that I give a shit about what other people think, or will ever think in the future. I couldn't give a flying fuck about your opinion, or anyone else's, particularly that of a deluded small minded little individual like yourself. You seem to think I care if what I do matters. It may matter to some people for some moment in time, it may not, that's not what drives me as a person, or what sparks my interest in a topic.

I like to interact with people to see how they respond in a situation. I like to read about science because it's interesting to find out how things work. Not because it might be important. I'm not a nihilist. Life has no intrinsic purpose given by a higher power, life only has whatever purpose you make for yourself. And my purpose is to have a good time and enjoy myself. And I get enjoyment in finding out how things work.

 

Sure. Does that really sound so far fetched ?

6 years tops. You can build submarines with on board nuclear power stations in about 18 months. And considering it takes about 4 years to build a coal plant it's not that much extra.

I didn't say anything about carbon credits.

You both produce about the same amount of CO2 as a whole. China has a population about 4 times that of the US. Thus per capita about 5x as polluting yes.

By all means adapt. Climate change isn't going to affect the US in a catastrophic way anyway. So you wont need to change much, maybe move your farmland around a bit, and put up with mass immigration but you're not Africa, you're not going to starve.

 

In other words you have nothing. Nothing other than your puny little speck of nothing subjective feelings and thoughts which will cease to exist when you die. Your "meaning" isn't meaning. It's meaningless.

You ARE a nihilist. You just pretend and fool yourself into believing that you aren't one because the alternative is just too horrible to contemplate. It means a life of despair.

 

I have exactly the same as you.

You invent meaning by making up a pretend slave master to obey. I create meaning by seeking enjoyment and having fun with what I've got. Your meaning isn't worth any more than mine. If I have nothing, you have less. Because at least the things that interest me are real.

That nice feeling you get in your tummy when you think about your pretend slave master granting you eternal life may mean something to you. But it certainly means no more to you, than the joy of finding things out means to me.