WHY?? What is your reason for this, other than your contempt towards those that have more financial wealth than yourself..

This can also be directed towards your contempt towards those that have more than you.

WHY?? What is your reason for this, other than your contempt towards those that have more financial wealth than yourself..




''IT IS PATRIOTIC TO PAY TAXES''
Biden/Shcumer

 

If the govt. decided you should live in New York City and should give up all of your belongings if you decided not to move would that be fair?

 

"Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is
to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the
higher portions of property in geometrical progression as they
rise."

-Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1785.

 

Only the leftists use the ''fair'' analogy, in which the ''FAIRNESS'' anology truly equates to the socialism mentality that they have.

 

Taxation is required for any society to thrive, there is no doubt about that, this government is tax hungry, that is unreasonable.

A limited government (U.S. Constitution) would not be so greedy, a government 'produces' nothing that creates an income, todays government are nothing less than legal thieves, and you endorse this thievery.

 

"Bitter men are not pleased with the suppression of taxes. Not daring to condemn the measure, they attack the motive; and too disingenuous to ascribe it to the honest one of freeing our citizens from unnecessary burthens and unnecessary systems of office, they ascribe it to a desire of popularity." --Thomas Jefferson to Benjamin Rush, 1801. ME 10:304

"Private fortunes are destroyed by public as well as by private extravagance. And this is the tendency of all human governments." --Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Kercheval, 1816. ME 15:40

"Our citizens may be deceived for awhile and have been deceived; but... we may trust to... the tax-gatherers [for light]; for it is not worth the while of our anti-republicans to risk themselves on any change of government but a very expensive one. Reduce every department to economy, and there will be no temptation to them to betray their constituents." --Thomas Jefferson to Archibald Stuart, 1799. FE 7:378

"Sound principles will not justify our taxing the industry of our fellow citizens to accumulate treasure for wars to happen we know not when and which might not perhaps happen but from the temptations offered by that treasure." --Thomas Jefferson: 1st Inaugural, 1801. ME 3:331

 

So, you as a business owner never use the roads to get to and from work, nor do you use them to ship your products to retailers and customers? How do you stay in business?

Also, that business? How do your employees relieve themselves while at work? Do you make them go out and shit n the woods?

Or how about when you do a mailing? How do you get those things sent out?

Or better yet, when you get sued because an irate customer doesn't like your product? Do you just take them out and beat the crap out of them, or do you use the courts to defend yourself.

Yeah, I know, everything you built, you did it all yourself.

Where does the concept of money come from in the first place? If it weren't for the government (who prints that money for you), the game of your money would be nil, it's the government that backs your money... Which is another thing you forget...

 

Totally irrational and absurd scenario! But I I'd be willing to give your first born if ever they were to do this...

 

If a business man does not live in the U.S. he don't do much riding around on the roads.
If he ships his products in the U,S. he uses a company that is supposed to pay road taxes.
If his business isn't in the U.S. his employees rarely ever piss or shit in the U.S.

You seem to forget what this thread is about. It is about people wanting to move out of the U.S and the govt. holding their belongings for ransom.

 

It's a good thing you didn't live in the 40's and 50's... Taxes were a lot higher.

 

You are sort of going off the deep end. Where does the govt. get the power to make the money in the first place? It isn't there money, we pay them to make it. They work for us.

 

Not any different than a person wanting to live in some other country and the govt. wanting to take their money for that.

 

A hell of a lot quicker, before you have chance to sign it into law.

 

If his business isn't in the us, then he is not an American.

 

And without that government, try doing business with people overseas.

Also, the government gets the power to make money because we give it to them. They do debate raising the debt ceiling every now and then.

 

That's bullshit, how many businesses that are not in the U.S., that are owned by an American,,you are talking straight out of your ass here.

 

Bullshit again,,,Governments DO NOT make money, they only receive revenue,, quite a big difference between ''making'' and ''receiving''.

 

You are learning first hand how the leftists twist and spin your words here, typically they never respond to anything that you actually say, it's not their fault, it's breed into them, it's called dyslexia,,they see the shit backwards and upside down.

 

State and federal gasoline taxes, as well as tolls are supposed to fund road and bridge construction. But the government always seems to find a way of diverting portions of those levies to other areas of government, often unrelated to wht they were earmarked for.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_taxes_in_the_United_States

From the link above:

'Then-Secretary of Transportation Mary Peters stated on August 15, 2007 that about 60% of federal gas taxes are used for highway and bridge construction. The remaining 40% goes to earmarked programs. (M4M: See [1] below) However, revenues from other taxes are also used in federal transportation programs.'

In my state, we receive water bills and sewer bills..separately. So we are indeed paying for it coming and going out.

Um, postage? Considering few people actually mail letters or pay their bills by mail, I believe a good portion of their non-package revenue is from businesses (A lot of it is junk mail, but if it keeps them in business and employed...)

Those suits are usually handled by state courts, which, I believe (don't quote me on it) should be funded by local property taxes. Also, see post #4 above. "Judges should be empowered to dismiss invalid claims quickly." Considering our fucked up litigious society will sue for just about anything, including not getting enough napkins from McDonald's, or "racist paint colors", something needs to be done so these idiots get a verbal bitch slap from judges and don't try that shit again.


So, businesses ARE paying property taxes. Businesses ARE paying state and federal gasoline taxes (if they have corporate vehicles.). Just about every state has some form of corporate tax. And quite often, cities and towns want their share of skin with a local tax.

Add in more taxes, and either prices go up, or they make a choice of going out of business, or going somewhere where the costs of doing business are cheaper, which they're already doing.

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GWEN IFILL: Aren't many of those projects, even though they're special interest projects, aren't they roads and bridges, often?

MARY PETERS: Gwen, some of them are, but many of them are not. There are museums that are being built with that money, bike paths, trails, repairing lighthouses. Those are some of the kind of things that that money is being spent on, as opposed to our infrastructure.

 

It's not true that all Expats are millionaires and billionaires. Many are just average people looking for a more affordable, less legislated place to live or retire to. Many are looking for new opportunities, ones that don't exist in the United States. Let's face it, the United States has become an over legislated, unaffordable place to live for many and the job market sucks.

I worked for General Electric and Hewlett-Packard. I then started and sold three businesses and then left the United States. I have been living in Southeast Asia for 8 months and my money is actually worth something here. I am not a millionaire or billionaire but I'm living quite comfortably.

The corporations left because of taxation and the high cost of labor. Now, many people are leaving because of taxation and the high cost of living in the United States. Actually, many of the Expats will also tell you that United States citizens have lost A LOT of freedom over the past three or four decades. In a nutshell, the United States is NOT the land of opportunity that it used to be and people, like the corporations, are looking for greener pastures and they ARE finding them.

For the first time in many years I'm finding opportunities regarding work and business. One enabler is the internet.

Really, rich immigrants is a fallacy. Many who immigrated to the United States years ago had very little and when they arrived on United States soil they worked hard, built businesses and did well. Now, many people are immigrating to other countries, working hard, finding opportunities and doing well.

I am going to go anywhere I want and anywhere there is opportunity. Fuck the United States and its tax laws and legislation. I have not given up my United States citizenship but I can fully understand why many Expats have done so.