Secret CIA assessment says Russia intervened in election to help Trump win

M4MPetCock · Dec 18, 2016

RandyKnight said: ↑

Ok Good......

so what was found out in e-mails that was released that made Clinton Lose and Trump win......
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Damn! I'm trying to remember which amendment to the Constitution that says "pissy assed whining internet polls" should be considered a valid reason for delaying 51 electoral balloting processes across the nation.

ace's n 8's · Dec 18, 2016

clarise said: ↑

You know that Lessig is Harvard's nuttiest commie fruitcake.

Right?
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I dont know if what you say is true or not.

What I do know about this Lassig character, is this.....this mother fucker has no idea on which way is up.

He also has no idea what the U.S. was founded upon.

ace's n 8's · Dec 18, 2016

M4MPetCock said: ↑

Damn! I'm trying to remember which amendment to the Constitution that says "pissy assed whining internet polls" should be considered a valid reason for delaying 51 electoral balloting processes across the nation.
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It's all within the paramiteres of the ''General welfare Clause'', just go and ask any of those leftists, they'll tell you so.

anon_de_plume · Dec 18, 2016

clarise said: ↑

Trump won. Hillary lost.

Trump is the Winner. Hillary is the LOSER.

Get over it. Movvvvvvvvve Onnnnnnnnnnnn.
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Something you're afraid to see?

RandyKnight · Dec 18, 2016

stumbler said: ↑

https://forum.xnxx.com/threads/secr...to-help-trump-win.448644/page-12#post-8021489
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try again I am asking what info was released that changed the vote so Trump won.....

or do you think that the media is screaming the Russians are helping Trump which that made Americans vote for Trump?

ace's n 8's · Dec 18, 2016

stumbler said: ↑

Yes. In fact only an ideo9logically blinded fool would think that a foreign leader and a foreign country would conduct covert operations and then admit it.

Obviously the bulk of the evidence is and will remain very closely guarded secretes because the intelligence agencies don't want Putin and other foreign countries and actors to find out about their methods, software, resources, and especially human resources.

But you, all your socks and tenguy purposely ignore the best evidence. Members of congress have seen the classified evidence our intelligence agencies have and not one of them is denying the evidence and many of them in both parties are calling for special investigations.

So you et als and tenguy's constant cries to "see the evidence" is nothing more than a hypocritical dodge because you will support Trump no matter what.

However, its not like some evidence hasn't already been made public which you also ignore proving just how phony your arguments that there is no evidence are.

Here’s The Evidence Russia Hacked The Democratic National Committee

http://time.com/4600177/election-hack-russia-hillary-clinton-donald-trump/

So now once again Ace as you admitted our US intelligence agencies are in agreement that Putin/Russia hacked and interfered in our elections in order to help Donald Trump get elected. Putin denies that. Who do you believe? Our intelligent agencies or Putin?
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We believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia's senior-most officials could have authorized these activities. Some states have also recently seen scanning and probing of their election-related systems, which in most cases originated from servers operated by a Russian company. However, we are not now in a position to attribute this activity to the Russian Government.
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Still no proof......still no evidence....still just assumptions, speculation, and general consensus.

Which still means nothing.

NEXT.......waiting.

stumbler · Dec 18, 2016

RandyKnight said:

Obama is a pussy running around in the shadows fucking with the mid-east....
Hell Obama in 2012 told Romney there was no problems with Russia....

Trump will deal with Putin and he is putting someone in state that knows how to deal with him.....

It is clear Clinton and Kerry could not deal with Putin....
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Obviously Trump's pick for Secretary of State sure does know how to deal with Putin and the Russians.

REVEALED: Secretary of State pick Rex Tillerson is director of off-shore Russia oil firm

ccording to leaked documents provided to Germany’s Süddeutsche Zeitung and then shared with the Center for Public Integrity, President-elect Donald Trump’s choice to serve as Secretary of State is a director of an off-shore firm involved in oil and gas operations in Russia.

The documents, given by an anonymous source, reveal that ExxonMobil CEO Rex Tillerson has been a director of the oil company’s Russian subsidiary, Exxon Neftegas, since 1998 — based in the corporate tax-haven of the Bahamas.

While it was known that Tillerson was named president of Exxon Neftegas that same year, his position as a director on a board with other members based in Moscow and in Sakhalin was not previously known.

According to the documents, Exxon Neftegas managed a major oil and gas project near the island of Sakhalin in Russia’s Far East. Following Tillerson’s promotion to CEO, ExxonMobil began a partnership with Russian state-owned company Rosneft to expand oil exploration.

Companies base their operation in the Bahamas due to a corporate tax rate of zero and its reluctance to share financial information and tax data.

Tillerson’s close ties to President Vladimir Putin have caused consternation on both sides of the aisle, particularly in light of the Russian strongman’s bestowing of the Russian Order of Friendship upon the oil executive in 2013, following the completion of a deal between ExxonMobil and Rosneft to increase oil exploration in the Kara Sea.

Tillerson’s participation as a director in the tax-ducking Exxon Neftegas flies in the face of President-elect Donald Trump’s call for American executives to bring their business home.
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ace's n 8's · Dec 18, 2016

stumbler said: ↑

Obviously Trump's pick for Secretary of State sure does know how to deal with Putin and the Russians.

REVEALED: Secretary of State pick Rex Tillerson is director of off-shore Russia oil firm
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Sounds to me that this is a Russian based company, they owe no US taxes.

Furthermore, its hard to connect any influence peddeling here.

stumbler · Dec 18, 2016

RandyKnight said: ↑

try again I am asking what info was released that changed the vote so Trump won.....

or do you think that the media is screaming the Russians are helping Trump which that made Americans vote for Trump?
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Russian Hackers Altered Emails Before Release to Wikileaks - Updated

The headline jumped out at me and I thought it a good idea to post it here. The original story was posted by Tim Peacock at Peacock Panache. They source the following article on Motherboard by Thomas Rid: All Signs Point to Russia Being Behind the DNC Hack.

I think by now, it’s a foregone conclusion that the bad actors that Wikileaks is releasing information from are state-sponsored and are from Russia. Putin has made no secret of his political love for Trump™ and Republicans have used the occasion to make great hay over the DNC and it’s terse relationship with Bernie. . . .not out of true concern for Sanders, of course, but because they have had to embrace a very undesirable candidate as their standard-bearer.

The big takeaway from the Motherboard article is the following:

The metadata in the leaked documents are perhaps most revealing: one dumped document was modified using Russian language settings, by a user named “Феликс Эдмундович,” a code name referring to the founder of the Soviet Secret Police, the Cheka, memorialised in a 15-ton iron statue in front of the old KGB headquarters during Soviet times. The original intruders made other errors: one leaked document included hyperlink error messages in Cyrillic, the result of editing the file on a computer with Russian language settings. After this mistake became public, the intruders removed the Cyrillic information from the metadata in the next dump and carefully used made-up user names from different world regions, thereby confirming they had made a mistake in the first round.

Then there is the language issue. “I hate being attributed to Russia,” the Guccifer 2.0 account told Motherboard, probably accurately. The person at the keyboard then claimed in a chat with Motherboard’s Lorenzo Franceschi-Bicchierai that Guccifer 2.0 was from Romania, like the original Guccifer, a well-known hacker. But when asked to explain his hack in Romanian, he was unable to respond colloquially and without errors. Guccifer 2.0’s English initially was also weak, but in subsequent posts the quality improved sharply, albeit only on political subjects, not in technical matters—an indication of a team of operators at work behind the scenes.

Rid went on to add:

The metadata show that the Russian operators apparently edited some documents, and in some cases created new documents after the intruders were already expunged from the DNC network on June 11. A file called donors.xls, for instance, was created more than a day after the story came out, on June 15, most likely by copy-pasting an existing list into a clean document. Although so far the actual content of the leaked documents appears not to have been tampered with, manipulation would fit an established pattern of operational behaviour in other contexts, such as troll farms or planting fake media stories. Subtle (or not so subtle) manipulation of content may be in the interest of the adversary in the future. Documents that were leaked by or through an intelligence operation should be handled with great care, and journalists should not simply treat them as reliable sources.

Tim at Peacock Panache expands on this further and in spectacular fashion:

Adding context to why Putin and the Russian government would go to so much trouble to influence the U.S. presidential elections, NPR reported:

The security firm the party brought in last month to deal with the data breach immediately pointed fingers toward what it called “Russian espionage groups.”

“If [it’s a coincidence] it’s a really great coincidence,” said Russia expert Fiona Hill, who directs the Center on the United States and Europe at the Brookings Institution. “The Russians have a word — ne sluchaino. It means, not accidental. Not by chance.”

Hill said the Russian hackers may not be taking orders directly from Putin, but that they are clearly working with Russian foreign policy interests in mind.

“They don’t have to be run directly by the Kremlin. They can just be encouraged,” Hill said. “They [Russian security services] are very good at knowing how to play our media. We are making this email leak into a huge story, as they knew we would.”

On a personal level, Trump said last fall that he and Putin “would probably get along … very well.” He has repeatedly praised Putin’s strength, particularly when it comes to military intervention in Syria.

Add to that Trump’s fondness for Putin (both as a man and as a hardline leader):

“He’s running his country, and at least he’s a leader, you know unlike what we have in this country,” Trump told MSNBC in December.

During his annual end-of-year marathon news conference in December, Putin returned the compliment, calling Trump “a bright personality, a talented person, no doubt.”

“He says that he wants to move to a different level of relations, to a closer, deeper one, with Russia,” Putin said. “How can we not welcome that?”

Slate added:

In 2007, he praised Putin for “rebuilding Russia.” A year later he added, “He does his work well. Much better than our Bush.” When Putin ripped American exceptionalism in a New York Times op-ed in 2013, Trump called it “a masterpiece.” Despite ample evidence, Trump denies that Putin has assassinated his opponents: “In all fairness to Putin, you’re saying he killed people. I haven’t seen that.” In the event that such killings have transpired, they can be forgiven: “At least he’s a leader.” And not just any old head of state: “I will tell you that, in terms of leadership, he’s getting an A.”

Additionally, several of Trump’s close advisers have Russian ties:

And several advisers in Trump’s orbit have close ties to Russia and Russian interests. Retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, who advises Trump on foreign policy, raised eyebrows in Washington by sitting at a table with Putin during a gala for the state-run English language news channel Russia Today last year. And Trump’s top adviser, Manafort, has done political consulting work for Ukrainian politicians viewed as allies to Russia.

Even Trump’s vaguely stated policy ideals align with the idea of his collusion with Russia right down to his abhorrence of NATO:

More consequential for Moscow: Trump’s repeated skepticism about the value and strength of the NATO alliance, which formed the pillar of Western Europe and North America’s opposition to the Soviet Union over the past half century.

A central tenet of the North Atlantic treaty is that member states view an attack against one of them as an attack against the entire alliance.

Speaking on the NATO alliance with the New York Times last week, Trump attacked NATO saying:

Asked about Russia’s threatening activities, which have unnerved the small Baltic States that are among the more recent entrants into NATO, Trump said that if Russia attacked them, he would decide whether to come to their aid only after reviewing if those nations have “fulfilled their obligations to us.”

“If they fulfill their obligations to us,” he added, “the answer is yes.”

In essence, Trump wouldn’t live up to the obligations contained in NATO’s charter. While he didn’t explicitly link this reluctance to his relationship with Putin, the writing is on the wall.

That wasn’t the only occasion in which Trump attacked NATO either. “We pay so much disproportionately more for NATO,” Trump said in March. “We are getting ripped off by every country in NATO, where they pay virtually nothing, most of them. And we’re paying the majority of the costs.”

Trump’s anti-NATO remarks and general isolationist stance would benefit Putin’s agenda at large:

The NATO skepticism plays into a much broader isolationist view that Trump has taken during his campaign, a view that would undoubtedly benefit internationally proactive countries like Russia, if it were carried out by a President Trump.

“The most important difference between our plan and that of our opponents is that our plan will put America first,” Trump said Thursday night during his convention speech. “Americanism, not globalism, will be our credo.”

Which is to say, Americans should regard any “leaks” published by Wikileaks in the coming weeks leading up to the 2016 presidential elections with a grain of salt. After all, Putin has a puppet in his pocket named Trump and a globe full of hackers, spies and allies all aimed at installing that puppet into the White House.

Instead of fighting Assange about releasing the material, it should be pointed out that not only is Assange using the Wikileaks platform in a personal vendetta against Hillary Clinton, he’s doing so with information that may have been altered and is therefore not trustworthy. First rule of real journalism: Make sure your sources can be trusted.

Edit: Made the Recommended List. . .First time ever! Thanks, Kossacks!

Update: This from the New York Times —

“American intelligence agencies have told the White House they now have “high confidence” that the Russian government was behind the theft of emails and documents from the Democratic National Committee, according to federal officials who have been briefed on the evidence.

But intelligence officials have cautioned that they are uncertain whether the electronic break-in at the committee’s computer systems was intended as fairly routine cyberespionage — of the kind the United States also conducts around the world — or as part of an effort to manipulate the 2016 presidential election.

The emails were released by WikiLeaks, whose founder, Julian Assange, has made it clear that he hoped to harm Hillary Clinton’s chances of winning the presidency. It is unclear how the documents made their way to the group. But a large sampling was published before the WikiLeaks release by several news organizations and someone who called himself “Guccifer 2.0,” who investigators now believe was an agent of the G.R.U., Russia’s military intelligence service.

Such a public accusation could result in a further deterioration of the already icy relationship between Washington and Moscow, at a moment when the administration is trying to reach an accord with Mr. Putin on a cease-fire in Syria and on other issues. It could also doom any effort to reach some kind of agreement about acceptable behavior in cyberspace, of the kind the United States has been discussing with China.

In an interview with Savannah Guthrie of NBC News on Tuesday, President Obama stopped short of accusing Russian agencies from seeking to manipulate the election but said “Anything's possible.”

He noted that “on a regular basis, they try to influence elections in Europe.”

The rest of the article can be found here: nyti.ms/...
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stumbler · Dec 18, 2016

Trump's Transition Approval Lower Than Predecessors'

48% approve, 48% disapprove of how Trump is handling transition

Past three presidents-elect had approval at or above 65%

Transition approval has usually exceeded initial job approval ratings

PRINCETON, N.J. -- Americans are evenly divided in their assessment of the way Donald Trump is handling his presidential transition, with 48% approving and 48% disapproving. By contrast, 65% or more approved of the way the past three presidents-elect were handling their transitions at similar points in time, including 75% for Barack Obama in December 2008.

Do you approve or disapprove of the way ... is handling his presidential transition?

Dates Approve Disapprove
% %
Donald Trump 2016 Dec 7-11 48 48
Barack Obama 2008 Dec 12-14 75 17
George W. Bush 2001 Jan 5-7 65 26
Bill Clinton 1992 Dec 18-20 67 15
Based on mid-December readings; Bush's reading was his first after being named winner in mid-December
Gallup
Trump's rating is based on a new Dec. 7-11 Gallup poll and gives an initial read on how Americans think the president-elect is handling the transition process. Trump has announced his choices for many of the cabinet-level positions in his administration, selecting many business and military leaders and relatively few with prior political experience. In addition, he has held public rallies in states crucial to his victory and weighed in on some issues on Twitter.

One major reason Trump's transition approval lags well behind his predecessors' is that members of the opposition party are far more critical of Trump than they were of prior presidents-elect. Whereas 17% of Democrats approve of Trump's presidential transition, the ratings for Obama and Bill Clinton among Republicans and for George W. Bush among Democrats were near 50%.

Presidential Transition Approval Ratings, by Political Party

Dates Democrats Independents Republicans
% % %
Donald Trump 2016 Dec 7-11 17 46 86
Barack Obama 2008 Dec 12-14 93 75 53
George W. Bush 2001 Jan 5-7 46 59 93
Bill Clinton 1992 Dec 18-20 83 64 50
Based on mid-December readings; Bush's reading was his first after being named winner in mid-December
Gallup
Democrats' low level of approval of Trump may foreshadow a high degree of political polarization in his forthcoming job approval ratings as president, which has been the case for Obama during his time in office.

Trump also does significantly worse among independents than the past three presidents-elect did: 46% approve of the way Trump is handling his transition, compared with 64% for Clinton, 59% for Bush and 75% for Obama.

Trump receives a high 86% approval rating among Republicans, but that is still slightly lower than approval ratings for Bush (93%) and Obama (93%) among their parties' supporters. However, it is similar to Clinton's 83% transition approval among Democrats.

Transition Approval Ratings Usually Exceed Initial Job Approval Ratings

Transition approval ratings taken in December and January have tended to be higher than presidents' initial job approval rating after they were inaugurated. On average, recent presidents' transition approval ratings have been about eight points higher than their first presidential job approval ratings.

Transition Approval Ratings Versus Initial Job Approval Ratings, Recent Presidents

Transition approval, mid-December/early January Transition approval, mid-January Initial job approval
% % %
Obama 75 83 68
Bush 65 61 57
Clinton 67 68 58
Gallup
If the recent historical pattern holds, Trump's initial job approval rating after he takes office could be in the low 40% range. To date, the lowest initial job approval rating in Gallup's records is 51%, held by both Ronald Reagan in 1981 and George H.W. Bush in 1989.

The difference in transition approval versus initial job approval is mostly attributable to an increase in the percentage of Americans who do not have an opinion of the job the newly inaugurated president is doing. For the past three presidents, an average of 20% of Americans did not have an opinion of the job each was doing in Gallup's first measurement. That compares with an average 11% not having an opinion of the way the president was handling his transition in the final Gallup update on that measure for each.

Implications

In a little more than one month, Donald Trump will take office as the nation's 45th president. Presidents-elect generally enjoy broad public support during their transition phase, but that has not been the case for Trump -- with as many Americans disapproving of the way he is handling his transition as approving of it.

Trump has a stiff challenge in winning over the public, given his low favorable ratings, which may have been a factor in him losing the popular vote. George W. Bush also took office having lost the popular vote, but he was a more well-liked figure and enjoyed solid public support during his transition phase and in the first weeks after he took office.

Trump still has time to turn the tide and avoid starting his presidency with the lowest public support in Gallup's polling history, but that would largely entail gaining the support of independents and, in particular, Democrats -- most of whom appear reluctant to back him.

Historical data are available in Gallup Analytics.

Survey Methods

Results for this Gallup poll are based on telephone interviews conducted Dec. 7-11, 2016, with a random sample of 1,028 adults, aged 18 and older, living in all 50 U.S. states and the District of Columbia. For results based on the total sample of national adults, the margin of sampling error is ±4 percentage points at the 95% confidence level. All reported margins of sampling error include computed design effects for weighting.

Each sample of national adults includes a minimum quota of 60% cellphone respondents and 40% landline respondents, with additional minimum quotas by time zone within region. Landline and cellular telephone numbers are selected using random-digit-dial methods.
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http://www.gallup.com/poll/199352/trump-transition-approval-lower-predecessors.aspx

ace's n 8's · Dec 18, 2016

stumbler said: ↑

Trump's Transition Approval Lower Than Predecessors'

http://www.gallup.com/poll/199352/trump-transition-approval-lower-predecessors.aspx
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An anti-establishment President-elect appoints anti-establishment cabinet...oh the shock and horror.

Trump has made more appointments at this time of pre inaugeration than all the other POTUS, in history.

TRUMP WON....Time to accept it boys and girls.
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M4MPetCock · Dec 18, 2016

Democratic Party Meltdown

The Democratic Party meltdown continues.

The party’s condition took a turn for the worse when Jill Stein’s election recount turned up more votes than voters in Detroit. The recount was ended.

Then John Podesta demanded that the 538 members of the Electoral College be briefed by the CIA. The purpose being to inform the electors of Russian efforts to elect Trump.

For his part, President Obama is back to drawing red lines. He says the U.S. will respond to Russia “at a time and place of our choosing.”

Meanwhile, President-elect The Donald tweets, “Are we talking about the same cyber attack where it was revealed the head of the DNC illegally gave Hillary the questions to the debate?”

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"Bazinga", PE-Trumpster!

stumbler · Dec 18, 2016

‘As if the lies were truth’: Ex-Bush aide explodes at alternate reality created by pro-Trump media

n a Sunday morning tweetstorm, a former speechwriter for President George W. Bush hammered the conservative media for “amplifying” the lies that come out of President-elect Donald Trump’s mouth thereby causing their readers or viewers to “lose touch with reality.”

In a series of posts of Twitter, speechwriter David Frum — who has long been critical of Trump — began by pointing out that the president-elect continues to lie about how well he did in the election as he disregards the fact that he lost the popular vote.

“Trump’s lying about the popular vote has dangerous real-world consequences,” Frum wrote before accusing the president-elect of suffering from narcissistic personality disorder, and believing “the lies he tells, after he tells them.”

Therein lies the problem, Frum complains, laying out step-by-step how enabling Trump aides and an uncritical conservative media will inevitably make Republican lawmakers act recklessly damaging the conservative cause.
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ace's n 8's · Dec 18, 2016

stumbler said: ↑

‘As if the lies were truth’: Ex-Bush aide explodes at alternate reality created by pro-Trump media
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Today, I would really like to know what the ''conservative cause'' really is.

I for one have not seen the 'conservative cause' in action.

stumbler · Dec 18, 2016

ace's n 8's said: ↑

Today, I would really like to know what the ''conservative cause'' really is.

I for one have not seen the 'conservative cause' in action.
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Ace/M4M, people who cannot answer a straight forward simple question have absolutely no right to be asking questions.

ace's n 8's · Dec 18, 2016

stumbler said: ↑

Ace/M4M, people who cannot answer a straight forward simple question have absolutely no right to be asking questions.
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By god yes we do, and I'll have you know, I will be exercising that right regularly.

Just because you dont like the answers I give you, doesn't mean that they have not been answered.

Have you found any of that proof yet?

stumbler · Dec 18, 2016

ace's n 8's said: ↑

By god yes we do, and I'll have you know, I will be exercising that right regularly.

Just because you dont like the answers I give you, doesn't mean that they have not been answered.
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Ok I knew I was just bullshitting on this one when I said it. Which is why I stuck the "absolutely" in there. Because as a general rule the only absolute rule is there are no absolutes.

Ace/.M4M said:

Have you found any of that proof yet?
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There is no proof for people who just want to play phony games, have no personal integrity, and are getting paid to lie.

stumbler · Dec 18, 2016

This is another one for you Ace/M4M.

Poll: 55% of Americans bothered by Russian election hacking

Washington (CNN)More than half of Americans say they're bothered by Russian hacks of Democratic emails in an effort to help Donald Trump win the election, a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll shows.

Fifty-five percent of Americans say they are at least quite a bit concerned about the Russian hacks, the poll shows.
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ace's n 8's · Dec 18, 2016

stumbler said: ↑

Ok I knew I was just bullshitting on this one when I said it. Which is why I stuck the "absolutely" in there. Because as a general rule the only absolute rule is there are no absolutes.
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Must have been some of that ''I'll just talk to myself''

stumbler said: ↑

There is no proof for people who just want to play phony games, have no personal integrity, and are getting paid to lie.
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Oh stop it Stumbler...you had me at ''hi''.

I truly hope a bipartisan committee looks further into this 'Russia/Putin/hacking/Trump must win the election' bullshit, as it was suggested.

I'm real curious as to why Obama didn't order it a few months back, why do you think that is?.

Why didn't Obama do his sworn duty to uphold the law and investigate this when it first come to light, doesn't that make you a bit suspect?

naughtyguy4u · Dec 18, 2016

Russia already has free reign with dem's in charge, the nutless wonder won't do a damn thing.

Any electoral voter who runs rogue deserves to catch the projectile of a 30-06!!

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