You'll never hear it on the liberal news, because it doesn't support their agenda. Eyewitnesses from the event are saying the anti protesters started it. The police stood by and watched in the beginning until it had gotten out of control. Maybe the cops wanted to watch the BLM folks get their asses beat for awhile.

 

You did not answer my question. Where did you hear these things? How do you know how this happened?

I suspect you are making shit up!

 

Bullshit you lying hack. You can't joke about this terrorist attack and then try to claim you don't condone it. You fucking reveled in it. You celebrated it. And then you lied about who was responsible and still won't admit it.

You are a lying hack. The provocation and violence started Friday night when the KKK marched on the University of Virginia campus which is actually the title of this thread. And what you are posting here is the false right wing propaganda coming right off the alt right and white supremacists web sites. And fake news flooding twitter.

And I did the bot test on you and you failed.

Oh no he's not just making this shit up. What he is posting and saying is very carefully crafted false right wing propaganda that the fake news bots are flooding the internet with right now to try and confuse what happened and who is responsible for it.

And they actually have to. This is exactly like the terrorist attacks in the UK and France that they freaked out about because the perpetrator was Muslim. And now they find themselves doing the exact same thing which they are celebrating and laughing about.

 

So you only listen to Twitter? Two people here posted two different articles that state he is a registered republican and a Trump supporter.

 

You keep repeating this with zero proof. Who are you trying to convince? Yourself?

 

No this isn't just twitter. This is coming straight off the alt right sites and the pro-Trump PR shops. The Trump/alt right bots and astro turf posters are trying to flood the comments sections all over the internet with these talking points trying to deflect and actually just lie like he is. This is no accident and no coincidence.

@Jdbfromnj

No ... now you just are not going to get away with these alt right PR hack lies. The provocation and violence started Friday night when the KKK had their torch light parade which they did not have a permit for and was specifically designed to provoke violence. And it was the KKK, alt right, and white supremacists who showed up in riot gear and carrying guns. They are the ones who were intent of both provoking violence and committing violence. Including the murder and attempted murder of peaceful protesters who were simply walking down a street.

And another thing you are not going to get away with is pretending you condemn that murder and violence and the person who committed it after you reveled in it, cheered it, and laughed about it. You supported that as much as the guy who drove the car.

I have been checking including the sources you claim you are seeing this stuff on and haven't found any of it. But what I am finding is a lot of fake news, deflection, and misdirection coming out of the alt right which is what you are posting.

 

Twitter and YouTube for reliable news and information ?

Really ?

Surely xnxx GD forum is much more reliable

 

The left will spin this anyway the can. The fact is Trump condemned the actions of both sides. The left wants to blame Trump by whatever means necessary. The left has incited more violence then the right, yet continue to blame Trump. Good thing most Americans don't give a fuck.

 

You are a stupid liar. It is the right that commits the most violence and always have. And Trump is embracing them and they are embracing him.


Neo-Nazi publication The Daily Stormer praised Trump's comments as "good." "He didn't attack us. He just said the nation should come together. Nothing specific against us. He said that we need to study why people are so angry, and implied that there was hate ... on both sides! So he implied the antifa [anti-fascists] are haters. There was virtually no counter-signaling of us at all. He said he loves us all. Also refused to answer a question about White Nationalists supporting him. No condemnation at all. When asked to condemn, he just walked out of the room. Really, really good. God bless him," the site declared.

 

I haven't heard any news source call this a terrorist act. I wonder why that is?

 

Because the riot wasn't a terrorist attack. It was a fight between the left and alt right. When the leftist pansies rioted after Trump was elected, was that labeled terrorism?

 

What about the dude driving his car into a group of people? Was that not a terrorist attack?

 

Actually lots of people, both Democrats and Republicans are calling it a terrorist attack because that is what it is. And about the only people trying to deny that or keep from admitting that is Trump, his supporters, and the neo Nazi white supremacists. And of course Trump's PR hacks here.

It cannot be anything else. In fact let's just do a little reality check here. What is the difference between what this neo-Nazi did and what the terrorists who used vehicles to kill people in the UK and France did?

Let's see the Trump bots and supporters answer that very simple question.

 

Im not seeing the mainstream media reffer to the incident as a terrorist attack. And im not hearing the alt right being referred to as a terrorist group. not sure why that is. They incited a riot and then one of them crashed into a group of civilians. Three people are dead and many injured as a direct result of this so called alt right protest. How could any reasonable person not call this what it is? It is a clear terrorist attack perpetrated by a terrorist group. How can it be spun any other way? Tell me that?

 

I can't tell you that. Because what we have here is a failure to admit reality. The KKK and the white supremacists have never been anything else but terrorist organizations. And what this neo-Nazi did cannot be anything else except an act of terrorism. To try and deny that is simply a refusal to accept the undeniable facts.

But take note that is what Trump and his supporters on here are actually trying to do. Deny the reality that cannot be anything else. Simply because they say so.

So who are you going to believe? The great and powerful Trump? Or your lying eyes?

 

City sued over rally permit decision


8/10/17

The city of Charlottesville and City Manager Maurice Jones are now facing a federal civil rights lawsuit that includes an allegation that “political pressure” led city officials earlier this week to waffle on whether they would provide security at a controversial rally in Emancipation Park on Saturday.

According to the lawsuit filed Thursday by the American Civil Liberties Union of Virginia and The Rutherford Institute, Police Chief Al Thomas told Unite the Right rally organizer Jason Kessler on Monday that police would provide protection at the rally.

But at a private meeting Tuesday, after the city held a news conference Monday announcing that it would provide Kessler a permit only if he moved the event about a mile away to McIntire Park, city officials told him that Thomas had “changed his mind,” the lawsuit claims.

At the Tuesday meeting, according to the lawsuit, Kessler asked why changes had been made to security … “and if this was due to political pressure. Capt. [Wendy] Lewis indicated affirmatively with her facial expression and body language.”

The city has cited concerns about security and safety as its reasons for asking the event to be relocated. At a news conference Thursday, Thomas said everyone would be protected whether they are gathered at Emancipation Park or McIntire Park.

The focus of the rally is to protest the City Council’s votes to remove the statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee and rename its former namesake park as Emancipation Park. While the topic of the statue has generated a great deal of controversy, the inclusion of pro-secessionist and white nationalist organizations at Saturday’s rally is expected to draw a greater number of counter-protests.

Authorities, residents and business owners have said they are concerned that the rally and counter-demonstrations will cause disruptions in the downtown area. In the last year, the emerging populist “alt-right” movement, which is rooted in racism and nationalism, has been met by anarchists, leftists and anti-fascist groups, sometimes violently.

Both the ACLU of Virginia and The Rutherford Institute, an Albemarle County-based civil liberties organization, issued statements about the lawsuit Thursday evening.

“The ACLU of Virginia stands for the right to free expression for all, not just those whose opinions are in the mainstream or with whom the government agrees,” said Claire Guthrie Gastañaga, executive director of the Virginia ACLU. “The city’s action is unconstitutional in that it denies Mr. Kessler and his supporters the ability to fully express their views in the location most closely associated with their message while leaving in place permits granted other organizations with opposing views.”

“Tolerance is a double-edged sword. It has to go both ways. This governmental exercise in intolerance and censorship of speech that may be distasteful to the majority of the populace is exactly what the First Amendment was intended to prevent,” said constitutional attorney John W. Whitehead, president of The Rutherford Institute.

“Ironically, it was these very same tactics that local governments attempted to use to silence First Amendment activists such as Martin Luther King Jr. and his followers and shut down their protest activities. You either believe in free speech for everyone — no matter their viewpoints — or you don’t.”

According to the lawsuit, the decision to revoke the permit for Emancipation Park is a violation of Kessler’s civil liberties because it was based on the content of the speech that will be featured at the rally.

The revocation of the permit “was based on [Kessler’s] viewpoint and was not necessary to achieve any compelling government interest, in violation of the First and Fourteenth Amendments,” the lawsuit says. “To the extent that the revocation of the permit was based on crowd size, the revocation was not narrowly tailored to a substantial government interest, and did not leave open alternative means of communication.”

A police official in charge of security Saturday said Thursday that “open source and intelligence gathering” have led the department to think that 2,000 to 6,000 people could be in attendance at the Unite the Right rally. The original application for the event estimated that 400 people would participate.

“Of course, we have estimates, but it’s really hard to predict those numbers,” said Capt. Victor Mitchell. “We have information from certain groups that are coming, but we don’t have exact numbers.”

A multi-faith clergy coalition known as Congregate Charlottesville has requested that 1,000 clergy members come to Charlottesville this weekend. Activist groups associated with the Black Lives Matter movement and political leftists are also rallying their supporters downtown Saturday to confront the right-wing rally in Emancipation Park.

Activist and University of Virginia professor Walt Heinecke has been granted a permit to hold rallies nearby at Justice and McGuffey parks.

The lawsuit says there is no estimate offered for the number of counter-protestors. Regardless, according to the suit, the city should be able to provide protection for the rally, and that Thomas earlier did not say at Monday’s news conference that his department would be “unable” to protect everyone in attendance.

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UPDATE: Federal judge sides with Kessler on emergency injunction

8/11/17
A judge in Charlottesville has sided with alt-right blogger Jason Kessler on Saturday's Unite the Right rally.

This means the rally can take place in Emancipation Park as requested by Kessler.

He filed a lawsuit against the City of Charlottesville on Thursday, citing the decision to move his rally to McIntire Park violated his First Amendment rights.

ORIGINAL:
A federal judge is considering whether to grant an injunction that would require Charlottesville to allow Jason Kessler to hold his "Unite the Right" rally on Saturday in Emancipation Park, as Kessler originally planned.

Earlier this week, city leaders announced that they would grant Kessler's permit to hold the rally, but only if he moved it to McIntire Park.

In court on Friday, Kessler's attorney, Victor Glasberg, argued that the city changed the permit location for Kessler's rally because city officials did not like Kessler's message.

As evidence for that, Glasberg pointed to a few tweets from Charlottesville Mayor Mike Signer that criticized the alt-right and encouraged people to stand against it. But Charlottesville City Attorney Craig Brown said the city manager, Maurice Jones, made the decision to move the rally, not Signer.

Brown also argued that the city gave ample reason to move the rally for public safety reasons, and that the nature of Kessler's message had nothing to do with that decision.

Glasberg also criticized the city for trying to move Kessler's permit, but not doing the same for other groups with permits to rally downtown on Saturday.

Brown said the only other permit that was granted was to a group called Peoples Action for Racial Justice, or PARJ, and the city did not see the need to change that event's location because online posts showed that less than 100 people were signed up to attend the event.

PARJ is planning to hold events from 9 a.m. to 7 p.m. at McGuffey and Justice Parks with a mission "to demonstrate against the messages of racial intolerance and hatred advocated by white nationalist groups rallying under the banner Unite the Right," according to an online description of the event.

In court, there was also extensive discussion about whether the rally would actually be safer if done in McIntire Park instead of Emancipation Park. Brown argued that McIntire Park is safer because there is more space and it would be easier to keep Kessler's supporters separate from counter-protest groups.

Both sides conceded that there are expected to be more counter-protesters at the rally than Kessler supporters.

Attorneys representing downtown businesses also testified that they were concerned about property damage if the rally is allowed to stay in Emancipation Park.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...bd5460f0d7e_story.html?utm_term=.2d0479385e8f

No matter where the event is held, there is widespread concern about what it will bring.

“I would say the mood around here is pretty grim,” said Ross Mittiga, a University of Virginia instructor who ran unsuccessfully earlier this year in the Democratic primary to unseat House Minority Leader David Toscano (D-Charlottesville). “Many people are concerned about the potential for violence this weekend.”

Richard Spencer, a leading white nationalist who led a torch-bearing rally at the Lee statue in May and who will be speaking at Saturday’s rally, says he, too, is concerned about violence, but he worries it will come from antifascists, or “antifa,” activists.

“You can’t engage the antifa in dialogue because they have proven they are willing and eager to use violence,” said Spencer, a University of Virginia graduate who now lives in Alexandria. The removal of the monuments, he said, is “a metaphor for white dispossession and the erasure of our history and culture and identity.”

Spencer said that those attending the rally should refrain from throwing the first punch, but, “obviously, if you’re attacked, defend yourself.”

Some city leaders and University of Virginia President Teresa A. Sullivan have urged counterprotesters to avoid interacting with the rallygoers and to attend alternative protest events instead. But a wide swath of counterprotesters say that’s not the right approach.

“I don’t think the ‘ignore them’ strategy is going to work,” said Jalane Schmidt, a professor at the University of Virginia who has been among those leading the call for the Lee statue to be removed, “because they’re organizing. You don’t just ignore evil and expect it to go away. That’s the coward’s way out.”

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In other words, counter-protesters don't think they have a right to peaceably assemble. The line about "the coward's way out" (regarding the advice to just ignore them, speaks VOLUMES!)

 

Too bad no one can believe anything you post. This might have been interesting if you hadn't changed everything around just to suit your lying cheating cowardly purposes.

Especially since all this took place before the terrorist attack. But if we could believe it would prove why I have always supported the ACLU.

 

Wonder how on the left have marched in mobs chanting, while raising their arms in a Nazi salute?

You do realize, JerseyBoy, that you are defending the neo-Nazis and the KKK? Does not matter who started the KKK, all that matters is that you are supporting them.

 

Yeah, I guess a dumb fuck like you doesn't know how to follow URLs.

You have my pity. About a teaspoonful.

 

wanna hear something funny as hell?
the idiot that set it all up kessler ran like a bitch when it blew up in his face while he was spouting his neonazi bullshit hate