We definitely need to revive the Philosopher's Corner thread. That was a lot of fun. "Hugh Hefner and the Playboy Philosophy . .. or, Hedonism as a lifestyle."

 

The only true pervert is perversion it's self. See when you look at the concepts a pervert is actually anyone different than yourself which is a perversion of thought.

Nietzsche illustrated it like this. In our society we still look down and chastise a young girl that gets pregant before she gets married. But what is her real crime? Having a baby? Wouldn't our species have died out a long time ago without that? So having babies can not be bad. For having sex? Well no because sex is necessary for having babies and we've already determined having babies is a good thing. But yes for having sex before she is married which we as a society say is a bad thing. So in the name of false morals we punish someone for disobeying us. Now that's not just fucked up, that's actually perverted when you think about it.

If yoiu ask me the perverts are the ones that try and repress and deny their natural sexual urges. People that explore them are doing what comes naturally, and having a lot more fun in life.

Another possible defintion for pervert: Anyone having more fun than you are.

 

so guys who are into kiddie porn are just having more fun than I am?

or stalking women, rapist?

isn't the figurative, line in the sand, needed in order to maintain some form of social stability? after all we need rules, to have rules we need hierarchy, some form of enforcement and retribution. i would not totally cast out the term.

 

You may be right but I perfer to think we need specific terms, for specific behaviors, and then understnading, treatment and/or protection from those behaviors that are harmful to others. But does someone enjoying porn or sex in it's many other varaitions make them a pervert if its just them or with other consenting adults, and apparently willing animals?

That's where the term is easily miscast in all directions, and such generalizations are useless it seems to me. And it is also in my view a term specifically designed and used for sexual repression, and as I said before that seems like a perversion of our natural selves to me.

As an example rapists are not actually sexual perverts, since the motivation for the crime is not sexual but instead motivated by violence and control. Rapists are not perverts they are violent criminals that society deserves protection from. Same with child molesters. They are pediphiles, preditors and sociopaths. And yes they need to be dealt with but not in my opinion by the hierarchy, especially the hierarchy of religion which has traditonally set several lines in the sands for perverts.

They need to be dealt with by our criminal justice system and we really ought to beef up our mental health efforts in my opinion to find out why they want to use sex to hurt others and see if that can be fixed.

If we must use the term, things don't get less perverted inside our prisons. And the problem with just locking people up is we eventually just have to let them back out again.

 

Stumbler, you and I are usually on the opposite end of discussions but I find myself pretty much in agreement with you on this one.

From the studies I have seen they have, at least to some degree determined what part of the brain is being activated by the desire to do certain things. What they have not determined is how to fix it. It has been shown that a person who chases after children will continue to do so, or at very least have that desire within them no matter what. I agree that more investigation into what causes people to do certain things is needed...go to the root, not to the bloom.

 

nope, not addicted to porn, don't really look at it half as often as I used to

 

You can't be serious?

I think you should have said it aloud a few times before turning into a thread.

All In all YOUR CRAZY

 

To each his/her own, some people like to enjoy the real thing rather than watch, I have never considered sex a spectator sport.

 

sex is a sport?

id like to see the olimpic version of that

 

Haha, no. [:

 

Good Question

Well the way I see it...It's better than reading the news paper...lol.
Besides I like Jerking off...hahahaha.
Doc.

 

You always did, Doc. how are you, mate. Been a while.

 

Trumpet

Hi Trumpet, I guess you can't keep a Old Horn Dog away...lol.
I've been pretty Bizzy lately, but found a couple of hours to rub together...so what do I do...I come here...lol.
You know if you took Porn off the internet, then no one would be using the internet...and what fun would that be?...lol.
Doc.

 

Listen to this man! Again. He's right. There's way too much porn there. It's boring, desensitising, and drives us to crave more and more extreme content.

The sheer volume of content has rendered ordinarily erotic material boring.

'I'm through with pornography
The action is tame
The acting is lame
Arousal annulled
Explicitly dull...
So sez Porcupine Tree. It's true, too.

 

So after Saw and Hostel and House of 1000 Corpses, who can watch Candyman or The Seventh Sign or The Amityville Horror and be freaked out? Media of all kinds is constantly pushing to entice new viewers be it by controversy or novelty. Porn is certainly not alone in this.

 

such an interesting discussion...

I'm actually happily surprised that anyone on this forum would have the degree of self-awareness necessary to critically reflect on this subject, given the context.
I've been viewing porn online since I was about 13/14, and definitely have grown more extreme in my tastes as I've gotten older, but often, i've found, more out of morbid curiosity than actual pleasure in, say, urination or whathaveyou. I think that the key point, as some have remarked, is having the common sense to understand the massive gap between what you see online and what you deem realizable (let alone permissable) in life as it is lived. With the exception of a few frivolous expenditures of money, and much wasted time (although I was enjoying myself, so I guess it's not wasted, really), I don't think my porn habit has been detrimental. It certainly hasn't eroded my basic code of ethics. I don't think that it is hypocritical to enjoy, say, rough sex scenes and still consider oneself a feminist (as I do). Provided that the basic respect for the Other in your viewing or real-life experience remains, I don't think sexual preference and political/ethical orientation should be seen as indissociable.
I agree with what some people have said, that the ever-increasing, ever-more extreme volume of porn on the net is the result of two factors: a market economy that rewards innovation (however slight, stupid, or wretched), and the frightening degree to which desire-sexual or otherwise- is suppressed by capitalism and monotheism (not to say, of course, that repression of desire does not occur in non-capitalist, non-monotheist societies; capitalism and monotheism just seem to exacerbate said tendency). The supposed "sickness" of some forms of pornography, while sometimes inherently debased (child porn, for example, i think is objectively immiserating to all parties involved), is more often a disturbing reflection of the urges we have within ourselves, which our society teaches are dark, unnatural, et. all. A friend of mine once said, 'can you imagine what 13 y.o. boys would do w/out Playboy and internet porn?' Point taken. Also, it's faulty to assume that the massive flow of porn online represents a debasement from a previously-held level of purity in human history. I'm a specialist in medieval history, and one of the people I'm currently doing research on had sex in church with the local priest, on the altar, the day after Christmas...people have been satisfying their urges, in whatever way, for thousands of years.
I'm not going to draw any wider conclusions, besides ones that might be inherent, or assumed to be so, in what I've said above.

 

Hello there Doc, good to see you again. Yes there should be much more porn on the internet, there aren't enough pix of cocks on this site.
Lainie

 

Very well put!

 

There is too much of anything on the net if you try to see it all. Everything in moderation now folks!

 

I don't know what too much is