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  1. ridgerunner

    ridgerunner gardener of stone

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  2. ace's n 8's

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    Fair enough.

    My State offers several different plans as well.

    Right now I am looking into a private exchange, so far I see several very cheap premiums, with fair to decent coverage.

    Chernobyl occurred due to low and or no maintenance, that pretty much was a lesson learned, that is why one of my states nuclear plant will be closing soon, they have been having problems up there

    for a the last 4 years, now they find it unreasonable to maintain the plant any longer.

    So far there are not any plans to build another one.

    With Trumps infrastructure budget coming, maybe they will.

    There are alot of places within our borders that have oil, whether its on public land or private land.

    Accessibility is the only issue that is involved in getting the oil.

    Government is meant to create incentive, that was the purpose of the general welfare clause.

    Incentive and competition will regulate the internet, it has for over 30 years, and has done real well.

    The Free Market does real well, government does not offer that free market based principle., it's more of a 'one size fits all' scenario.

    And no, as I said before, I dont understand alot things about the computer or how much of it works...but I do try.

    But what I do understand is that the internet is not a utility that needs to be regulated by the federal fucking government, and it is damn sure not a 'right' to have the internet.

    And if I remember correctly, it seems that Europe has a government regulate internet, and costs are much higher for broadband there, then they are here.

    I'm not trying or attempting to correct anyone, differing perspectives are vital to a world such as our own, no one is ever 100% right, nor 100% wrong.

    I'm in total favor of this nations form of government, I am however not in favor of many that get

    elected to represent us in government, many in the GOP I despise, and all on the left I despise as representatives.

    I give respect to the founding fathers are all they intended to provide us as a Nation.

    The federal fucking government has limited power, I truly believe that is the way it should still be today, I hold the U.S.C. very dear, and should be defended as which it was intended to be, not some horseshit

    taken out of context, to get votes in the long run, and that my friend...is my opinion.
     
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  3. ace's n 8's

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    States certainly have a say in how to regulate the drilling in most if not all cases, as it should be.

    As the 'better alternatives', that's fine.

    My problem with alternatives is the free market needs to be more involved, and the federal fucking government needs to be less involved, the government has no real need to subsidies it, not a fan of government subsidies at all.

    We seen what happened when the government helped green energy business...bankrupt.. in the end, essentially for more reason than need to be mentioned at this point.

    If it's not affordable without the government subsidies, the free market should be able to be innovated to make it more competitive, affordable and efficient for the consumer

    Agreed

    It's not me claiming that the internet is a right, it was the inter continental advocacy groups that were attempting to claim that, specifically a Soros backed and funded advocacy group.

    The internet came along way hasn't it?, folks are permitted to do so much with the internet, perhaps even too much at times.

    I'll make the claim that the reasons for that is that it's not being regulated by the federal fucking government.

    Innovation alone has created the internet that we know today.

    Fairness, in my opinion has nothing to do with creating more regulation, that's where I fall back to personal responsibility and individual choices.

    All I'm saying is the internet is not broke and the government has no reason to ''try'' to fix it.

    Not really,the definitions were made by those that endorse pro government, if it were, there wouldn't be much competition as there is today.

    Utilities are essentially a monopoly, and regulated as such, without any real competition

    According to this study, you're 100% correct, but only on the surface.

    We are really not comparing apples to apples here.

    If we look deeper, it's cheaper service due to Net Neutrality.

    Being regulated like a utility, Europe is having a hard time finding private investment, to expand the service, due to lack of incentive.

    Why would anyone want to make an investment, with no profit?

    It's also cheaper according to the study, as there really isn't a good service packages afforded with very minimal expansion, due to Net Neutrality regulations.

    If you want to have an upgraded service, one should pay for that upgraded service.
     
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  4. ace's n 8's

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    People dont want it now, for 2 reasons, it's not cheap, and it's not reliable, but again, it's fantastic as a supplemental energy source.

    Today, The U.S. has an average of 15.3 Mbps.

    The federal fucking governemnt order about 100,000 miles of additional internet infrastructure country wide.

    Yet there again, the U.S. has private sector investment assisting, Fiber optic is up and coming in the U.S., and will allow faster internet.

    So here we go back to describing the internet as a utility, to be regulated by the federal fucking government.

    Antiquated phone networks and corporate monopolies do not produce fast Internet.

    And as Tenguy stated this is the U.S. we can not compare the U.S. to many, if any countries comparibly, along with an aging infastructure.

    I say give big oil a chance to be competitive in the telecom services.

    Even the OTC (Ohio turnpike Commision) got involved in renting the center parapet walls dividing the east and west lanes to fiber optic company Level 3.
     
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  5. stumbler

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    Why didn't you answer my very simple and straight forward questions instead of posting what a bunch of other people said. That really has no bearing on what I asked or what you originally posted for that matter. Here's try again. Here are the two questions. And I am asking what the White House said about this meeting not even 24 hours after the South Koreans made their announcement from in front of the White House.

     
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      What they said publicly I imagine is different from what they said privately. I personally do not care or believe what they announce about anything in public, I want to know what's being said privately behind the closed doors, the real stuff. I think.
       
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    That is moot to the chronology of my posting BEFORE the White House said anything, which, OBTW, is following a pattern of overstatement by Trump for PR-posturing or his own undirected hyping outside the lines of his political funders and base. To that extent, I do agree with your skepticism of this development. I would hasten to add that one of his unofficial advisors, the Chinese Foreign Ministry, is for this. I'd put my bet with the Chinese (and probably Vlad the Trump whisperer) encouraging him than listening to the orthodoxy of the past.
     
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    But your chronology is quite inaccurate isn't it? Doesn't it create the false impression that Trump and/or the White House said anything at all. When the actual chronology was the South Korean diplomats making what was a truly shocking announcement that Trump had agreed to personally meet with Kim Jong Un in May and then simply walking off without taking questions. Leaving the press with no other choice than to speculate what it all means. Isn't that the true and factual chronology?

    And if that is the case should anyone in the press, liberal or otherwise, simply accepted this announcement by foreign government and unquestionably praised Trump for a great accomplishment?

    Please let's get those points straightened out first because it is quite imperative.

    And since you still can't quite seem to answer my question I will and if I am wrong you correct. This was by all accounts a very dramatic and potentially historic announcement. But wasn't the very first official statement from Trump and/or the White House the next day and then to walk back the expectations for this meeting while there were conflicting statements coming out of his administration particularly the State Department? And doesn't that justify some of the skepticism you seem to object to?


    But doesn't this just completely defeat your really inaccurate (which I will get to) premise. Aren't you in fact objecting to at least one TV personality casting aspersions on what Trump's true motives might have been but right here you validate that skeptism do you not?

    Now I am quite loath to trying to engage in a discussion that simply meanders into totally unrelated tangents that actually create a false scenario. This has nothing to do with my skepticism and I have offered none. Your OP is an attack on what you view as the "liberal press" and how you apparently think they should have reported on an announcement made by the South Korean government.

    Which I guess by your OP is that the press and commentators should have been reporting that that announcement made by the South Korean , with absolutely no official announcement made by either our government or North Korea which has still neither confirmed nor denied should have been reported as something worthy of a Nobel Peace Prize. And so I ask you is that the sort of thing a vigilant free press should do? Or is that more the realm of State Controlled media?

    I would really like you to clarify exactly what you believe the function of the press should be.

    I have not seen any approval from the Chinese at all on this. And since you have aleady demonstrated you can and will copy and paste references please to that here. And did Trump consult with the Chinese, or Putin before this announcement was made? Did he consult with any of his advisors in the White House, the State Department, the Pentagon or anyone else before he agreed to this meeting?

    And please let's not just drift off into meaningless tangents. Let's stick to what you contended in your OP because that is all I am willing to address and engage with you about.

    Such as, isn't this statement on your part totally false?


    This is not what happened at all is it? It was not a case of Kim Jong Un accepting Trump's invitation to meet was it? Wasn't the actual case that the South Koreans said Kim Jong Un would be willing to meet with Trump and Trump without consulting with anyone else accepted that invitation to meet as offered by the South Koreans not Kim Jong Un? Aren't those the actual facts? And if they are aren't you the one who is actually resorting to ad hominem spin by attacking the source instead of what the source actually said?

    Also are you confident the way Morning Joe reacted was the over all reaction to the announcement of a possible meeting? Or could the overall reaction by MSNBC and especially the mainstream media been far more nuanced and factual without having anything to do with Stormy Daniels?

    And finally I really need you to define what you mean by "the liberal press" as you put in the title to this thread? Are you simply refering to MSNBC or are you contending most of the mainstream press has a liberal bias? We really need to define how you are applying your terms before we can go on.
     
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    1-What the Chinese had to say:
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    2-The South Koreans have been orchestrating this and were allowed to make this presentation (probably, as it turned out) so to not directly be seen as bravado by Trump, plus give him the later room for his politically-needed contingencies. As I said in my last post on this, they have been playing to Trumps (and KJU's) ego in giving them the credit, with they being 'just the lucky messengers' of it all from Pyongyang to the White House lawn.
    The 'chronology' I was referring to was my placement of the post BEFORE the White House and Tillerson put out their caveats.

    3-If you happen to have MSNBC on the prior evening, my impression was a dismissive tone that was affirmed by their email which I used to frame the assertion of my post.

    Those THREE are the only things that relate to the accuracy of what I have posted so far about this, as you cherry-picked my reply to you for your answer to my reply
     
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  9. Mayling

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    As long as the cherries are picked by hand and have been grown organically I think its ok to cherry pick.
     
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    I will have to address this section in more detail tomorrow


    This really doesn't have anything to do with what I said I was willing to engage with you on. My argument is based on your OP. And Whether the South Koreans or the Chinese (your sources seem to contradict you here) orchestrated the meeting has nothing to do with "Liberal Media Bias I Must Point Out" and you seem to be dodging what you yourself said.

    But this does create one more question. Would you say from just your own observations that Trump ever hesitates to exercise bravado?

    But aren't you now engaging in exactly what you accuse Morning Joe of doing. Simply speculating on things that are not in evidence and making up your own motivations?

    But your chronology is incorrect isn't it as I clearly pointed out by your direct quote? In fact when Morning Joe made their statement the White House or Trump had still not made any statement. Isn't that correct?

    I watched All In with Chris Hayes, Rachel Maddow, Lawrence O'Donnell and the 11th Hour with Brian Williams no I did not get a dismissive tone at all and certainly don't recall any mention of Stormy Daniels. What I saw was stunned reporting and then with nothing else to go on analysis of whether this was a wise move by Trump because I think you are creating a false impression of how MSNBC actually responded specifically and the MSM generally. Which is one of the reasons I wanted to engage you on this topic because I think you are creating a false impression

    And don't you have a direct contradiction here? You claim Morning Joe was engaged in ad hominem spin and yet you say you that is affirmed by an email. Did you actually watch Morning Joe? Or are you basing this on a promotional email?


    How could I possibly "cherry pick" anything when I took your own actual words and responded to every statement you made? Please show me how I did that and give some specific examples.

    Because I think the one engaging in obvious cherry picking is the one who will not answer specific questions about what you yourself said. Why is that? Because as I said I do not believe you want to honestly engage in this discussion with any real intellectual integrity.
     
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    The funny thing is, green energy has been used, well, actually for thousands of years.

    Sailing vessels have used wind power.

    Ancient Egyptians used solar power out the ass, along with Hydro.

    Green energy is not a new development, People have used several forms of green energy forever, and they used it as a prime source of energy.

    And with the discovery of abandoned oil filed recharging themselves, naturally, from greater depths, I find it hard to fathom that the world will run out of oil.
     
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    I compared how today's news reporters get emotional to easy and guys like Walter and Dan would report on JFK his brother Dr.King and Vietnam with little emotion and just the facts.
     
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    I will have to address these individually as I am actually reading them and I have to wonder if you did. For instance in my previous post I mentioned that the sources you provided in some instances appear to contradict your contention that the Chinese foreign ministry approved of this meeting. Which in some cases they obviously appear to but in others such as this one I think it provides ample evidence that instead of the press in general or MSNBC in particular having a liberal anti Trump bias they are simply reporting and commenting on the known facts in a situation that could be a great accomplishment for Trump but also carries great risks if he fails. And once again I think it is obvious that you create a false impression of how the press actually reported on the announcement of the meeting with Kim Jong Un by conflating opinion pieces and news reporting such as the opinion piece you linked here. So let's look at some of those shall we?

    Obviously this accurately recounts the development up until now and gives Trump credit where credit is due wouldn't you say?

    Is this a valid question? And if you see "liberal" bias please point it out.

    Now I would contend this is an imparative thing to document. You seem to contend that Trump and Kim Jong Un are in line for a Nobel Peace Prize but I don't think it can be understated that on something as monmental and fraught with risks as a meeting between Trump and Kim Jong Un is the Trump administration is making contradictory and conflicting statements.

    Is that acceptable to you? Should the press ignore this and simply praise Trump?

    Would you say that noting these realities represent liberal or anti-Trump bias? And if so why?

    Would you say these are accurate statements or liberal anti-Trump bias?

    And again is this thoughtful and worth analysis and valid question or simply liberal/anti Trump bias?

    Now specifically since you targeted MSNBC in your OP please explain what liberal bias you perceive in this commentary?

    And once again please elaborate on what you consider the liberal bias you believe is present in the source you provided because it obviously never even mentions China's foreign ministry approval of this announced meeting.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...comes-hard-part-editorials-debates/414651002/

    And again please explain why you want to conflate opinion pieces with news reporting of events?

    PS I think it is also imperative that you answer some of the questions I have asked you. The most important of which right now is: Define what you mean by "the liberal press" as you put in the title to this thread? Are you simply referring to MSNBC or are you contending most of the mainstream press has a liberal bias?
     
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    It's tough to pick on side against the other I voted for trump just cause Clinton was so fake it made me pick but I'm in the 90% of peaple that think everyone in Washington are a bunch of crooks and are out for themselfs what a collective bunch of assholes when can we go back to representives speak for the people who voted for them
     
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      I think its all the way down to the city dog catcher in the town !!!
       
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