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  1. shootersa

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    Trump would need his passport to leave the country. His diplomatic passport gives him important legal and procedural considerations just about anywhere he might go outside the United States.
    Now, If all the despicable propaganda is to be believed, Putin would welcome Trump with open arms.
    But, one has to be delusional to believe even 10% of the smear offered by despicables over the last 7 years. Even despicables as rabid as dog don't believe Trump sold out to Putin. It's just propaganda yammer.

    No, the issue about Trump's passports is that
    a) By no stretch of the imagination would his passports fall within the directives placed on the FBI by the search warrant.
    b) Even if there was good reason to seize Trump's passports, they were not listed in the inventory of seized items.

    The troubling question raised by this omission is; what else did agents seize that they failed to include in the inventory, and why did they do that? It is not believable to say it was oversight on their part. It was an intentional seizure and an intentional act of omission NOT to list the passports on the inventory.

    The problem is that the agents gave Trump's lawyers a clear and obvious course to have not only the warrant itself challenged, but all of the seized items and anything that comes from the search and the seizure banned from any legal proceeding.

    Get that? The agents acts and omissions invalidate the search and the seizure, and all but guarantee that any possible case against Trump cannot now be pursued.

    Why would they do that, one must ask?
     
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      See, toniter, Shooter is trying to educate folks on this stuff because it's important.
      You don't have to take Shooters word for it, a 5 minute search with Google will confirm what Shooter is posting here.

      Shooter knows about search warrant procedure because he had to do affidavits for search warrants, and execute the warrants he got and return the warrant with the inventory to the court.
      Been there done that.
      Now, if Shooter, just a local cop, spotted these problems almost as soon as the warrant and inventory were released, you think any first year law student won't spot them?
      Shooter isn't a lawyer, just a cop for a few years a long fucking time ago.
      Don't believe Shooter. Go look for yourself.
      And ask yourself two questions;
      1) Why would FBI agents and DOJ lawyers do such a thing?
      2) Why hasn't the media picked up on this and raised the questions?
       
      shootersa, Aug 22, 2022
    3. toniter
      Could it be the feds have different methods than local? You think something this important would be screwed up so bad that even an ex-local cop could see it? Maybe you're pretty damn smart or they're pretty damn stupid. Who to believe? A basically good guy who rails and rails on the politics threads of a porn site...or the federal court approved work of the Federal Bureau of Investigation?? I'll hold my judgement just because we're good friends.
       
      toniter, Aug 22, 2022
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    4. shootersa
      See, Search Warrants are a big law issue. We learned all about searches and what we could do and so forth.

      Now, the thing is, case law applies to the local sheriff as equally as it does the FBI.

      Not listing something seized on the inventory is a big issue, because it raises the question of what else was taken and not listed. Shooter isn't saying the FBI took Melania's underwear, but you can bet Trump's attorneys will be raising the issue.

      One other thing; Shooter spotted this when he saw the warrant and the inventory, right here on this forum. And the omission is as obvious as it can be. Now, if an ex cop spotted it, you think trump's attorneys missed it, or the FBI missed it?
      Shooter doesn't.

      Which raises the question, what the fuck is this all about? The search is all but invalidated because of all this, and no one is talking about it.

      Why?
       
      shootersa, Aug 22, 2022
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      Hey @shootersa if you are a cop as you claim and had to fill out affidavits for search warrants should those affidavits be released? Is that how you did it? File affidavits for search warrants and then hand the affidavits over to the defendants before they have even been charged?
       
      stumbler, Aug 23, 2022
    6. shootersa
      Never did, but the opportunity never presented itself.
      An affidavit is generally part of discovery once charges are filed. They are rarely redacted.
      This isn't a communist dictatorship and legal proceedings aren't carried out in secrecy.
      Well, except nancy Antoinette's star chamber thingy.
       
      shootersa, Aug 23, 2022
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    Lets compare inventories of seized property from search warrants, shall we?

    The inventory from the FBI search at Mar a Lago;
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    And from a Pennsylvania search. Pretty much all states and the Feds follow the same requirements because they are derived from a couple of centuries of case law.
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    Anybody here really think the inventory provided by the FBI will survive a legal challenge?
     
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    Tonighter asked, But how do you know the passports weren't to be taken? How can you know so much about FBI search warrant procedure? How do you know they weren't listed in the inventory of seized items?

    Hopefully this is you asking a legitimate question and not pulling an @Anon by playing stupid...

    In Viral Tweet, CBS’s Norah O’Donnell Parrots DOJ Lie That FBI Didn’t Steal Trump’s Passports
    https://thefederalist.com/2022/08/1...oj-lie-that-fbi-didnt-steal-trumps-passports/

    O’Donnell, who admitted she was amplifying a narrative fed to CBS by an unnamed Department of Justice official, however, confidently tweeted that “the FBI is NOT in possession of former President Trump’s passports” even though “Trump has accused the FBI of stealing his three passports during the search of his Mar-a-Lago home.”

    As several news sources indicated, Trump’s passports were not named in the search warrant nor itemized on the FBI’s property receipt but were ultimately taken by federal agents.

    An email sent hours before O’Donnell’s tweet from Jay Bratt, the chief of the counterintelligence and export control section in the DOJ’s National Security Division, confirms that “the filter agents seized three passports belonging to President Trump, two expired and one being his active diplomatic passport” during the raid last week.

    “We are returning them, and they will be ready for pickup at WFO at 2 pm today,” Bratt wrote.
     
    1. toniter
      so, ya they were taken and now returned. But my question is how do you know they weren't to be taken at the time of the search? Has the search inventory to be taken been released to the public?
       
      toniter, Aug 22, 2022
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      so, ya they were taken and now returned. But my question is how do you know they weren't to be taken at the time of the search?

      The FBI has admitted that the passports were not a part of the warrant and they have returned them. Former US Attorney Brett Tolman was shocked by this move and called it an “outrageous overreach.”

      Brett said: “If true, this is an outrageous overreach. Passports can be ordered by a court seized once an individual is indicted based upon concerns they may be a flight risk. I have never seen passports seized pursuant to search warrant except where the target used fake passports.”
       
      Scotchlass, Aug 22, 2022
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    They squirm, these despicables, when faced with inconvenient facts, eh?
     
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      Hey, c'mon. I'm not squirming.
       
      toniter, Aug 22, 2022
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      or are you just trying to get a rise out of us? LOL
       
      toniter, Aug 22, 2022
  5. anon_de_plume

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    And for all the work in writing this post, you could have included just one link.

    Ok.
     
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  6. anon_de_plume

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    Steal? Interesting propaganda! Most people that steal things don't give them back.
     
    1. Scotchlass
      I guess, of anyone here, you would be the one to know what happens with stolen property...
       
      Scotchlass, Aug 22, 2022
    2. anon_de_plume
      If that's the best you got, give it up. If you're going to make shit up, at least try to be original.
       
      anon_de_plume, Aug 22, 2022
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    3. stumbler
      Trump stole pr4esidental records in violation of the Presidential Records Act. That is undeniable.
       
      stumbler, Aug 23, 2022
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      Owww, that really hurt!
      The only thing missing is stumbles liking it.
       
      Scotchlass, Aug 23, 2022
  7. shootersa

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    Did you read the warrant, @toniter ?
    The property to be seized was;
    "All physical documents and records constituting evidence, contraband, fruits of crime, or other items illegally possessed in violation of 18 U.S.C. §§ 793, 2071 , or 1519, including the following: a. Any physical documents with classification markings, along with any containers/boxes (including any other contents) in which such documents are located, as well as any other containers/boxes that are collectively stored or found together with the aforementioned documents and containers/boxes; b. Information, including communications in any form, regarding the retrieval, storage, or transmission of national defense information or classified material; c. Any government and/or Presidential Records created between January 20, 2017, and January 20, 2021; or d. Any evidence of the knowing alteration, destruction, or concealment of any government and/or Presidential Records, or of any documents with classification markings."
    By what possible stretch of imagination would Trump's expired/diplomatic passports fit into the description above?
    They don't.
    And even if, by some stretch, a case could be made that seizing his passports was within the bounds of the warrant, the passports were not listed in the inventory of seized property. That is a very big violation of FBI regulations and the law. It raises the question; what else did they take and not list on the inventory?

    And why would they do that? Even a rookie still in the academy would know how serious the violation is.
    It jeopardizes the case against trump.
    Why would they do that do you suppose?
     
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      Allegedly stole.
      See, @stumbler, your problem is your delusion.
      These weren't hick sherriffs in back country Wyoming. They KNEW they had no business taking those passports. And they intentionally did not list them in the inventory. Why did they do that, do you suppose?
      They had to know it provides a legitimate reason to invalidate the warrant, the search and anything that comes out of it.
      Thats the big deal.
      Trump could get away with espionage.
      Thats the big deal.
       
      shootersa, Aug 23, 2022
  8. shootersa

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    So, first of all, @toniter do you REALLY think Trump stores his passports in boxes in the basement?
    Fine. Lets say he does. Lets have some fun, shall we?

    The FBI had to open the box to find the passports.
    They took those passports knowing full well they weren't covered by the search warrant.
    Then they didn't list them on the inventory.

    Lets imagine the judge asking the FBI agents about this.
    Where were the passports?
    In a box.
    Which box?
    Um, the one marked A-1.
    What else was in the box?
    Some documents.
    What kind of documents?
    Um, not sure.
    Why not?
    Well, we took the box, so whatever was in it.
    But you took out the passports?
    Well, um, yes.
    Why?
    It seemed like a good idea at the time.
    Why didn't you list them in the inventory when you took them out?
    We forgot.
    What else did you take that isn't listed in the inventory?
    Nothing.
    And we know that how?

    You see the problem, toniter?
    Trumps attorneys have a great case for tossing the entire search and everything they took and everything that flows from this.
    Those agents aren't that stupid.
    They did it intentionally, and Shooter is curious why they did that.
     
    1. toniter
      "Those agents aren't that stupid.
      They did it intentionally, and Shooter is curious why they did that."

      Couldn't agree more.
       
      toniter, Aug 22, 2022
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    Shooter is wondering, maybe those agents took those passports and didn't list them on the inventory knowing it would blow the entire search up.
    Now, why would they do that?
    Maybe because they didn't want a case against trump to go forward?
    Or maybe because they got paid to do that?
    Or maybe because they were ordered to do that?

    Not from stupid.
    Guaranteed.
    You don't put your stupid people or your rookies on a search like this.
    Do you.
     
    1. toniter
      Easy. Starting to sound like a conspiracy theory.
      ...and the moon landing?
       
      toniter, Aug 22, 2022
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    2. shootersa
      Speculating.
       
      shootersa, Aug 23, 2022
  10. anon_de_plume

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    Jesus Fuck, how many times do I have to say that I would like to know exactly what incident you are talking about because I can't read your mind! You just keep throwing it around this "anonymous leaks", but you won't say which specific thing that I'm supposed to know about...

    So once again, you make this long post without referring to anything, when it would have taken two seconds to include a link.

    Again, I'm not a mind of reader, which incidents are you referring to?
     
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    1. shootersa
      No, definitely not a mind reader.
      Would need a mind, eh?
      :)
       
      shootersa, Aug 23, 2022
    2. Scotchlass
      This was posted earlier, but I guess you missed it. This is exactly the kind of "unnamed, high level source familiar with the raid" I was talking about. Anonymous sources and one sided leaks...
      There are multiple examples of this out there.

      And yeah, one needs a mind to be a mind reader:)
       
      Scotchlass, Aug 23, 2022
    3. anon_de_plume
      And you pretend that right wing sources don't use anonymous sources. You only get upset when the left uses anonymous sources.

      Just curious, but do you specifically NOT post articles from right wing sources that use anonymous sources?
       
      anon_de_plume, Aug 23, 2022
    4. shootersa
      Try to focus.
      You demanded an example from scotchlass. She gave you one. How about addressing that before you switch channels?
      You can do that simple thing, right?
       
      shootersa, Aug 23, 2022
  11. stumbler

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    Ok I am not sure billions watched MyPillowGuy's great reveal where he was going to absolutely prove massive voter fraud. But Greene remains convinced he must have.


    'You probably lost friends': Marjorie Taylor Greene rallies election deniers for Mike Lindell

    David Edwards
    August 21, 2022


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    Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene speaking at the 2021 AmericaFest at the Phoenix Convention Center in Phoenix, Arizona, Gage Skidmore


    Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) encouraged supporters of MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell over the weekend to continue funding his crusade to overturn the 2020 presidential election.

    On the second day of Lindell's "Moment of Truth Summit" in Springfield, Missouri, Greene introduced a portion of the program suggesting that voting machines were used to steal the election from then-President Donald Trump.

    "The reason why I came here is I've recently gotten really tired of being told 'Marjorie, don't talk about the election,'" the lawmaker explained. "But it's not only Mike Lindell is the reason that I'm here."

    "You have worked tirelessly because you care so much about our country and you know what is at stake," Greene insisted. "You know how important this is. And so you have poured money and time you didn't have and of course money you didn't have, you have probably lost friends, maybe you lost a job, maybe you've lost faith at times but you've found it again and you keep fighting."

    Greene said that she was thankful that people "continue to care" about "what went wrong" in the 2020 election.

    "We can't have a future that protects our Constitution and our freedoms and our American way of life and gives all of us an opportunity if we do not protect our elections!" she exclaimed. "And so this is a very important day and I'll go ahead and let you know, you're going to find out a lot of information. I don't know what it is."

    "But we'll find out together," Greene concluded. "We'll go ahead a let the trial of the machines begin."

    Lindell devoted the next several hours of the broadcast to presenting evidence against voting machines. He is facing defamation lawsuits from several manufacturers of the election systems.

    Watch the video below.

    https://www.rawstory.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-mike-lindell/
     
  12. anon_de_plume

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    Can't use the forum tools how they were designed? Your becoming like shooter, your trying to obfuscate the discussion by making it difficult to follow the discussion!

    Good for you!
     
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      You see @Scotchlass @anon_de_plume loves to get sidetracked on the "proper use of forum tools" cause its a great excuse for him not understanding discussions a high school student can follow.
       
      shootersa, Aug 23, 2022
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      LOL! It's not about me, but about people that happen to read this thread.

      But hey, go ahead and make it about me, it's what you do best.
       
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    4. shootersa
      Attaboy, play that victim card.
      Whats next, the personal attack card and then shooter plays the village idiot card and another thread crashes?
       
      shootersa, Aug 23, 2022
    5. anon_de_plume
      I say it's not about me, but you still say I'm playing the victim.

      And wasn't it just a few short weeks ago that you complained about redefining words?
       
      anon_de_plume, Aug 23, 2022
    6. shootersa
      Wait.
      We went from "improper use of forum tools" to "not about me" to "redefining words?"
      Did you take your ADHD meds?:)

      *expects victim card next, or maybe space alien crack​
       
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  13. anon_de_plume

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    And how many times are we good that it's not about overturning the 2020 election...
     
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      Told not good...
       
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    Typical repuke hypocrisy from Marjorie Taylor Green and other trumptards like her.
     
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    One of the methods of operation for treasonous conservative/America Hating/Republicans is psychological projection where they falsely accuse others of what they are actually guilty of themselves. So the short cut is whatever they say the opposite is the truth.

    When Greene says "Constitution," she means I don't believe a word of it and won't live under it. When she says "freedoms" she means fascism. When she says "American way of life" she means American Taliban forcing Sharia Law for Christians on everyone else. And when she says "protect our elections!" she means end free and fair elections in the US once and for all.
     
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    attagirl
     
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    Help us out here american hater.
    We see where the despicables wanted to redefine "recession" and "inflation" and "covid" and "poverty". Now we're redefining "constitution" and "freedoms" and "American way of life" and "protect our elections"?

    Is there a link or a dictionary you can point us to so we can decode whatever spew it is you're pushing?
     
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    stumbler should know...After all, that tactic is right out of the DemoCrypts playbook...
     
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      LOL, what they are or might be now has no bearing on what happened in the thirties...

      Butler still supported Roosevelt, and he railed against capitalism. You did read his book "War is a Racket!"?
       
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      anon asked, You did read his book "War is a Racket!"

      No, but I glanced at the Cliff Notes, Instructor version of it and I stayed at the Holiday Inn last night!!
      Butler did not necessarily support Roosevelt, but he did support the Constitution.
      And the kind of Capitalism he railed against then, we would call Crony Capitalism now...

      Butler would hate the politics of both sides now and their military adventurism (like Ukraine):
      “What business is it of ours whether Russia or Germany or England or France or Italy or Austria live under democracies or monarchies? Whether they are Fascists or Communists? Our problem is to preserve our own democracy. And very little, if anything, has been accomplished to assure us that the World War was really the war to end all wars.”
       
      Scotchlass, Aug 24, 2022
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      Trying to speak for him now? Funny how you rail against anonymous sources, but you are completely acceptable in making up your own shit...
       
      anon_de_plume, Aug 26, 2022
    5. Scotchlass
      I am pretty sure that when the man said:

      “What business is it of ours whether Russia or Germany or England or France or Italy or Austria live under democracies or monarchies? Whether they are Fascists or Communists? Our problem is to preserve our own democracy. And very little, if anything, has been accomplished to assure us that the World War was really the war to end all wars.”


      ...he would not support what is happening now as we give aide to Ukraine to fight Russia.
      Pretty damn sure.
      You don't think so, your prerogative. Not worth arguing about.
       
      Scotchlass, Aug 26, 2022
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      Like I said, you don't know what he would say.
       
      anon_de_plume, Aug 26, 2022
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    And apparently hes not taking meds.
    At least its the most reasonable explanation for how he hops from topic to topic and then just stands in one spot, twirls, stamps his foot and screams.
     
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    Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene says she was 'swatted' at her home
    Floyd County police have yet to confirm the swatting attack on Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene.

    Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga., says he was "swatted" at her home at 1 a.m. on Wednesday.

    Greene made the announcement on Twitter and thanked law enforcement for handling the situation professionally. The term "swatting" refers to the illegal practice of making false police reports in an attempt to get law enforcement to raid the home of an innocent person.

    "Last night, I was swatted just after 1 a.m.," Greene wrote on Wednesday morning. "I can't express enough gratitude to my local law enforcement here in Rome, Floyd County."
    "More details to come," she added.

    Greene has yet to elaborate further on what happened. The Floyd County Police Department did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

    Reports say an unknown individual called 911 and falsely reported that a man had been shot multiple times in a bathtub at Greene's home. The Rome Police Department dispatched five officers, who were informed they were going to Greene's house while in transit, according to CNBC.

    Greene responded when they knocked on the door and assured them everything was safe in the house. Police reportedly conducted a brief search of the home and found nothing amiss.

    The caller then made a second, voice-masked call to the police department, stating that they made the false report in reaction to Greene's stance on the transgender movement, according to the outlet.
     
    1. stumbler
      Just for the record there is nothing funny about swatting and whoever did it needs to be tracked down and prosecuted. People have been killed when police responded to false swatting calls. Admittedly most of them were Black. But it doesn't matter who it is. That is a stupid, and dangerous thing to do and should not be tolerated.
       
      stumbler, Aug 26, 2022