Pelosi would not be president. The line of succession is only there in cases of emergency.

 

You are entitled to your opinion. Not your facts.

 

So if the election had not been certified on jan. 6 who would be president?
Trumps term expired, biden isn't certified the winner.
Who is president?

 

In my opinion, the entire electoral college should be scrapped.... at the very least, it needs a tremendous overhaul. I've heard we are the only democracy in the world with such a bizarre system.

 

Trump lost the popular vote to Hillary by a little less than 3 million. Only in 1824, 1876, 1888 and 2000, did this happen.

Of course little big man Trump once raged against the electoral college.

 

And back on topic.

"She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery – the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits – a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time. Her institutions and geographical position established the strongest ties between her and other slave-holding States of the confederacy. Those ties have been strengthened by association." - Texas (1861)

 

U.S. Constitution - Twelfth Amendment | Resources | Constitution Annotated | Congress.gov | Library of Congress
Twelfth Amendment
The Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;–the President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;–The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. [And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President.–]The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

So in the despicable conspiracy world Pence doesn't certify the election, or at least does not certify Trump as the winner. The 12th amendment addresses what happens when no candidate has a majority of votes. It does not address what happens if the electoral college vote is never certified.
US Code Title 3, Section 16 details that in a joint session of congress the electoral college votes shall be certified and counted, and the result announced. There is no mention of how to proceed if Congress, for any reason, fails to complete and certify the count. President Trump's term in office ended on January 20th. After that date he would not be President and Pence would not be Vice President. No successor would have been determined. That would force the activation of the 25th amendment for rules of succession, and that would mean Nancy Antoinette would be president.

Now, if Pence had followed Trump's orders as outlined in the despicable conspiracy theory, he would have worked the certification and counting process to have Trump declared winner and the whole mess would have been decided, eventually, by the supreme court who would have to sort out if Pence and Congress had done what the constitution and the law required of them.

The whole despicable conspiracy theory rests on the idea that Trump somehow communicated with his supporters that he wanted them to march over to the capital, take control, and stop Congress. Meanwhile, he had his minons in select states jury up fake elector certifications and their job was to substitute the fakes for the real certifications. Those would be submitted to Congress when the real certifications were objected to, and Trump would win. In a process that Trump's other minions were to stop.

And somewhere in all this Trump was going to march arm in arm with his loyal supporters to the capital, and eventually to the white house, where he would take his rightful place on the throne and remain there for the rest of his life as dictator. And this coup would be enforced on us by his armed supporters who had taken the capital and, presumably congressional hostages, heavily armed with a few guns, flag poles, and a sack of pipe bombs. The suggestion that the military would be loyal to Trump and support his coup is unsupported by evidence and is in fact disproven by statements coming from military leaders.

The sleazy events of January 6 at the nation's capital was a riot. It was not a coup. The perpetrators have been identified and are being prosecuted under the law. Justice has been served.

What remains is the Nancy Antoinette star chamber proceeding that has been given the mission of destroying, once and for all, a Trump run at the oval office in 2024. It is a mission without a need. Trump could no more obtain the despicable nomination for president than could Liz Cheney. Should Trump still run, he could not win. The star chamber proceeding is only managing to reveal the desperation and the levels to which despicables are willing to sink to get Trump. But we already knew that from the Kavanaugh thingy.

 

The more you try to ignore simple reality and overwhelming evidence the longer your posts get trying to baffle with bullshit when a simple question you won't answer is proof. How many states sent in fake Electors?

 

attaboy.
dismissed.

 

"Slavery was without a doubt the occasion for secession" - Alexander H. Stephens

 

Savannah, Georgia, March 21, 1861
"Cornerstone Speech," by Confederate Vice President Alexander H. Stephens

But not to be tedious in enumerating the numerous changes for the better, allow me to allude to one other though last, not least. The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution African slavery as it exists amongst us the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution...

This idea, though not incorporated in the constitution, was the prevailing idea at that time. The constitution, it is true, secured every essential guarantee to the institution while it should last, and hence no argument can be justly urged against the constitutional guarantees thus secured, because of the common sentiment of the day. Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the government built upon it fell when the "storm came and the wind blew."

Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.

https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/cornerstone-speech#:~:text=In his March 21, 1861,in the American Civil War.

 

"They see that the slaves in their present condition in the South are comfortable and happy; they see them advancing in intelligence; they see the kindest relations existing between them and their masters; they see them provided for in age and sickness, in infancy and in disability; they see them in useful employment. - Jefferson Davis

 

And how am I wrong?

 

The line of succession applies any time the President cannot serve.
If the electoral college vote was not certified as provided for in the 12th amendment et al, then Trump's presidency would end on January 20 and there would be no succeeding president without the election being certified.
There would be no vice president for the same reason.
The line of succession would then apply, and Nancy Pelosi would be president.

The argument that Congress would elect the president would not apply. That process applies only when no candidate gets a majority of electoral college votes.

 

Then explain why Gerald Ford was nominated by Nixon to replace Spiro Agnew, instead of the speaker becoming the vice president!

 

It is not shooters job to sort through your spew to try and understand what it is that has you triggered.

The fuck are you on about now?

 

And once again you are just babbling things you don't even know.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/20/politics/trump-pence-election-memo

 

@stumbler
Did you not read shooters post, you know, all the way to the end?

"The argument that Congress would elect the president would not apply. That process applies only when no candidate gets a majority of electoral college votes.
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If the despicable theory of the electoral college certification being disrupted by trump and his minions at the capital is followed to its logical conclusion then pelosi would be president.
No certification, no president.
You can see that now, can't you?

 

Gotta love it. Whenever shooter can't answer, he immediately claims you're triggered and clapped his hands, "I'm done with you!"

Ok, space alien!

 

No, really.
The fuck does the replacement of the VICE PRESIDENT have to do with the 25th, or for that matter, the 12th?

Personal attack dismissed.