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  1. shootersa

    shootersa Frisky Feline

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    Well how can shooter ignore the thread patrol when two of them show up?????

    But the question still remains, doesn't it?

    What was Biden doing with CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS?
     
    1. conroe4
      In an unlocked room paid for by the chinese. hmmm????
       
      conroe4, Jan 11, 2023
    2. toniter
      Well, that's a good question. Eventhough he had the necessary clearances, what are the docs and why did he possess them needs to be answered.
       
      toniter, Jan 11, 2023
  2. anon_de_plume

    anon_de_plume Porn Star

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    And if Biden's own people hadn't fessed up, no one would have ever known about this. Far more than you can stay about Trump. He still thinks this documents being to him!
     
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    1. shootersa
      And the question still remains; what was Biden doing with them in the first place?
      All the rest is just fluff on your snowflake whining.
      Poorly spelled and punctuated fluff, Shooter is forced to point out ............:)
       
      shootersa, Jan 11, 2023
  3. stumbler

    stumbler Porn Star

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    I actually forgot the first and most important differences between Trump and all other presidents. Trump was told by the White House Counsel's office before he even left the White House that he was hording government records subject to the Presidential Records Act and if he took them he could be charged with crimes. And he stole them anyway.


    Archives says documents were not returned even though White House counsel said Trump should hand them over
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    Updated 8:20 AM EDT, Thu August 25, 2022




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    Trump-era records were not returned to the government during the waning days of Donald Trump’s presidency despite a determination by his White House counsel that they should be, according to an email that National Archives and Records Administration chief counsel Gary Stern sent to Trump’s lawyers in May 2021.

    The contents of the email were confirmed to CNN by a source familiar with the matter. The Washington Post first reported on the email.




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    What's next in the fight over the Mar-a-Lago FBI search affidavit

    Stern wrote in the email, “It is also our understanding that roughly two dozen boxes of original presidential records were kept in the Residence of the White House over the course of President Trump’s last year in office and have not been transferred to NARA, despite a determination by Pat Cipollone in the final days of the administration that they need to be. I had also raised this concern with Scott in the final weeks.”




    Cipollone, along with his former deputy Patrick Philbin, were designated by Trump shortly before he left office to deal with the issues related to his presidential records.

    CNN has not been able to reach Cipollone for comment on the email.

    The newly reported email underscores the efforts by the National Archives, charged with collecting and sorting presidential material, to retrieve Trump-era documents as an investigation into the handling of presidential records heats up. The FBI executed a search warrant at the former President’s Florida residence earlier this month, with federal agents removing boxes of material from the property.

    The National Archives has previously said at least 15 boxes of White House records were recovered from Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort in January – including some that were classified. And in its search earlier this month, the FBI recovered 11 sets of classified documents, including some materials marked as “top secret/SCI” – one of the highest levels of classification.

    CNN has previously reported that the Archives had been working throughout 2021 to get presidential records back from Trump.

    According to the source familiar with the matter, there were about a dozen emails and calls over the course of the year as the Archives tried to get Trump to return the presidential documents.

    In the final weeks of the administration, the National Archives was aware that it was looking for certain documents because the White House Records office alerted the Archives that they had never received them from the president’s team – including the map of Hurricane Dorian that Trump infamously altered with a Sharpie marker, the letter from former President Barack Obama to Trump and the Kim Jong Un “love letters.”

    The Archives was aware that White House records management had identified documents were missing even before Trump left office, according to the source.

    Furthermore, the Archives was aware of the two dozen boxes in the residence even while Trump was in office, the source said.

    But there was no inventory or documentation of what exactly was in those boxes.

    Shortly after Trump left office, the negotiations for return of the documents between the Archives and Trump’s team began, according to the source familiar. There were repeated phone calls and communications to try to get the boxes back, but to no avail, the source said.

    Finally, in January 2022, Trump agreed to return 15 boxes – not the 24 boxes the Archives were aware of – that were being kept at his residence at Mar-a-Lago – boxes that the Archives determined contained classified documents.

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/24/politics/national-archives-email-cipollone-trump-documents/index.html
     
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  4. shootersa

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    Well, but what was Biden doing with them in the first place?
     
    1. toniter
      I expect we'll find out pretty soon.
       
      toniter, Jan 11, 2023
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    2. conroe4
      A very thinly veiled method of passing top secret information to the Chinese. Biden sold this country out for personal gain.
      He's the slimiest person in America.
       
      conroe4, Jan 11, 2023
  5. anon_de_plume

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    And I'm sure they will be asking a lot of questions of the man who brought this to their attention.
     
  6. stumbler

    stumbler Porn Star

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    And here is another difference between Biden's classified documents and Trump's. The leading theory right now is the documents were mis-labled and packed by staff in error when President Biden was leaving office as VP. In other words it was an honest mistake and President Biden didn't even know they were there.

    But Trump can make no such excuse. He was told not to take the documents and he did anyway. And there is no doubt he knew some of the most top secret material we have was in his possession because they found some of them mixed in with his private papers and passports.
     
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    1. toniter
      And he ignored all requests to return them by the National Archives. The FBI had to obtain a warrant to sieze them.
       
      toniter, Jan 11, 2023
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    2. stumbler
      The National Archives notified Trump even before he left the White House they were looking for missing presidential records. The White Counsel told Trump he had to hand the documents he was hording over to the National Archives and that he could be charged with crimes if he didn't. and And Trump still stole them.
       
      stumbler, Jan 12, 2023
  7. shootersa

    shootersa Frisky Feline

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    Ah.
    So, the real issue isn't that a former president has classified documents.
    The number of documents is an issue.
    How quickly or even if they voluntarily return them is an issue.

    Is that what drives the despicable moral outrage engine?
     
    1. toniter
      I think the issue is that the former president was told that taking documents was not permited when leaving office but he took them anyway; the volume of documents was substantial, to say the least; he ignored repeated demands to return them; The docs were stored improperly; he lied when he said all docs had been returned; the FBI had to obtain a warrant to retrieve them.
      That's what seems to be driving most Americans outrage.
       
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  8. shootersa

    shootersa Frisky Feline

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    So, just the fact that he had classified documents at all isn't the key issue any longer?
     
    1. toniter
      Yes and no. He took the docs having been told it was unlawful to do so. Then he refused to give them all back. The FBI had to obtain a warrant to take them back. So, yes, having the docs was a key issue but not returning them was an even greater issue. Some call it obstruction.
       
      toniter, Jan 11, 2023
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    2. shootersa
      @toniter;
      Who, exactly, told trump not to take classified documents from the white house?
      You know, specifically, who and when?
       
      shootersa, Jan 12, 2023
    3. toniter
      @shootersa... John Laster and Gary Stern, two National Archives officials, repeatedly warned White House counsel of the need to preserve all documents and send them to the N.A. office. Eric Herschmann, former White House lawyer, told trump it was illegal to retain any docs knowingly after leaving office.
       
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  9. CS natureboy

    CS natureboy Porn Star

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    Perhaps the general can explain this???? @stumbler sure did have plenty to say when classified documents were found on Trump's properties....
     
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    1. anon_de_plume
      So you didn't see the thread he started? Or maybe just willfully ignorant...
       
      anon_de_plume, Jan 11, 2023
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    2. toniter
      Don't think the general would tell you even if he had an opinion.
       
      toniter, Jan 11, 2023
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    3. CS natureboy
      Now that's funny! You have a good sense of humor toniter...:thumbsup:
       
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  10. shootersa

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    Well, but the question posed was "What was Biden doing with CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS?"

    And the answer appears to be; He didn't know he had them. Not the ones in his office, or apparently the ones in his garage at home in Delaware, where, you know, we don't know who comes and goes cause there isn't an record kept.

    Really.
    Biden didn't even know he had those documents, if he's to be believed, which means he didn't know what he had, which means he didn't secure them, which means anyone could have gotten their hands on them, and then who knows, eh?

    Doesn't that concern anyone?
    Not despicables certainly.
    Cause, Trump.
     
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    1. mstrman
      They were there for Hunter to copy and turn over to whom ever paid him. :hilarious::hilarious:
       
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    2. conroe4
      Those were back ups to the ones kept in the biden chinese consulate building...in case they needed further top secrects documents.
      He kept them in the glove box of his Corvette...locked, of course.
       
      conroe4, Jan 12, 2023
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    3. toniter
      Yeah, @shootersa, looks kind of messy. It's good that a special counsel was appointed.
       
      toniter, Jan 12, 2023
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    4. stumbler
      When did you start caring about classified documents @shootersa? Can you show us any concern let's say after February 7, 2021?
       
      stumbler, Jan 14, 2023
    5. shootersa
      You forgetting Hillary's classified document thingy did you stumbler?
       
      shootersa, Jan 15, 2023
  11. conroe4

    conroe4 Lake Lover In XNXX Heaven

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    "How can anyone be so irresponsible?"

    Boy those words that come back to bite ya...they sting like a motherfucker, huh Joe?
     
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    1. anon_de_plume
      So you are concerned about misplaced classified documents? Or just misplaced Democrat documents? Should Trump be prosecuted? He's been completely uncooperative, and Biden turned himself in...
       
      anon_de_plume, Jan 12, 2023
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    2. stumbler
      When did you start caring about classified documents?
       
      stumbler, Jan 14, 2023
  12. toniter

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    Thankfully, documents discovered at Biden's places were promptly turned over to National Archives.
     
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      Oh Yes, thankfully!!

      <wipes hands on pants and dusts them off>
       
      conroe4, Jan 13, 2023
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  13. shootersa

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    So apparently, from all the posts that actually address the issue, the outrage over having unauthorized classified documents is mitigated by how promptly they are surrendered, and whether one is a despicable or a deplorable.
     
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    1. stumbler
      When did you start caring about classified documents? Show us when you first posted such concerns before this week.
       
      stumbler, Jan 14, 2023
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    1. stumbler
      Same with you. Show us when you started caring about classified documents.
       
      stumbler, Jan 14, 2023
  15. 69magpie

    69magpie Mischievous Magpie

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    "Republicans open long-promised investigation into Biden family"

    https://amp.9news.com.au/article/5deba680-77a2-4c21-bfc1-cb0b1b40e5e3

    Shouldn't every President no matter what side of the isle they're on be subjected to an examination of whether they have any ghosts lurking in the shadows.

    They are holding (some would say) the most powerful position in the world and should be squeaky clean.

    But that's just my opinion.
     
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      Fuck that.
      Shooter is not wasting his time showing you or anyone on this forum his old posts just because you haven't been paying attention.

      Who the hell do you think you are anyway? God?
       
      shootersa, Jan 15, 2023
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      Who's God???
       
      69magpie, Jan 15, 2023
  16. anon_de_plume

    anon_de_plume Porn Star

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    Wow, that's just boring. Maybe he Trump cooperated in the first place, they wouldn't have had to raid his stash.
     
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    1. anon_de_plume
      So you do think Trump (and Republicans) are above the law, right @latecomer91364?

      Trump should have kept ignoring the National Archives request that he return those documents.
       
      anon_de_plume, Jan 13, 2023
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    1. shootersa
      Say Anon.
      We learned with the whole Trump documents thingy that literally every document within a mile of the white house, or ever touched by the President or anyone in his administration, is a "presidential document" and should be turned over to the National Archives. Well, excepting recordings one keeps in one's sock drawer, right?
      The same applies to Vice Presidents. Says so right there in the book.

      And we learned when Obama's record thingy was raised by Trump that the process is, you turn everything over to NARA and then ask for them back, and NARA will generally return them to you, right?

      So when Biden left the white House in 2017, one of two things had to have happened; either he had already gotten permission from the NARA folks to take those documents, in which case they were declassified, or Biden took documents without permission, in violation of the presidential records act, right?

      Care to offer an opinion on that?
       
      shootersa, Jan 15, 2023
  18. shootersa

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    Well of course we'd like clean politicians.
    Not like, you know, Kennedy, who was fucking Marilyn Monroe and the media knew but never reported it.
    But when they investigate we like it to be legitimate, and not driven by politics.

    We're still working on that part here in Merica. Unlike Australia.
     
    1. 69magpie
      What a pollie does in their own private lives that has absolutely no connection to politics is their own business.


      What do you mean by....."unlike Australia"

      Here's a newly introduced law bought in by the current government.

      https://www.investordaily.com.au/ne...rced-to-sell-shares-under-new-code-of-conduct


      Imagine this law being in American politics, your whole government would collapse as there'd be a mad rush to the exits if all pollies had to sell off their shareholdings.
       
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    Oh say, we need this law.
    Course, too late to effect Nancy Antoinette, but still a great idea.
     
  20. Barry D

    Barry D Over-Watch Commander

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    I'm pretty sure there's already an "ethics" code, and law that prohibits House and Senate members from making investments based on knowledge obtained in "briefings"...
    However, as with most laws on the books, they aren't worth shit if they're never investigated and enforced....