How the FBI attempted to verify allegations in the Steele dossier

• By KATELYN POLANTZ, CNN
• Dec 10, 2019 Updated Jan 12, 2023

The Justice Department inspector general’s report released Monday paints a more thorough picture than ever before on what the FBI found when it tried to verify information in Christopher Steele’s dossier on Donald Trump and Russia — including attempts to verify the existence of video tapes of “alleged unorthodox sexual activity.”

Steele’s primary source for information in the dossier, for instance, told the FBI he or she may have talked about Trump’s alleged sexual activities in “jest” and couldn’t confirm whether the tape was real, the report states, quoting the source.

“The Primary Sub-source explained that he/she reported to Steele that Trump’s alleged unorthodox sexual activity at the Ritz Carlton hotel was ‘rumor and speculation’ and that he/she had not been able to confirm the story,” the report states.



Many of the claims by Steele, a former British spy, have held up over time, or have proven to be at least partially true, including the fact that there was a concerted Russian operation to attacking the 2016 US election. The Justice Department has brought criminal charges against dozens of Russian hackers and online trolls for allegedly interfering with the election.

Steele’s dossier had also asserted that Trump could be vulnerable to Russian blackmail, among other things. The salacious allegations in Steele’s memos remain unproven, nearly three years after the memos went public — a point which the Horowitz report on Monday underlines.

The report on Monday gives a thorough retelling of FBI officials’ traveling abroad to interview Steele and a source of his and to keep track of allegations raised in the dossier in a spreadsheet. Inspector general Michael Horowitz described an extensive effort by the FBI to learn about Steele’s sources and interview his primary source.

Steele’s primary source on the dossier told the FBI that Steele “misstated or exaggerated” his or her statements in the dossier, according to the inspector general’s report. “The FBI conducted interviews of [Steele’s] Primary Sub-source in January, March, and May 2017 that raised significant questions about the reliability of the Steele election reporting,” the report adds.

Determining how the FBI used Steele’s work and vetted it became key to the Justice Department inspector general this year, as inspector general Michael Horowitz looked into how the FBI cited Steele’s dossier when it sought surveillance of former Trump adviser Carter Page.


Horowitz notes some of the information Steele collected could have been disinformation planted by the Russians. The inspector general didn’t attempt to vet this possibility, because it was outside of his office’s scope, Horowitz wrote.

(The Mueller report previously acknowledged the rumor of tapes of Trump existing but did not go into detail any findings about them.)

How the FBI vetted the Steele dossier

At first, when the FBI was communicating with Steele, FBI leadership told the CIA they believed him to be a reliable source. Then-FBI official Andrew McCabe, now a CNN analyst, was pushing for the intelligence agencies to take Steele’s reports on Trump seriously but his “view did not prevail,” Horowitz wrote.


Steele had briefed the left-wing magazine Mother Jones about his work in October 2016, causing murmurs about the dossier to begin to circulate publicly. Because of this Mother Jones story, FBI stopped using Steele as a source, Horowitz noted.

Beginning in mid-November 2016, the effort to verify the dossier began, Horowitz said. Peter Strzok and Bill Priestap — then-FBI officials leading the Crossfire Hurricane investigation — went abroad on the first trip, and Strzok, Lisa Page and others traveled abroad in December 2016. The investigators heard positive remarks from people who worked with Steele and also negative comments about him having poor judgment.

“He was the type of person who would sometimes follow the shiny object without, perhaps, a deep set of judgment about the risk that may or may not be there in terms of following the shiny object. But in any event, he was not the type of person who would fabricate something or make something up or mischaracterize it, either intentionally or unintentionally,” Strzok had told Horowitz during the inspector general’s review.


The FBI continued to evaluate Steele’s information into 2017.

At one point, the Crossfire Hurricane investigators created a spreadsheet with each of Steele’s statements in the dossier to keep track as it vetted them. Some of the information was verified through publicly available information–though much of Steele’s work couldn’t be verified.

That’s because some of the details would have had to come from high-level people in Russia, Strzok had said, or from just a few people who witnessed meetings, Horowitz noted.

Horowitz also noted that some of the details from the dossier were untrue, such as the allegation that Michael Cohen traveled to Prague in 2016 to meet with Russians. (Mueller previously asserted in his report that Cohen had never traveled to Prague, citing Cohen’s repeated statements that he had not.)

Steele’s counterintelligence and election information in the dossier hadn’t come into the FBI from another source, so the FBI’s validation unit considered it to be uncorroborated. Horowitz recommended on Monday that the FBI should evaluate how the FBI validates reporting from its sources. FBI Director Chris Wray agreed with the recommendation and said it would made changes, according to his responses to Horowitz included in the report.

The FBI also interviewed Steele in September 2017 over two days, Horowitz wrote. After the last Page FISA warrant application went to the foreign surveillance court with mention of Steele’s work in it, the FBI found that Steele had become biased against Trump, the inspector general found.

“The FBI discovered discrepancies between Steele’s reporting and statements sub-sources made to the FBI, which raised doubts about the reliability of some of Steele’s reports. The FBI also assessed the possibility that Russia was funneling disinformation to Steele, and the possibility that disinformation was included in his election reports,” Horowitz wrote.


“The FBI concluded, among other things, that although consistent with known efforts by Russia to interfere in the 2016 U.S. elections, much of the material in the Steele election reports, including allegations about Donald Trump and members of the Trump campaign relied upon in the Carter Page FISA applications, could not be corroborated; that certain allegations were inaccurate or inconsistent with information gathered by the Crossfire Hurricane team; and that the limited information that was corroborated related to time, location, and title information, much of which was publicly available.”

https://www.crossroadstoday.com/new...cle_5c9848b3-bf34-5b76-bb33-1349a9deda60.html

 

Steele's "primary sub source" was not as reliable as Strozk would have us believe
February 9, 2017 Electronic Communication.pdf (senate.gov)
The transcript is 57 pages long and heavily redacted.
The first document is a 57-page summary of a three-day interview the FBI conducted with Christopher Steele’s so-called “Primary Sub-source” in January of 2017. [Document 1]

• This document not only demonstrates how unsubstantiated and unreliable the Steele dossier was, it shows that the FBI was on notice of the dossier’s credibility problems and sought two more FISA application renewals after gaining this awareness.

• The document reveals that the primary “source” of Steele’s election reporting was not some well-connected current or former Russian official, but a non-Russian based contract employee of Christopher Steele’s firm. Moreover, it demonstrates that the information that Steele’s primary source provided him was second and third-hand information and rumor at best.

• Critically, the document shows that Steele’s “Primary Sub-source” disagreed with and was surprised by how information he gave Steele was then conveyed by Steele in the Steele dossier. For instance, the “Primary Sub-source”: did not recall or did not know where some of the information attributed to him or his sources came from; was never told about or never mentioned to Steele certain information attributed to him or his sources; he said that Steele re-characterized some of the information to make it more substantiated and less attenuated than it really was; that he would have described his sources differently; and, that Steele implied direct access to information where the access to information was indirect.

• In total, this document demonstrates that information from the Steele dossier, which “played a central and essential role” in the FISA warrants on Carter Page, should never have been presented to the FISA court.

 

The New York Times published an article about Russian intelligence ties to Trump. Strozk offered up his views on the article. It would seem that Strozk gave a differing opinion to the senate Intelligence Committee when he testified.
Annotated New York Times Article.pdf (senate.gov)

 

It became evident to the Committee that the FBI had a double standard when dealing with matters concerning the Trump and Clinton campaigns.
18 pages of declassified but heavily redacted documents.
Microsoft Word - Senate Letter 2020-08-19

 

AS the committee continued to investigate Crossfire Hurricane they became increasingly cynical of the Steele Dossier and the "soure" that underpinned it.
LOG to AG Barr re Primary Subsource 04-20-20.pdf (senate.gov)

 

And the committee ultimately was critical of the use of the Steele Dossier to obtain FISA warrants to surveil Carter Page.
Carter Page was, by most accounts, involved with the Trump campaign from roughly March to September, 2016. Page left the campaign when Yahoo news published a report alleging contacts between Page and Russian assets.
The first FISA warrant for Carter Page that was based in part on Steele's dossier was issued effective October, 2016, and was the first of four FISA warrants that spanned the period October, 2016 to late 2017. Subsequent investigation by DOJ found that at least the last two warrants, and perhaps all four warrants, were obtained Illegally and were based at least in part on false and misleading information provided in the applications.
Every application noted that Page was closely associated with the Trump campaign before the election. Notably, the applications claimed that Page was an agent of the Russian government, when in fact he was working with the CIA and the FBI knew that when they appllied for the warrants.
Judiciary Committee Releases Key Material Related to FISA Abuse Investigation | United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary
2018 DOJ letter to FISC.pdf (senate.gov)

 

Here's the thing.
The Judiciary Committee, led by deplorable Lindsey Graham, conducted its investigation into the Crossfire Hurricane FISA abuse scandal through 2019 and into 2020.
Although many of the declassified documents are heavily redacted, all of the relevant documents and transcripts from that investigation have been released.
Judiciary Committee Releases Key Material Related to FISA Abuse Investigation | United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary
There was no prime time circus as we saw with the Nancy Antoinette star chamber proceeding, no transcripts of key players not released, and within the constraints of our sometimes uber paranoid intelligence community, all information has been released for our review.

No reasonable person can conclude that the Steele Dossier was anything but a paid for pack of lies designed to stop an opposition candidate from an open and fair campaign for President.
A pack of lies obtained ILLEGALLY through the use of foreign agents and intentionally hidden from the public's view through violations of Federal campaign finance laws.
It was further used to secretly surveil a member of the Trump campaign, and at least 2 and perhaps all four of the FISA warrants obtained by the FBI were illegally obtained through the efforts of FBI agents and administration to intentionally mislead the FISA court.

 

Now this actually deals with the Steele Dossier not just the part about the FISA warrants for Cater Page.

The idea that Russia has been cultivating, supporting, and assisting
Donald Trump to undermine Western alliances should come as no surprise
to anyone paying attention. Before and during his campaign for
President--Mr. Trump--there were several odd connections between the
two men, which they lied about to the public.

As President, Mr. Trump called Putin ``fine people.'' He ignored the
fact that Putin invaded Crimea; intervened in eastern Ukraine; poisoned
people in the United Kingdom; has commissioned the murder of
dissidents, journalists, and spies; shot down a commercial airliner in
Europe; propped up the most ruthless dictator of our time in Syria; and
violated our sovereignty in the 2016 Presidential election, by every--
every--intelligence organization that says ``USA.''

To ensure the American people and future Congresses know how we got
here today, today I will read parts of the Trump-Russia dossier into
the Record, also known as the Christopher Steele dossier, and include a
link to its entirety in the Congressional Record.

Partisans on the other side of the aisle may dismiss the document as
bogus, even fake news, but they know that several allegations in this
document have already been verified. While the dossier represents raw
intelligence or, effectively, a first draft, not a single thing of
substance has been disproven--not one. And Christopher Steele has
reliably provided intelligence to the U.K. and U.S. intelligence
agencies for decades.

While history will be the final judge on these matters, these are
some of the allegations which we know have been verified.
Madam Speaker, this is serious business. When I read from the
dossier, I am reading from my prime source. What I read tonight has all
been verified and certified, that which I am reading.

{time} 1845

While history will be a final judge on these matters, here are some
of the allegations. Page 1 of the dossier, the claim: ``Russian regime
has been cultivating, supporting, and assisting Trump for at least 5
years. Aim, endorsed by Putin, has been to encourage splits and
divisions in the Western alliance''--in the Western alliance.

``So far,'' the dossier reads, I will continue, ``Trump has declined
various sweetener real estate business deals offered him in Russia in
order to further the Kremlin's cultivation of him. However, he and his
inner circle have accepted a regular flow of intelligence from the
Kremlin, including on his Democratic and other political rivals.''

Now, here is the truth: On January 6, 2017, an intelligence community
assessment released by the Office of the Director of National
Intelligence stated that Russian leadership favored Trump's candidacy
over Clinton's and that Putin personally ordered an influence campaign
to harm Clinton's electoral chances and ``undermine public faith in the
U.S. democratic process,'' as well as ordering cyber attacks on ``both
major U.S. political parties.''

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CREC-2018-07-12/html/CREC-2018-07-12-pt1-PgH6168.htm

 

Instead of using a media report citing "two U.S. officials" about what the OIG report WILL state, you know, when it's released, why don't we use the report itself?

120919-examination.pdf (justice.gov)
A damning 478 page report that found fundamental problems with the Crossfire Hurricane investigation, the politically slanted agents and managers who ran that investigation, and the ILLEGAL issuance of FISA warrants based on a political hit piece.

You see? Instead of trusting the media, or a propaganda pusher, go to the source and make up your own mind.

 

And starting at page 414 of the Department of Justice IG report, the recommendations to the FBI; Recommendations the FBI accepted and fully endorsed.

II. Recommendations For the reasons fully described in previous chapters, we recommend the following:

1. The Department and the FBI should ensure that adequate procedures are in place for the Office of Intelligence (OI) to obtain all relevant and accurate information, including access to Confidential Human Source 414 (CHS) information, needed to prepare FISA applications and renewal applications. This effort should include revising: a. the FISA Request Form: to ensure information is identified for 01: (i) that tends to disprove, does not support, or is inconsistent with a finding or an allegation that the target is a foreign power or an agent of a foreign power, or (ii) that bears on the reliability of every CHS whose information is relied upon in the FISA application, including all information from the derogatory information sub-file, recommended below; b. the Woods Form: (i) to emphasize to agents and their supervisors the obligation to re-verify factual assertions repeated from prior applications and to obtain written approval from CHS handling agents of all CHS source characterization statements in applications, and (ii) to specify what steps must be taken and documented during the legal review performed by an FBI Office of General Counsel (OGC) line attorney and SESlevel supervisor before submitting the FISA application package to the FBI Director for certification; c. the FISA Procedures: to clarify which positions may serve as the supervisory reviewer for OGC; and d. taking any other steps deemed appropriate to ensure the accuracy and completeness of information provided to 01.

2. The Department and FBI should evaluate which types of Sensitive Investigative Matters (SIM) require advance notification to a senior Department official, such as the Deputy Attorney General, in addition to the notifications currently required for SIMs, especially for case openings that implicate core First Amendment activity and raise policy considerations or heighten enterprise risk, and establish implementing policies and guidance, as necessary.

3. The FBI should develop protocols and guidelines for staffing and administrating any future sensitive investigative matters from FBI Headquarters.

4. The FBI should address the problems with the administration and assessment of CHSs identified in this report and, at a minimum, should: a. revise its standard CHS admonishment form to include a prohibition on the disclosure of the CHS's relationship with the FBI to third parties absent the FBl's permission, and assess the need to include other admonishments in the standard CHS admonishments; 415 b. develop enhanced procedures to ensure that CHS information is documented in Delta, including information generated from Headquarters-led investigations, substantive contacts with closed CHSs (directly or through third parties), and derogatory information. We renew our recommendation that the FBI create a derogatory information sub-file in Delta; c. assess VMU's practices regarding reporting source validation findings and non-findings; d. establish guidance for sharing sensitive information with CHSs; e. establish guidance to handling agents for inquiring whether their CHS participates in the types of groups or activities that would bring the CHS within the definition of a "sensitive source," and ensure handling agents document (and update as needed) those affiliations and any others voluntarily provided to them by the CHS in the Source Opening Communication, the "Sensitive Categories" portion of each CHS's Quarterly Supervisory Source Report, the "Life Changes" portion of CHS Contact Reports, or as otherwise directed by the FBI so that the FBI can assess whether active CHSs are engaged in activities (such as political campaigns) at a level that might require re-designation as a "sensitive source" or necessitate closure of the CHS; and f. revise its CHS policy to address the considerations that should be taken into account and the steps that should be followed before and after accepting information from a closed CHS indirectly through a third party.

5. The Department and FBI should clarify the following terms in their policies: a. assess the definition of a "Sensitive Monitoring Circumstance" in the AG Guidelines and the FBl's DIOG to determine whether to expand its scope to include consensual monitoring of a domestic political candidate or an individual prominent within a domestic political organization, or a subset of these persons, so that consensual monitoring of such individuals would require consultation with or advance notification to a senior Department official, such as the Deputy Attorney General; and b. establish guidance, and include examples in the DIOG, to better define the meaning of the phrase "prominent in a domestic political organization" so that agents understand which campaign officials fall within that definition as it relates to "Sensitive Investigative Matters," "Sensitive UDP," and the designation of "sensitive sources." Further, if the Department expands the scope of "Sensitive Monitoring Circumstance," as 416 recommended above, the FBI should apply the guidance on "prominent in a domestic political organization" to "Sensitive Monitoring Circumstance" as well.

6. The FBI should ensure that appropriate training on DIOG § 4 is provided to emphasize the constitutional implications of certain monitoring situations and to ensure that agents account for these concerns, both in the tasking of CHSs and in the way they document interactions with and tasking of CHSs.

7. The FBI should establish a policy regarding the use of defensive and transition briefings for investigative purposes, including the factors to be considered and approval by senior leaders at the FBI with notice to a senior Department official, such as the Deputy Attorney General.

8. The Department's Office of Professional Responsibility should review our findings related to the conduct of Department attorney Bruce Ohr for any action it deems appropriate. Ohr's current supervisors in the Department's Criminal Division should also review our findings related to Ohr's performance for any action they deem appropriate.

9. The FBI should review the performance of all employees who had responsibility for the preparation, Woods review, or approval of the FISA applications, as well as the managers, supervisors, and senior officials in the chain of command of the Carter Page investigation, for any action deemed appropriate.

 

The conclusions and recommendations in the report are particularly telling, eh stumbler?
From page 410:

"As we noted last year in our review of the Midyear investigation, the FBI has developed and earned a reputation as one of the world's premier law enforcement agencies in significant part because of its tradition of professionalism, impartiality, non-political enforcement of the law, and adherence to detailed policies, practices, and norms. It was precisely these qualities that were required as the FBI initiated and conducted Crossfire Hurricane. However, as we describe in this report, our review identified significant concerns with how certain aspects of the investigation were conducted and supervised, particularly the FBI's failure to adhere to its own standards of accuracy and completeness when filing applications for Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) authority to surveil Carter Page, a U.S. person who was connected to the Donald J. Trump for President Campaign. We also identified what we believe is an absence of sufficient policies to ensure appropriate Department oversight of significant investigative decisions that could affect constitutionally protected activity.​

 

From page 412 of the report;
So much for "the Steele report played little or no role in the FISA warrants"
And so much for the Steele report not being a political hack job.

"When the Crossfire Hurricane team first proposed seeking a FISA order targeting Carter Page in midAugust 2016, FBI attorneys assisting the investigation considered it a "close call" whether they had developed the probable cause necessary to obtain the order, and a FISA order was not requested at that time. However, in September 2016, immediately after the Crossfire Hurricane team received reporting from Christopher Steele concerning Page's alleged recent activities with Russian officials, FBI attorneys advised the Department that the team was ready to move forward with a request to obtain FISA authority to surveil Page. FBI and Department officials told us the Steele reporting "pushed [the FISA proposal] over the line" in terms of establishing probable cause. FBI leadership supported relying on Steele's reporting to seek a FISA order targeting Page after being advised of, and giving consideration to, concerns expressed by a Department attorney that Steele may have been hired by someone associated with a rival candidate or campaign.​

 

Page 413 of the report;

"Nevertheless, we found that members of the Crossfire Hurricane team failed to meet the basic obligation to ensure that the Carter Page FISA applications were "scrupulously accurate." We identified significant inaccuracies and omissions in each of the four applications-7 in the first FISA application and a total of 17 by the final renewal application. For example, the Crossfire Hurricane team obtained information from Steele's Primary Sub-source in January 2017 that raised significant questions about the reliability of the Steele reporting that was used in the Carter Page FISA applications. But members of the Crossfire Hurricane team failed to share the information with the Department, and it was therefore omitted from the second and third renewal applications.​

 

Also page 413; yes, Carter Page was working for the CIA as an informant gathering Russian intelligence, and yes the FBI knew that when they got the FISA warrants claiming Page was a "foreign agent".

"All of the applications also omitted information the FBI had obtained from another U.S. government agency detailing its prior relationship with Page, including that Page had been approved as an operational contact for the other agency from 2008 to 2013, and that Page had provided information to the other agency concerning his prior contacts with certain Russian intelligence officers, one of which overlapped with facts asserted in the FISA application.​

 

At page 66 of the report,

"2. The Role of Peter Strzok and Lisa Page in Crossfire Hurricane and Relevant Text Messages
In the OIG's June 2018 Review of Various Actions in Advance of the 2016 Election, we described text messages between Strzok and Lisa Page expressing statements of hostility toward then candidate Trump and statements of support for then candidate Clinton, and several text messages that appeared to mix political opinions with discussions of the investigation into candidate Clinton's email use and references to the Crossfire Hurricane investigation. One such exchange occurred on July 31, 2016, the date of the opening of the Crossfire Hurricane investigation, 185 As described further in Chapter Nine, in January 2016, the FBI initiated a money laundering and tax evasion investigation of Manafort predicated on his activities as a political consultant to members of the Ukrainian government and Ukrainian politicians.

66​

when Strzok texted Page: "And damn this feels momentous. Because this matters. The other one did, too, but that was to ensure we didn't F something up. This matters because this MATTERS. So super glad to be on this voyage with you." (Emphasis in original). The following week, in an exchange on August 6, 2016, Lisa Page forwarded to Strzok a news article relating to Trump's criticism of a Gold Star family who appeared at the Democratic National Convention. The text message stated, in part, "And Trump should go f himself." Strzok responded favorably to the article and added, "And F Trump." Page replied, "So. This is not to take away from the unfairness of it all, but we are both deeply fortunate people." She then forwarded another news article and texted, "And maybe you're meant to stay where you are because you're meant to protect the country from that menace." Strzok responded, "Thanks. It's absolutely true that we're both very fortunate. And of course I'll try and approach it that way. I just know it will be tough at times. I can protect our country at many levels, not sure if that helps .... " Two days later, on August 8, 2016, Lisa Page texted Strzok, "[Trump's] not ever going to become president, right? Right?!" and Strzok replied, "No. No he's not. We'll stop it." In Chapter Twelve of the OIG's June 2018 Review of Various Actions in Advance of the 2016 Election, we detail additional text messages by Strzok and Page and the explanations that they provided to the OIG for these and the other text messages and our findings regarding them. See https ://www.justice.gov/file/1071991/download. In that review, we found that Strzok led the Midyear investigation shortly after its opening through its conclusion, and that he was deeply and actively involved in investigative decision making throughout the course of that investigation. We further found that Lisa Page served as a liaison between the investigative team and McCabe, and that she also regularly participated in team meetings and in investigative decision making.
​

Full disclosure; in the following pages the report makes clear that while Strzok was leading investigations and having input into the decision to start Crossfire Hurricane, he was not the only or final decision maker. He had input into the process, but did not have unilateral authority.

There is also a fascinating read in the OIG report on FBI activities surrounding the 2016 election. Not part of this thread, but fascinating reading, in particular on Comey's decision not to charge Clinton, Clinton's use of a private e mail server, and the infamous Lynch/Clinton tarmac meeting in Phoenix.
download (justice.gov)

 

You keep cheery picking parts of the IG report but ignore this.

Shortly after the FBI opened the Crossfire Hurricane investigation, the FBI
conducted several consensually monitored meetings between FBI confidential
human sources (CHS) and individuals affiliated with the Trump campaign, including
a high-level campaign official who was not a subject of the investigation. We found
that the CHS operations received the necessary approvals under FBI policy; that an
Assistant Director knew about and approved of each operation, even in
circumstances where a first-level supervisory special agent could have approved the
operations; and that the operations were permitted under Department and FBI
policy because their use was not for the sole purpose of monitoring activities
protected by the First Amendment or the lawful exercise of other rights secured by
the Constitution or laws of the United States. We did not find any documentary or
testimonial evidence that political bias or improper motivation influenced the FBl's
decision to conduct these operations. Additionally, we found no evidence that the
FBI attempted to place any CHSs within the Trump campaign, recruit members of
the Trump campaign as CHSs, or task CHSs to report on the Trump campaign.

https://oig.justice.gov/sites/default/files/reports/120919-examination.pdf

And none of that has anything to do with your false claims about the Steele Dossier.


The steele dossier has been disproven.

False.
The FBI did use it to spy on Trump.

False.


And later to spy on his administration.

And false.

 

Impasse.
Shooter has shown government investigations showing that the Steele dossier is a pack of lies authored by a foreign national paid for illegally by Hillary Clinton to attack her political opponent.

A report used then by the FBI to ILLEGALLY spy on a Trump campaign employee.

A report used to spy on the Trump administration.

And exactly as Shooter said, Stumbler has attacked every source, denied the facts and evidence presented, and made personal attacks on anyone and anything not in full agreement with stumblers delusional get trump no matter what campaign.

There is no evidence, no report, no reality that will shut stumbler up or change his delusion.

Stumbler will never show us his pee tape but he'll insist "anonymous sources" are reliable when they say it exists.

Stumbler will never bully Shooter into silence. He will never convert Shooter to make him call America a "shithole country" or a "banana republic".

So, impasse.

 

All anyone has to do is just go through this thread to know for themselves you have done no such thing.

You are the one who said ...

Which I did to once and for all address the same lies you have been telling for years no matter how many times they are proven to be lies.

I am the one who has provided documented proof those are false, false, and false.

And you have not provided a single thing to back up your false statements.

This is just so laughable since you tried to us the IG report to try and distract, deflect, and derail from your false statements about the Steele Dossier and it proves you false. The only thing that proved to be illegal about the Russia investigation is one misdemeanor guilty plea from one FBI agent that altered an email in a FISA warrant application.

We did not find any documentary or
testimonial evidence that political bias or improper motivation influenced the FBl's
decision to conduct these operations.

https://oig.justice.gov/sites/default/files/reports/120919-examination.pdf

No matter how many times you say this it will never be true and I have posted the proof of that. While you have not come up with a single thing to back up what you falsely claim.

All of this is just totally false and the opposite is true. And especially the part about me being the one personally attacking. That is about all you have done on this thread with things like this.

This is pure psychological projection where you falsely accuse me of what you are actually guilty of yourself. I am the one who has provided overwhelming evidence the Steele Dossier haws proven to be remarkably accurate. but no matter how much prove is provided you just keep making the same false statements over and over and over again. Creating nothing more than the illusion of truth that if you say it enough times someone might believe you.

I have provided the Russian sources that claim the pee pee tapes exist but even if they don't that would be only one more thing the Steele Dossier got wrong when most of it has proven true.

I am most certainly not trying to do any such things. All I am doing is once and for all address the same lies you have been telling for years. And putting the proof in one place.

False, false, and false.

 

This is funny, if it wasn't so sad.
Stumbler has pursued this issue now for almost a week.
Every post Shooter has made, every reference he has given has been denied by Stumbler.
Which we knew he would do.
Shooter could present a signed statement from Steele himself saying he made the whole thing up and Stumbler would deny it proved the point.
Shooter could present a government investigation that flatly stated the Steele dossier was a pack of lies paid for by Hillary Clinton, and Stumbler would insist it was something else.

There is no proof Shooter can present to stumbler that will shut him up.
No evidence Shooter can offer that will stop the endless copy N paste of page after page of propaganda and lies from Stumbler.

Nothing Shooter can say or do that will ever convince Stumbler that anyone is entitled to their own beliefs, their own politics, their own place in life.
If one is not in lock step with stumbler, one is the enemy and must be smashed flat, no matter what it takes.

The Steele dossier is a pack of lies.
It was paid for by Hillary Clinton, ILLEGALLY to get Trump.
It was used by a weaponized FBI to spy on Trump campaign members.
It was used to spy on the Trump administration.

Stumbler will never accept any of these statements as truth, he will never stop his endless campaign to silence Shooter, and he will never stop trying to be a bully.

Shooter will never believe any of the propaganda stumbler has used to "prove" the truth of the Steele dossier.
Simply, stumbler, show us the PEE tape.
Then we can talk.

Until then, impasse.

Now, go away, stumbler, you have become an annoyance with your endless attacks.

 

This is just a longer rant than the one I just debunked and proved the opposite of what you are saying is true. Except this one is actually more laughable.

I have the proof to back up what I say and all you have is these impotent personal attacks.


Oh yeah and by the way whatever happened to "impasse"? Just another one of your many false statements on this thread.