Incorrect. Shooter read your link. He couldn't find where anyone claimed

""Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam Say He Would 'Execute a Baby After Birth'?"​

You should remember thats the question. Your link didn't address it. Do you want to try again, throw more insults, or run away?

 

Shooter is stunned. Shooter is stunned speechless for a moment. The genius is actually trying to turn the entire conversation on it's side, now claiming that it's Shooter who posted the fucking lie.
Shooter is the one who pointed out the fucking lie, as posted by stumbler and liked by the genius.
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Now then, genius, just for review; it was stumbler who posted the "fact check" about Virginia Governor Ralph Northam and the "execute a baby after birth", which, you know, no one has been credited with saying, but the left constructed it so they could then fact check it and claim another victory.

And you liked that post.

So the question became who said it, and you handed us a link to a story that didn't prove it.

And now you claim that Shooter said it.

Bringing us right back to where Shooter knows we always end up when you've been in the conversation;
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Here you go...

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/26/health/abortion-bill-trump.html

I'm sure you'll disagree. But hey, you think infanticide is running rampant in the country. Something you have offered zero evidence for...

 

A pay wall.
Jesus wept.
And still he wants to move the goal posts and try to declare victory.

Pigeons, chess, genius.

Now you're just embarrassing yourself.

 

The one thing we can count on is treasonous conservative/America Hating/Republicans will not only lie about anything and everything they will also just keep telling the same lies over and over and over again even after they have been exposed to try and crate the illusion of truth. Like people on the left support "infanticide" when that is actually illegal in every state even before Roe v Wade was overturned.


Did Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam Say He Would 'Execute a Baby After Birth'?

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What's False
Northam did not "state he would execute a baby after birth."



https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-northam-abortion-execute/



But treasonous considerations/America Hating/Republicans trying to inflict Sharia Law For Christians enforced by the American Taliban on the nation have no trouble getting even more disgusting than that.




DeSantis said at debate a woman survived ‘multiple abortion attempts.’ Here’s the real story
Julie K. Brown
Sat, August 26, 2023 at 4:46 AM MDT·7 min read
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At Wednesday’s Republican candidates debate, during a discussion of late-term abortion, Gov. Ron DeSantis told a horrific but puzzling story.

“I know a lady in Florida named Penny,” the GOP presidential candidate said. “She survived multiple abortion attempts. She was left discarded in a pan. Fortunately, her grandmother saved her and brought her to another hospital.”

Critics of the governor flocked to social media to suggest the “Penny” story was made up or wildly embellished. Supporters countered that liberals were triggered by an ugly truth.

Penny is real and her last name is Hopper. But DeSantis failed to note key details from her remarkable story: The person who tried to end Penny’s life in the womb was not a doctor or even an illegal abortion provider — it was her father. And his effort to abort his daughter with a coat hanger took place almost two decades before the Supreme Court’s seismic Roe v. Wade decision, which established a woman’s right to an abortion.


While DeSantis’ version of Penny’s story honors life and a woman who survived a traumatic beginning, it also reflects the perils of a world where abortion is all but outlawed and women can be forced into dangerous, desperate alternatives.

This article is based on previous recorded statements made by Hopper, newspaper clippings, public records and an interview with a family member who after speaking to a journalist at length asked not to be identified. She confirmed that Hopper’s version of events has been told in family circles for years.

“Penny” Hopper declined to be interviewed and did not respond to written questions submitted by the Miami Herald.

The DeSantis campaign did not respond to a request for comment.

A small farming town
Miriam “Penny” Hopper’s story begins in 1955, in a hospital in Wauchula, a small farming town in Central Florida. News reports at the time described her as a miracle baby, born weighing 1 pound, 11 ounces. She was so tiny that the nurses initially had to feed her with a dropper.

Her now-deceased father, Charles Wesley Browder Sr., was a U.S. Army sergeant during World War II who served on the front lines in Europe when he was just 20. His family said he was a “scout” who performed advance reconnaissance missions before being wounded, captured and tortured by the Germans. Military records show he was discharged with honors in 1945 and was awarded four Bronze Stars in addition to a Purple Heart, a Good-Conduct Medal and the World War II Victory Medal.


A native of South Carolina and son of a Baptist minister, Browder moved to Central Florida after the war. Public records show he married Glenda Marie Pierce, the second-eldest daughter in a family of ranchers and citrus farmers who moved to Florida from North Carolina and settled in Wauchula, about 75 miles southeast of Tampa. Wauchula was then known as “the Cucumber Capital of the World,” and each year a high school girl would be crowned Miss Cucumber Queen.


A contemporaneous news article on the survival of Miriam ‘Penny’ Hopper.
In 1953, birth records show, Hopper’s parents had a son, Charles Browder Jr., who was born at Walker Memorial Hospital in nearby Avon Park. At the time of the 1950 census, Glenda worked as a receptionist in a doctor’s office, and Charles was a salesman.

Hopper’s mother soon became pregnant with her second child, also a boy. In a video posted on YouTube several years ago by a group called “Florida Right to Life,” Hopper said that she learned later that her father had used the coat hanger to abort her mother’s second child. It is one of at least two videos on the Internet relating her story, although the videos differ on some details.


A second story about ‘Penny’s’ survival after a lengthy stay at the Lakeland hospital.
When her mother became pregnant a third time with her, Penny Browder said her father returned to the same method in an attempt to end the pregnancy, later explaining to his daughter that he was earning only $125 a week, which he felt wasn’t enough to support a larger family.

Browder’s mother developed complications during the coat-hanger procedure. The couple rushed to a nearby medical facility in the middle of the night, with her mother very ill and bleeding. In the video interviews, Hopper said her parents were met at the clinic by a doctor in his pajamas. He examined her mother — and concluded that the fetus had no heartbeat. He advised the couple to abort the baby, telling them the child would likely be stillborn.

“If it lives, it will be a burden on you your whole life,” the doctor allegedly said. He used saline and injected her mother with a drug, then left, instructing the nurse to “discard the baby dead or alive,” Hopper said in a video interview, a segment that was to be incorporated into a TV commercial by the anti-abortion group “Faces of Choice.” It can be found on YouTube.

When the baby arrived shortly after 3 a.m., the nurse wrapped her in a towel and placed her in a pan, Penny Hopper said one video. In the other, Hopper said her mother told her the baby was placed in a basket.

The following day, Glenda’s mother and aunt came to check on her at the clinic, where she was recuperating. They found the baby outside on a back porch, unwrapped her, and discovered she was alive, Hopper said.

“My grandmother was so upset she called the local police,” she said.

A news clipping incorporated into a video segment said the baby was transported from the medical facility in Wauchula to what was then Morrell Regional Hospital in Lakeland. The news clipping, which isn’t labeled, seems to partially contradict Hopper’s story, as it states that the doctors at the Wauchula facility “put forth greater efforts to keep the 1 pound, 11 ounce baby alive.” The story said the child was on the “brink of death” when she was transported to Lakeland, with a police escort that crashed on the way to the hospital.


An article about the crash of the escort bringing ‘Penny’ to Lakeland.
The Tampa Tribune from Nov. 29, 1955, reported on the crash, saying the baby had been born premature that morning. The infant was placed in an incubator, where she remained for four months. Hopper, however, said that while she was in the hospital her father tried to disconnect her from the incubator because he was upset at how much the care was costing. The hospital summoned the police to restrain him, Hopper said in one of the interviews.

“He basically couldn’t stand the thought I was alive,” Hopper said.

In March 1956, she was finally strong enough to go home with her parents. By that time, her hair had filled in and was a coppery red. The nurses were calling her “Penny” — the nickname that has stuck with her throughout her life.

Pro-choice groups say that Hopper’s story presents an even stronger case not to outlaw legal and safe abortions.

“Banning abortion doesn’t stop people from needing or seeking abortions,” said Marc Hearron, senior counsel for the Center for Reproductive Rights. “It just leads to abortions outside the formal healthcare system. … This story bears no resemblance to today’s reality.”

Dr. Washington Hill, an OB-GYN, specialist in maternal fetal medicine who supports legal abortion, said that because the doctor didn’t detect a heartbeat, it seems likely that he believed he was inducing labor to expel a stillborn infant.

“The doctor, for one reason or another, thought the baby was stillborn. Technically it was induced labor — not an induced abortion.”

‘She doesn’t want to be used as a political pawn’
It could not be determined whether Hopper had been contacted by the DeSantis campaign, whether the campaign vetted her story or if she knew it would be told to a national television audience.

“She doesn’t want to be used as a political pawn,” said the family member, explaining that Hopper prefers to work quietly behind the scenes to help those she sees as victims of botched abortions.

In one of her video interviews, Hopper said that before his death her father told her how much he regretted what he had tried to do.

“Before he passed away, he looked at me and said ‘Honey I don’t know what I’d done without you,’ ” Hopper recalls in the interview.

“No matter what circumstances my parents were facing surrounding my mother’s pregnancy, I ended up having great parents, I ended up having a great life.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/desantis-said-debate-woman-survived-104625437.html

 

Shooter is truly of two minds about abortion.
On the one hand he knows how close his two wonderful children came to being aborted by their birth mom because being pregnant is inconvenient.
On the other hand he reads the spew and lies from liberals trying to justify murder as late term abortion and he can see how abortion by some women would make the world a much better place.

 

@anon_de_plume what did you get wrong? Well for starters your source, you might as well could’ve pulled it from CNN. I am positive there is more to this story than what they are telling you and what does a miscarriage have anything to do with abortion???
And I’m sorry but all that crap about doctor saying “I'm sorry, but I can not remove your dead baby, no matter how much it will kill you!" What law prevents the doctor from helping a person especially if it’s in danger of losing his life.
So let’s say hypothetically a patient comes in with a raptured colon and is becoming septic the doctor would say “ I’m sorry I can’t operate on you even though you’re septic and could die in minutes”. What about late miscarriages where a physician has to extract a dead fetus well it’s a baby at this point or what if a woman goes into early labor with a premature baby and the baby doesn’t make it so now doctor will just leave it in there????? This is bizarre
And than you’re blaming republicans?
if it wasn’t for the democrats half the people that passed during Covid would still be alive and well. They’re the ones that made near impossible to obtain monoclonal antibodies and hospitals were pushing remdesivir just because they got a bigger grant from the government and don’t even get me started on the vaccine. I’ve been in research and development for a major pharmaceutical company for over 20 years and I would never in the million years put that in my or my family’s bodies.

How many people die in the streets of California, Philadelphia, Ny and all around the us from overdose on fentanyl just because our president could care less about American people and secure the borders but yup blame republicans.

 

Question...

When Biden reclaims the White House, if he has a majority in both houses, could he do anything about abortion rights? IE Is there a way around the high court's decision making? I mean - gay marriage is assured in all states (right!?) - so, could something be done at the federal level?

 

he won’t stay in office and why would you possibly want him to???? Can you Name one thing he improved or made your life easier??

 

I think you meant Biden and his son getting rich of china and Ukraine? Trump was a billionaire when he came in to the office unlike all the democrat senators that make 250k a year but are worth millions. Poorly educated people? Biden doesn’t even remember where he graduate from or where he is half the time. And I’m definitely not voting for Trump there’re better candidates for office than Trump

 

It's the same procedure to extract a normal fetus as a dead one.

At the time I posted this, I was being sarcastic, but in Texas there are 15 women, who all wanted their children, but due to complications the baby died, and because of how vague the law was written, their doctors were opting on the side of professional caution, and did not perform an abortion to extract the dead fetus.

Doesn't matter if you believe me, try looking out up.

Your comparison is apples to asteroids. A Ruptured colon doesn't involve a fetus.


And for the rest of your rant... I'll just say you're misinformed.

Go look at Texas.

 

Yes. Yes, there have been many reports of the horriffic things women have faced since Roe was reversed and the Supreme Court said this is a states issue, not a federal one. The triggered liberals have frothed and twirled and stamped their feet with almost daily copy N paste articles about injustice faced by poor pregnant women.

The thing is, if we dig down we just always find out there's more to the story, and sometimes we even see where a dishonest liberal has carefully edited the story to try and demonize the right to life folks.

The point is, be careful what you believe, no matter who posts it, and do your own research.​

 

It will take more than just winning back the House. Democrats will also have to expand their majority in the Senate to get anything passed. But that is looking more and more possible because about 60% of the country supports a woman's right to abortion. And so far in every red state where people actually got a chance to vote on abortion it has won.

 

Jen Psaki crushes triggered Republicans with abortion fact-check

Sarah K. Burris
August 27, 2023, 3:25 PM ET



Photo: Screen capture


MSNBC host Jen Psaki triggered a lot of Republicans and anti-choice activists this week who tried to attack her for one of her tweets. Instead, she's striking back with her own fact-check.

"No one supports abortion up until birth," Psaki tweeted during the Republican debate on Wednesday. The concept of "late-term abortion" is a frequently used talking point that comes from the right to demonize the left. One anti-choice group, for example, attacked Psaki's comments with clips of Democrats talking about the topic, and supporting the life and health of the mother.

Others accuse the right of using the topic as a means of emotionally manipulating opinions about abortion using false information or issues taken out of context.

Psaki played the clips from Republicans in the debate using terms like "abortions up until birth" from Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-FL) and "abortions on demand," in the case of Sen. Tim Scott (R-SC). Even Nikki Haley said she wants someone to "ask Joe Biden if he is for 38 weeks, 39 weeks or 40 weeks."


Psaki explained it has become a big talking point for the GOP as they try to face off against the public, angry over the elimination of Roe v. Wade.

The idea of abortion after viability is incredibly rare, she explained, and it's exclusively for the use of the life and health of the fetus or mother. If someone is in crisis and the fetus is viable, doctors deliver as safely as possible. In fact, they happen less than 1 percent of the time.

What has been happening in Texas is many women reach later terms in their pregnancy and discover there's something seriously wrong with the fetus. Either it is in crisis or it has stopped developing normally. That, then, puts the mother's life at risk.

In the case of three women, their fetuses were not going to make it, but they were denied an abortion. In some cases, they had to carry it until her life was at risk.

"Ashley Brandt, a Dallas resident, said she was pregnant with twins but learned one had a fatal condition called acrania. The longer she carried it, the more it jeopardized the survival of her other twin," NBC News reported.

Had she been forced to carry them both, she likely would have delivered early, hurting the other twin needlessly.

“I would have had to give birth to an identical version of my daughter without a skull and without a brain and hold her until she died,” Brandt said.

Psaki cited a Washington Post report of statistics revealing that in Virginia since 2000, only three late-term abortions were performed in 23 years. In Oklahoma, in 2021, there were six abortions after 21 weeks when there were nearly 6,000 abortions. In Colorado, which has a clinic that specializes in late-term abortions, about 1.8 percent of 11,580 abortions took place after 25 weeks or later.

The doctor at that Colorado clinic said that all of the women involved in these cases were devastated and these were wanted pregnancies.

No one, Psaki said, is rooting for late-term abortions. No one wants them, but politicians making the medical decisions for the families using talking points over a physician is what Democrats fight against.

See her comments in the video below or at the link here.




Inside with Jen Psaki



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10:59 AM · Aug 27, 2023



https://www.rawstory.com/republican-party-jen-psaki/

 

Bet Jen didn't check DC law, did she?

 

Oh really?
Well lets do a bit of fact checking ourselves then, shall we?

"No one supports abortion up until birth," Psaki tweeted during the Republican debate on Wednesday. The concept of "late-term abortion" is a frequently used talking point that comes from the right to demonize the left. One anti-choice group, for example, attacked Psaki's comments with clips of Democrats talking about the topic, and supporting the life and health of the mother."
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D.C. Law 23-90. Strengthening Reproductive Health Protections Amendment Act of 2020. | D.C. Law Library (dccouncil.gov)
District of Columbia Abortion Laws - FindLaw

"Washington D.C. now has among the least restrictive abortion laws in the country. Abortions do not need to be performed by a licensed physician; the district does not ban late-term abortions; and there are no requirements that abortions be performed at a hospital or with a second doctor present. There are public funds available for women seeking an abortion in the case of rape or incest."​

 

@toniter

What Jen Psaki documented if the same false narrative we see about "abortion" up to moment of birth we see on this thread. "Infanticide" abortion up to the moment of birth" things like that to try and create the totally false impression that women are waltzing into hospitals and aborting their perfectly healthy babies just for the convenience of it. Which is just a really sickening disgusting lie. The abortions after 21 weeks only account for 1% of abortions and are performed either to save the woman's life or the baby cannot live outside the womb.

And here's the alternative.


The would-be mothers described in vivid, harrowing detail how the state’s abortion ban had endangered their health, traumatized them, and, in the case of Samantha Casiano, forced her to carry and give birth to a baby girl without a formed skull or brain only to watch her die a tortured death four hours later.


“She was gasping for air,” Casiano testified on the witness stand. She described how her baby turned purple and her eyeballs were bleeding. “I just kept telling myself and my baby that ‘I’m so sorry that this has happened to you.’ I felt so bad. She had no mercy. There was no mercy there for her.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/she-gasping-air-abortion-fight-100014508.html

 

@stumbler... I saw Jen Psaki's comments on tv as well. What I took note of was a chart showing 0.9 % (less than one out of one hundred) are aborted for extreme medical emergencies. They are traumatic and terribly emotional experiences.
Leave the government out of it.

 

The liberals are racing around declaring that no, they don't support infanticide because women aren't aborting their babies just before they are born.
If their claim is true, then why the FUCK do we need the law in DC to have no restrictions on when an abortion takes place?
Because women find out a week or so before birth their baby has a fatal defect?
No. What with blood tests, high definition ultrasound and other medical advances, life threatening birth defects are almost always uncovered by 20 weeks.

The kind of defects that aren't discovered until birth (or just before) are Downs syndrome, blindness, Muscular Dystrophy and cleft palate. Mothers aborting a child at birth because of these defects are why there are no restrictions on late term abortion.

That's infanticide and the left supports it.

But we see cases where viable babies are aborted for the convenience of the mother. Jessica Burgess is a perfect example of this, and she was even politicized in a failed attempt to make her the victim in a clear case of infanticide.

Now whether one believes a baby who is blind, or has a cleft palate is justifiably aborted at birth, it is infanticide.
Deal with it.

 

Cop Shooter is also Dr. Shooter.
Where have you been?