Who are you, again?

 

There can't be much of a bigger waste of time than watching the false propaganda videos you post. That's just dumb. Anyone can cay anything they want in videos on the internet. You can always find someone to tell you what you want to hear. They are nothing but lies and false right wing propaganda. And if you want to debate that post one of them right here.

 

lmao, naw fuck that

 

Because you are a coward that can't even back up your personal attacks let alone defend what you post. Not even on the thread you created. Which makes you a laughingstock as well.


But I am going to debate your bullshit lies anyway.

 

i will never debate someone so lazy as you... get over it dude, let it go or go do some research

 

The lazy as well as phony one is the one who expects me to debate an unreadable screen shot instead of posting the link to the post you ranted on. That is being just a lazy phony coward on your part.

But let me see what I can do with it taking your false propaganda right wing talking points apart one at a time.

That is just a really stupid and ignorant thing to say. Of course Satanism exists. It has always existed in this country. The Puritans hung more than 20 people for "witchcraft" in the early 1600's during the Salem Witch Trials

But as soon as the Constitution was written Satanism fell under the same First Amendment protections as all other religions. And people who don't believe that find out the hard way.


WCMH
School district and The Satanic Temple reach agreement in lawsuit over After School Satan Club
The Associated Press
Sun, November 19, 2023 at 1:03 PM MST·2 min read
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HELLERTOWN, Pa. (AP) — An eastern Pennsylvania school district has reached a settlement with The Satanic Temple in a lawsuit that alleged the district discriminated against students by barring one of the group’s After School Satan clubs from using a school building earlier this year.

The American Civil Liberties Union said Thursday that the Saucon Valley School District had agreed to pay $200,000 in attorney’s fees and to provide The Satanic Temple and the After School Satan Club it sponsors the same access to school facilities as is provided to other organizations.


The ACLU filed the lawsuit in March after the district rescinded its earlier approval to allow the club to meet following criticism. The After School Satan Club, with the motto “Educatin’ with Satan,” had drawn protests and even a threat in February that prompted closure of district schools for a day and the later arrest of a person in another state.


Saucon Valley school district attorney Mark Fitzgerald told reporters in a statement that the district denies having discriminated against The Satanic Temple, its club or “the approximately four students” who attended its meetings. He said the district’s priorities were education and the safety of students and staff.

“By enforcing its policies regarding the use of facilities, the district maintained a safe educational environment for its students in the face of credible threats of violence that had already caused closure of the schools and panic in the community,” Fitzgerald said.

The $200,000 will be paid by the district’s insurance and “all organizations will be following the district’s facilities use policy in the future,” he said.

The Satanic Temple says it doesn’t believe in religion in public schools and only seeks to open clubs if other religious groups are operating on campus. The After School Satan clubs are aimed at providing a “fun, intellectually stimulating, and non-proselytizing alternative to current religious after-school clubs,” the organization said.

The group says it has no interest in “converting children to Satanism” and in fact views Satan not as a supernatural being but as “a literary figure that represents a metaphorical construct of rejecting tyranny over the human mind and spirit.” The club’s programs, they say, focus on “science, critical thinking, creative arts, and good works for the community.”

June Everett, director of The Satanic Temple’s After School Satan Club program, told The Philadelphia Inquirer that the group was pleased the dispute had been resolved. She indicated, however, that the club may not reopen anytime soon, even though it could.

The group said it sought to open a club in Saucon Valley because the district permitted a Good News Club, which is Christian. Everett said since that club now appears to be inactive, the After School Satan Club will also be on hold, but the group will seek to reopen it if the Good News Club resumes.



https://www.yahoo.com/news/school-district-satanic-temple-reach-200346196.html


So what's your point about Satanism @NiceKalven?

 

show me where i typed that satanism does not exist... i used to be one

 

The plot thickens!

 

Look at your own screen shot. I took that verbatim off it.

 

lmfao are you serious bro?

 

Out of all the hilarious phony bullshit I have seen on this forum you take the cake. First you demand I debate a screen shout. And then you don't even know what YOU posted.


Like this.

No that does not exist. That is just another one of those right wing false propaganda noise machine lies that has been spoon fed to you that you are gullible enough to believe.


“In some liberal states, you actually have post-birth abortions.”
















Ron DeSantis’ False claim that some states allow ‘post-birth’ abortions. None do.
If Your Time is short

• 
  Killing an infant after birth is infanticide and is illegal in all 50 states.
  
• Situations that result in a fetal death in the third trimester are exceedingly rare, reproductive health experts said, and usually involve emergencies such as fatal anomalies or life-threatening complications affecting the mother.
  
• In life-threatening cases, an expecting mother may be induced into labor. If the newborn has a very short life expectancy, a family may opt for palliative care, which aims to provide comfort to an infant near death. These cases typically involve medical conditions that result in a baby surviving minutes or days after delivery, experts said.
  

See the sources for this fact-check
Republican presidential candidate Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis said in a recent interview that some states allow abortion after an infant has already been born.

CNN host Jake Tapper asked DeSantis whether he would support a federal abortion ban as president. DeSantis, who signed Florida’s contested six-week abortion ban in April, said he would be a "pro-life president," but gave no direct answer.

"In some liberal states," he said, "you actually have post-birth abortions and I think that’s wrong."




Some on social media thought DeSantis misspoke, but the post-birth abortion claim is something that Republicans and anti-abortion activists have repeated for years, before the U.S. Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade in June 2022.

The claim was wrong then, and it is wrong now: Willfully terminating a newborn’s life is not legal in any state.

Gretchen Ely, a professor at the University of Tennessee, Knoxville's, college of social work who studies reproductive health, said the claim "couldn’t be more wrong."


She said these types of claims misleadingly try to equate an intervention that might take place in the third trimester when there’s a fetal anomaly with an elective abortion where someone can just decide after birth that they don’t want a baby.

When asked for evidence to support his claim, a DeSantis campaign aide pointed us to two resources, neither of which established that states sanction killing newborns.


One was a press release outlining Republican support for a bill advocates say would require infants get medical care after attempted abortions. Opponents say the new bill is redundant under the "Born-Alive Infants Protection Act of 2002."



The other was a webpage from the Charlotte Lozier Institute, an anti-abortion organization, that explored cases in which it said abortion attempts failed and babies were born. But it contained a number of irrelevant or erroneous citations. For example, one 2018 study that it cited referred to second-trimester abortions in Europe, not the U.S., and found that half resulted in live births, with most babies dying within minutes. The study’s authors said the abortions were sought because of anomalies or genetic abnormalities. The gestational age represents a range when many fetuses cannot yet survive independently.

It also cited another 2018 study as evidence but misrepresented the findings. The study’s lead author, Dr. Katharine White, told PolitiFact there’s "no such thing as a post-birth abortion."
Killing infants after birth is illegal

A recent California law aims to protect parents from prosecution when they lose a baby after delivery because of a pregnancy-related complication. But no U.S. state permits infants to be killed after birth.



No state allows post-birth abortions," said Lois Shepard, a University of Virginia law and biomedical ethics professor who has authored several books about end of life care. "First, an abortion refers to terminating a pregnancy, and a pregnancy does not continue after birth. But second, that would be killing a born human being, who is a person entitled to the equal protection of the laws, including prohibitions against murder. No state permits infanticide."

Ely said that some states will assist with later termination because of fetal anomalies, "but there is not a state, or probably any place in the world, that would allow someone to murder an infant after they were born."

The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists also rebutted the statement and said that "there is no such thing." Kelly Baden, vice president of policy at the Guttmacher Institute, an abortion-rights research group, called the claim "outrageous and false" and said the rhetoric has "no basis in evidence, facts or medical standards of care and serves only to place abortion providers and patients at risk."

Legal experts have also pointed to specific federal laws that apply to newborns:


The Child Abuse Prevention and Treatment Act, passed in 1974 and since revised. The relevant portion makes certain types of federal funding for states conditional on their adopting policies to prevent withholding of treatment from newborns, including those with disabilities. The Born-Alive Infants Protection Act of 2002 established that federal legal protections that applied to "persons" also covered children brn at any stage of development, including after an abortion.

Claim misrepresents how and why later abortions take place

Conservative claims about "post-birth" abortions or abortions "up to the moment of birth" appear to misinterpret what happens when a mother grappling with a life-threatening diagnosis is induced into labor and gives birth to a baby with a short life expectancy.

Families and doctors may choose to provide palliative care, a plan in obstetric and newborn care that aims to provide comfort to a baby when there is little or no prospect of long-term survival.


Some families choose this route when they learn during pregnancy that the baby has a genetic or structural condition that could mean the baby survives only minutes or days after delivery. These problems can sometimes surface by the end of the first trimester, but may not until halfway through the pregnancy, or later.


In these cases, patients may decide to end their pregnancies through abortion, or to choose to give birth with options for palliative care. If patients choose the latter, the American Academy of Pediatrics has stated that (patients) should also be allowed to choose palliative care or attempted resuscitation in light of the high likelihood of death and significant degree of neurodevelopmental impairment that may result from birth," The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists says on its website.

The vast majority of abortions in the U.S., about 91%, occur in the first trimester. Only about 1% take place after 21 weeks, and far less than 1% occur in the third trimester.

Dr. Nisha Verma, an OB-GYN who provides full-spectrum reproductive health care, including abortions, reiterated the rarity of abortions late in a pregnancy. But she said she’s had patients who received terrible fetal diagnoses and needed abortions in the third trimester. She gave an example of a baby who didn’t develop a brain and wouldn’t survive after birth.


I have also had patients diagnosed with life-threatening medical conditions during the third trimester that require delivery," Verma said. "In these situations, I counsel my patients about the options, and in many situations, based on my patient's wishes, proceed with an induction of labor or C-section that aims to protect both the patient and the baby."

Overall, reproductive health experts said the language many politicians are using around abortion spreads false information that risks the lives and wellbeing of physicians and patients.

"It's purposely misrepresenting medical terms that are understood differently by the lay public," Ely, from the University of Tennessee, said. "Like ‘late term abortion,’ which is not a real medical term that’s been crafted carefully to try to make people think that you could have an abortion in some liberal state like New York all the way up to, and after, a baby’s been born. But that is completely counter to the laws of the land and our moral compass as humans."


Our ruling
DeSantis claimed that "some liberal states" have post-birth abortions.

There is no evidence to support this.

Killing an infant after birth is infanticide and is illegal in all 50 states. Situations resulting in a fetal death in the third trimester are exceedingly rare, and involve emergencies such as fetal anomalies or life-threatening medical emergencies affecting the mother.

Sometimes, labor is induced, followed by palliative care, for babies with very short life expectancies. Some families choose this option when faced with life-threatening diagnoses that often limit their babies’ post-birth survival to just minutes or days after delivery, experts said.

We rate DeSantis’ claim False.

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...santis-false-claim-that-some-states-allow-po/




And anything else you want to know about late term abortions can be found here.

Now do you concede that point or do you have evidence to the contrary?

 

@NiceKalven
You see why you don't debate american hater?
As soon as one of his lies is exposed he diverts to some other topic and buries you in full page copy N paste rants.

You win.
Take your trophy and move on.

 

One has to admit that Stumbler must have a sorry, unfulfilling life when you see that at a certain time of day, he appears, having scoured leftist media like Raw Story and does post after post of his regurgitated 'daily news' - as if anything he says matters (to anyone who actually thinks).

This is the portrait of a sad, sad man who's looking for something to make his life somehow important, but will forever remain unfulfilled.

Pathetic.

Now, his best comeback will be to call me 'Clarise,' which is his own invention.
Call me that all day long - I don't care about what trolls have to say.

 

This is just classic Clarise. I bet if it was worth my trouble I could go back and find lots of your old posts that would be nearly identical to this one.

You can't deal with the real me so you just make up something in your head that you can deal with and attack that.

When the opposite is true. I am living the dream.We moved to be closer to our kids and grand kids where both love and fun abound. Hell we just finished unloading a cord of firewood. And even that was fun. Especially since the two youngest grand kids worked their little butts off.

And I also enjoy my personal war against treasonous conservative/America Hating/Republicans. Now more so than ever because the stakes are higher. A fight to save the our Constitutional democracy from the treasonous conservative/America Hating/Republicans who want an authoritarian dictatorship governed by Sharia Law For Christians enforced by the American Taliban.

But you do have me on one thing. I am also a news hound that is constantly checking more than a dozen news sties. Because reality happens every second of every day. And I want to know what is going on in the real world. And then use that to counter the lies, false propaganda, and psychological projection cranked out by the right wing false propaganda noise machine. And I am relentless about that.

No that is a picture you just made up like you are looking in the mirror. Its actually your psychological projection from someone who has been miserable since the first days you showed up on this forum.

And the proof of that is just about all you have ever done is personally attack others but you have to keep inventing new personas to sneak back on after you have been banned many times. But the real evidence of misery and fer hate and anger is you can't even face yourself so you have to keep inventing new personas and characters but you nev change

Yes you are. After all this time I still don't know if you are a he/she/it/. I just know any kind of sex freaks you out and that always comes through.

You know it and I know it Clarise and so do many other members who have been here long enough to remember you. You never change and it becomes obvious.


And now I think I will just build me a fire in the fire place. Its definitely cold enough. And my wife and I love seeing the fire and feeling cozy. And se definitely have enough wood.

 

Damn stumbler, did you really have to emasculate the poor guy like this.

 

As if I bothered to read all that drivel from a guy who espouses and advocates lies and disinformation.

I'm sure it was quite cutting...
LOL

 

It was just more bloviation from the american hater.
But he did admit he spends his days scouring media for stuff to post.
And then starts fires to stay warm.

 

Prove it Clarise. Post some examples of me lying and posting disinformation.

You can't. I know it and your know it. Because the opposite is true. So all you can do is run your mouth. Making false accusations and impotent personal attacks.

We have actually debated this before and you couldn't do it anymore than @NiceKalven can.

For a very simple reason. The strategy and method of operation of treasonous conservative/America Hating/Republicans is to lie, lie, and lie some more. And their lies will not stand up to even the most simple fact checks. And they are easily exposed.

What makes this so laughable is you claim you didn't read what I said but are still so obsessed with me you still have to respond.

 

What does this even mean? This is an example of why I said you were just babbling hysterical nonsense. But if you can defend it let's see you do it.



PS Jaguars beat Texans 24 21 after Texans field goal bounces off the cross bar.