The fact we have children including toddlers sitting in immigration courts without lawyers is maybe the best example of how terribly our immigration system is broken. That is just 0utragepus and goes against our own legal system. So this is greatly needed and long over due. So let's see treasonous conservative/America Hating/Republicans vote for it and actually do something to address the migrant crisis.



Bipartisan bill would provide kids-only courts for migrant children in immigration court
There are 62,000 pending cases involving kids who crossed the border without a parent, and many now have to defend their right to stay in the U.S. without lawyers.

Nov. 1, 2023, 3:00 AM MDT
By Julia Ainsley
A rare bipartisan bill on immigration aims to make the immigration court system friendlier and more navigable for unaccompanied migrant children.

There are 62,000 pending cases in U.S. immigration courts involving children who crossed the border without a parent, and many now have to defend their right to stay in the U.S. without lawyers in courts meant for adults and in front of judges who may not understand their unique situation.


Data from the Justice Department suggests nearly half defend themselves against deportation without any legal representation. Sometimes children too young to communicate verbally are left sitting in front of judges who are not trained in handling such sensitive cases.


The Immigration Court Efficiency and Children’s Court Act of 2023 was introduced in the Senate on Wednesday by Michael Bennet, D-Colo., and Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska, and in the House by Republicans Lori Chavez-DeRemer and Maria Salazar and Democrats Dan Goldman and Hillary Scholten.

The bill aims to give special training to immigration judges and allow them to see a special children’s-only docket. It would also ensure that children are “treated appropriately for their developmental age” and are connected to legal service organizations.

Bennet, who was part of the bipartisan “gang of eight” senators that wrote an immigration reform bill in 2013, the last time Congress got close to passing comprehensive reform, said, “I think this is a small way that we can make it more humane and more efficient with respect to some of the more vulnerable people that are involved, and that’s kids.”

In June, NBC News witnessed firsthand what the bill hopes to re-create in immigration courtrooms across the country.


Judge Kathleen Reilly presided over a courtroom in Hyattsville, Maryland, where all migrants in the morning session had entered the country as unaccompanied children. Some were brought by their adult sponsors, some are now adults, some joined remotely by video, but almost all with lawyers representing them.

Reilly instructed one young woman that she would need to try to find a lawyer and come back for another hearing later. To others she explained their rights and what it would mean to choose voluntary departures or pursue their cases further, which could end in deportation orders or “final order of removal.”

In the back of the courtroom, a local representative from a legal advocacy organization, Kids in Need of Defense, or KIND, stood by to determine which cases might need additional legal assistance. In some courtrooms like this, young children might be offered teddy bears.



In response to the bill’s introduction, KIND President Wendy Young said: “Immigration courts were designed for adults and do not recognize the unique vulnerability of unaccompanied children. Other judicial settings involving children create separate structures that acknowledge children’s developmental levels and challenging circumstances. Immigration courts should follow best practices from these settings to create a more child-friendly environment which improves their access to due process.”

Bennet said the bill aims to make the process not just more humane for children, but more efficient, too. If children are connected with lawyers earlier in the process, fewer cases will be delayed. And if judges can focus on children-only dockets, the bill drafters argue, it would “combat the immigration court backlog,” which stands at over 2.7 million cases.

Bennet said he is hopeful the bill will pass because it has already achieved the status of being both bipartisan and bicameral, a rare feat for legislation in the current political climate, especially on the issue of immigration. But, he said, regardless of whether the bill passes, the U.S. needs more immigration judges to address the backlog of pending cases.

The bill does not guarantee the children will have lawyers — the right to legal counsel is afforded only to U.S. citizens — but Bennet said he thinks more will find lawyers as a result of the legislation.

“The idea here is that the judges, if they are people that have experience with children and if they are people that have a docket that is committed to children, that they would have more access to outside organizations that have lawyers and other advocates that could work with kids,” he said.


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/invest...pecial-courtrooms-migrant-children-rcna119175

 

ILLEGAL MIGRANTS and asylum seekers are not given a guarantee of legal representation.
Immigration hearings are considered civil in nature and therefore, the usual guarantee of representation is not a guarantee at all.
The estimated cost of providing legal representation, assuming the no show rate remains at or above 68% would be about $750 MILLION ($750,000,000) and up to $1 BILLION ($1,000,000,000 0) annually.

The Biden administration and the American Immigration Council, a Non government organization that advocates for ILLEGAL MIGRANTS understandably support mandatory legal representation paid for by the American Government.

It is unsurprising that the despicables would support paid legal representation to ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.
It's all part of the open borders plan Biden has.

 

Well sure everyone knows toddlers should be forced to go to court without a lawyer. That's only fair. After all they are Brown.

 

Hey Stumbler, exactly how many toddlers are there in the system just now?
Don't know, do you?
BECAUSE THE FEDERAL FUCKING GOVERNMENT DOESN'T KNOW, BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN PASSING THEM THROUGH THE BORDER WITHOUT EVEN BOTHERING TO GIVE THEM A COURT DATE, EH???

You'd sell your mother to skewer a conservative.
Disgusting.

 

Just like we see here all the time and all over this thread treasonous conservative/America Hating/Republicans will just continue to tell the same lies over and over and over again no matter how many times they are proven lies. Or rag eon and on screaming toddlers being forced to go to immigration court without attorneys is a vicious liberal lie. Prove that is happening so many times and with so much documentation it becomes undeniable so they just pretend like that never happened and then suddenly say of course toddlers shouldn't have attorneys in court just look at the cost.

We would have to go back more than a hundred years to the forced removal of Native American children to "boarding schools" to find anything even close to Trump's child separation policy. With the glaring difference being no matter how destructive and misguided the Native America boarding schools were the idea was at least well meaning. When Trump's child separation policies were specifically designed for cruelty was the point. Kidnap immigrant children to try and terrorize parents as a way of trying to keep them from seeking asylum. With such enthusiasm in many if not most cases they didn't even keep records on the children so they could not reunite them with their parents. Those children were not even human beings to Trump and his administration. Nothing more than just little pawns to be used in their cruel game.

And the games go on.




'Why are you laughing?' GOP lawmaker flips out on witness during tense hearing

Brad Reed
January 17, 2024 12:46PM ET



Rep. Anna Paulina Luna (R-FL) attends a House Oversight Committee hearing titled "Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency" on Capitol Hill 26, 2023 in Washington, D.C. Drew Angerer/Getty Images




Rep. Anna Paulina Luna (R-FL) flew into a rage at Cato Institute immigration expert David Bier on Wednesday after he openly mocked her defense of the Trump administration's policies of separating migrant children from their parents.

During a hearing on immigration in the House of Representatives, Luna slammed Bier's contention that the Trump administration inflicted psychological trauma on migrant children by separating them "from their quote-unquote-parents."

This apparently caused Bier to start laughing, which drew an angry reaction from Luna.

"Why are you laughing?" she demanded to know.

"Because you said, 'quote-unquote parents,' as if they weren't really their parents," he replied.

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"You have no idea!" she shot back.

"I do have an idea!" replied Bier.

"You have no idea if these people are their ... parents or not," said Luna.

"No, we do," insisted Bier.

"Oh really, are you psychic?" Luna demanded to know.

Bier tried to get Luna to read an inspector general's report outlining documented family separations, but Luna wouldn't have any of it.

"You have no idea what you are doing and you are hurting these children!" she said.

In fact, it has been confirmed the Trump administration forcibly separated more than a thousand children from their parents, and the Biden administration so far has had success in reuniting hundreds of them.

Watch the video below or at this link.


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https://www.rawstory.com/anna-paulina-luna-2666982558/

 

american hater is such a fucking liar.

"Just like we see here all the time and all over this thread treasonous conservative/America Hating/Republicans will just continue to tell the same lies over and over and over again no matter how many times they are proven lies. Or rag eon and on screaming toddlers being forced to go to immigration court without attorneys is a vicious liberal lie. Prove that is happening so many times and with so much documentation it becomes undeniable so they just pretend like that never happened and then suddenly say of course toddlers shouldn't have attorneys in court just look at the cost.​

In this very thread Shooter challenged american hater to produce a single case where a juvenile went to court unrepresented. american hater threw some shit around but in the end couldn't provide a single case and he ran off, like he always does.

And now he wants to resurrect the lie and in the process add "immigration court" to the mix.
Sorry american hater. Fail.

But as long as you've resurrected your humiliating exposure as a liar, lets give you yet another chance to double down, shall we?

There are only 1100 or so posts in this thread where, for the last 5 years the debate has raged about unaccompanied minors. It's where Shooter first challenged you to provide a single case of a minor forced into court unrepresented. You should be able to post here proof that ".......... is happening so many times and with so much documentation it becomes undeniable".

And lets put some skin in the game, what say?
If you prove that in fact any unaccompanied minor has been forced into court without representation Shooter will ban himself from XNXX.
If you can't prove that in fact any unaccompanied minor has been forced into court without representation you, Stumbler, will ban your self from XNXX.

And by proof we ain't talking wrong story. We're talking court case citation, name date and court.

You up for it, liar?

Or are you going to run away again.

 

He's just a:

 

All anyone needs to do to see the obvious liar on this thread is just go up to the top of the page. And if anyone really wants to laugh at the obvious liar all they would need to do is go back a few pages to see all the documented stories about immigrant toddlers ending up in immigration courts without lawyers.


So what we are really seeing here is just another great example of why its a total waste of time to play in a rigged game against a fair haired boy where the rules don't apply to him because he is protected by the administration.

 

Well then american hater, heres your chance to save the forum.

One case.
Name, court, date, case number.
Minor forced into court and denied legal representation.

Or, keep spewing your lying bullshit.

 

Try this on....

 

C.J.L.G., a juvenile male v Jefferson B. Sessions, III
United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth District
Argued August 8, 2017
Filed January 29, 2018
No. 16-73801

 

Did you read the case, @toniter?

Do you understand the american haters claim and shooters challenge?

Or did american hater engage you to test the waters?

Lets clarify then.
American haters claim has been that the Trump administration ripped screaming babes from the arms of their loving mothers and tossed them into cages where they were starved, denied everything but bread and water, sexually and physically abused, lost in the system, and forced into court unrepresented so the court could send the now parentless innocent children away.

When we got through all the propaganda and lies it all came down to minors in foster care denied legal representation in court. Mind you, we're not talking immigration court here, separate process from foster care, but the only difference is that the government doesn't pay for legal representation in immigration proceedings. The ILLEGAL imigrant has a right to representation, but not at government cost.

A kid in foster care is absolutely guaranteed legal representation at government cost.

American hater has persisted in spewing the lie that unacompanied minors are denied representation, and he's either out of ignorance or evil intent mixed foster care kids and ILLEGAL MIGRANTS.
So go back to american hater and tell him put up or shut up. One case. Court, court citation, name. One case of any kid denied legal representation. One.

 

This seems to be where it all started and was not about foster care courts at all. Shooter is either confused or intentionally redirecting the conversation to...save face?

 

Actually he's just doing what he always does. Tell lie after lie, never admit he is wrong, keep moving the goal posts, and personally attack with a bunch of false accusations.

Such as one of the more sickening and disgusting things on this thread is when he tried to derail it and distract by posting horror stories about children in foster care. Which was nothing more than an attempt to cover up the fact Trump and his administration were in fact kid napping migrant children from their parents, putting them in over crowded cages, without keeping records on who they and their parents were. And in many cases deporting the parents without their children who then end up in foster care.

And for what? For his Chosen One Traitor Trump who he must always try to defend no matter what and at all costs. And can only use lies, false propaganda, and psychological projection to do it. The proof of that is all over this thread. But we don't have to go any further than the top of the page to see the lying phony fraudulent game demanding proof of something when the proof is already provided and even highlighted.

When we need to keep in mind just how sickening, disgusting, and cruel his phony dishonest games are. We are talking about Trump and his administration kidnapping migrant children including infants from their parents in many cases not even bothering to keep records on them under the belief that something that cruel would make asylum seekers afraid to try and come to the US. Using totally innocent little children as just pawns in a game because they don't even see them as humans because they Brown or Black skin.

That is the reality of what he is defending.

 

So what's it gonna be, american hater?
You going to give us a case where a juvenile was forced into court without a lawyer?
Or are you going to continue to play your word games?
And send in your minions to do your fighting for you?
Or are you going to run away?

NO unacompanied minor is forced to be in any court unrepresented.
NOT ONE OF THEM.
NONE.
The narrow note is that an ILLEGAL MIGRANT has to pay for their own legal counsel IN IMMIGRATION HEARINGS.
And we even "debated" that issue, the question being why America should pay the legal fees of ILLEGAL MIGRANTS?
Not migrants claiming asylum at the border. Different deal.
ILLEGAL MIGRANTS in deportation hearings pay their own attorney fees or get one of the many free attorney groups.

"kid napping migrant children from their parents, "
LIE and you know it's a LIE.

"putting them in over crowded cages, without keeping records on who they and their parents were.
Another fucking lie. What's the first thing EVERY ILLEGAL MIGRANT gets? Fingerprinted, you lying ass. FINGERPRINTED.
"And in many cases deporting the parents without their children who then end up in foster care."
And tell us, fucking american hating liar, in those cases the parents told their kids to stay and not be deported with them with the hope that they would eventually get citizenship and bring the parents back, eh?

and when those kids end up in foster care, are they provided with an attorney? You never answered that question either, Mr. "I'm an expert on foster care" lying ass.
TWAT

 

First let's look at the obvious. What good would it have done to fingerprint migrant children separated from their parents? How could a child's finger prints reunite them with their parents? Especially after their parents have been deported.

But we also have to look at the lie after lie after lie trying to excuse and distract from the fact Trump and his administration kidnapped migrant children from their parents to use them as pawns in a cruel game to try and scare migrants seeking asylum from coming to the US. The children including infants and toddlers were not seen as even human and in many cases they did not even keep records on them.

And fingerprints? That would be just so laughable is it wasn't about innocent children Trump kidnapped.


Take special note of two things. One even a pilot program of fingerprinting migrants didn't start until 2019. Which was actually after Trump was forced to end the child separation policy. And note even then it was voluntary on the part of the parents.

It is stomach turning to see those who just continue to blatantly lie about what happened to those innocent migrant children.

Border Patrol expands fingerprinting of migrant children


By NOMAAN MERCHANT
Published 4:13 PM MST, April 26, 2019

HOUSTON (AP) — U.S. border authorities say they’ve started to increase the biometric data they take from children 13 years old and younger, including fingerprints, despite privacy concerns and government policy intended to restrict what can be collected from migrant youths.

A Border Patrol official said this week that the agency had begun a pilot program to collect the biometrics of children with the permission of the adults accompanying them, though he did not specify where along the border it has been implemented.

https://apnews.com/article/8aec21ef9cc34638a9e54a19466dc867

 

How else do we know Trump and his administration didn't keep records on many of the migrant children the kidnapped? Because they didn't even know how many migrant children the kidnapped.


And just keep looking at the lie after lie after lie and the phony disgusting dishonest games being played by the treasonous conservative/America Hating/Republicans who must always defend and lie for Trump no matter what he does.




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A government report released Thursday said the Trump administration probably separated thousands more migrant children from their parents at the U.S. border than has previously been made public, but federal efforts to track those children have been so poor that the precise number is unknown.


The report issued by the inspector general for the Department of Health and Human Services says no one systematically kept count of separated children until a lawsuit last spring triggered by the Trump administration’s “zero tolerance” policy, under which the government tried to criminally prosecute all parents who crossed the border illegally, taking their children from them in the process.


As a result of the lawsuit, the government identified about 2,700 separated children in federal custody as of June, some of them infants and toddlers.





But Health and Human Services officials say there was a sharp spike in separated children starting nearly a year earlier, shortly after President Trump took office, the report said. Investigators now say thousands more children were taken from their parents or other guardians by border or immigration agents during that time and later released.

The report said that estimate was based on “informal tracking” by the HHS office responsible for refugee children and did not include more specific numbers.

As a result of the lawsuit, the government began tracking separated children more closely. An additional 118 children were taken from their parents from July to November, the report said, in most cases because immigration enforcement officials said the adults had criminal histories or other issues.






Although previous administrations also separated minors at the border in some instances — usually when they suspected the child was smuggled, or if the parent appeared unfit — the report said the practice appears far more common under Trump and began nearly a year before administration officials publicly acknowledged it.

Separated children accounted for 0.3 percent of all unaccompanied minors taken into HHS custody in late 2016, near the end of the Obama administration, investigators found. By August 2017, the percentage had increased more than tenfold, to 3.6 percent.

The government’s announcement in May that it was significantly increasing separations because of the zero-tolerance policy triggered an international uproar, prompting Trump to halt the practice in late June.


The American Civil Liberties Union, which sued the government over the separations, said the report released Thursday “reaffirms that the government never had a clear picture of how many children it ripped from their parents. . . . We will be back in court over this latest revelation.”



A spokeswoman for the Department of Homeland Security pushed back against the finding that thousands of additional migrant children had been separated, saying the report did not provide a solid basis for that figure.

Spokeswoman Katie Waldman said, however, that the report “vindicates” the department’s contention that the federal government has been separating children from parents with criminal records or other evidence that they posed a danger for many years.


HHS spokeswoman Evelyn Stauffer said the report illustrates “the herculean work” done by staff in the Office of Refugee Resettlement, part of the department’s Administration for Children and Families, to figure out which children in its care had been separated and reunify them with their parents.

Stauffer noted that investigators had found “no evidence whatsoever suggesting that [the refugee office] lost track of children in its care” — a reference to allegations last year triggered by reports that some sponsors did not respond to inquiries from government officials after minors were released to their custody.



The 24-page report by the HHS internal watchdog gives new insight in particular into the time before and after the court order that resulted from the ACLU lawsuit, which required HHS officials to carefully track the status of separated children and submit reports to a federal judge.


It also draws fresh attention to flawed data systems and poor communication between federal agencies, which left HHS officials uncertain this summer which of the minors in their custody had been separated.


Asked Thursday whether those systems are now adequate, Ann Maxwell, an assistant HHS inspector general, told reporters, “The jury is still out on that.



In a separate interview, Maxwell said the informal tracking by health officials consisted at first of a spreadsheet kept by the refugee office and later an online document to which field staff could make additions if they heard anecdotally from the contract facilities about children who had been separated.




The report is the first in a series of “issue briefs” the inspector general’s office is planning this year to shed light on the system of care in which tens of thousands of minors apprehended at the border are housed in a network of private facilities run by contractors and scattered around the country.

The shelters serve as way stations for the youngsters while the refugee office and caseworkers look for potential sponsors — usually adult relatives — they can live with as they await immigration hearings.

Later reports will focus on background checks and other screening of staff hired at the facilities, their response to incidents in which children are harmed, and their ability to provide appropriate medical and mental health care.


The overwhelming majority of minors in HHS custody cross the border on their own, but the agency also takes charge of children whom the government separates from their parents.



According to the report, the most common reason the Department of Homeland Security gave health officials for the 118 most recent separations was that parents had a criminal history. But information on the parents’ criminal records often was so sketchy, the report said, that it is unclear whether the separations were warranted or whether the children could be safely returned to their parents. When the refugee office sought more information, the report said, DHS officials “did not always respond.”

Last fall, the DHS produced an unpublished report documenting the chaos triggered by the family separations.


Among other things, the report found that 860 migrant children were kept in Border Patrol holding cells longer than three days and that inadequate steps were taken to track the identities of children too young to talk.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...5f51e6-19c6-11e9-8813-cb9dec761e73_story.html

 

More spew, dodging and weaving, and doubling down.

One. Just one.