GUN RIGHTS

ace's n 8's · Apr 9, 2018

stumbler · Apr 29, 2018

Exclusive: NRA gathers documents amid scrutiny over ties to Kremlin-linked banker

Washington (CNN)The National Rifle Association is setting aside years of documents related to its interactions with a Kremlin-linked banker, as the gun-rights group appears to be bracing for a possible investigation, according to sources familiar with the situation.

The NRA has faced fresh scrutiny from congressional investigators about its finances and ties to Alexander Torshin, one of the 17 prominent Russian government officials the US Treasury Department recently slapped with sanctions. The gun-rights group has said it is reexamining its relationship with Torshin, who is a lifetime NRA member, in the wake of the sanctions.

The renewed attention has highlighted the close-knit if sometimes uneasy alliance between top NRA officials and Torshin -- a relationship that ensnared members of Trump's team during the presidential campaign, inviting further congressional scrutiny.

Those inquiries could shed light on the tightly held fundraising practices and political activities of the NRA. The political powerhouse shelled out more than $30 million in 2016 to back Donald Trump's candidacy -- more than it spent on 2008 and 2012 political races combined, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. Vice President Mike Pence is slated to speak at the National Rifle Association's annual convention in Dallas next Friday, an official told CNN.

The NRA recently found itself facing allegations that the FBI was investigating whether Torshin illegally funneled money through the group to bolster Trump, according to a McClatchy report. The NRA has publicly denied any contact from the FBI and insisted it hasn't accepted illegal donations.

Despite the public denials, officials at the gun-rights group have been anxiously preparing as if they were already under investigation, sources said. Some employees have been tasked with preserving years of documents mentioning Torshin or his associate, Maria Butina, who runs a pro-guns group in Russia, a source familiar with the situation said. Privately, some officials have expressed anxiety about a potential investigation and the group's Russian ties.

The NRA's precautions could be little more than due diligence as the group faces inquiries from congressional investigators and the media about its relationship with Torshin. But the feeling among some officials internally is that the group appears to be readying for an investigation.

"True believers to the cause are getting very antsy," said a person privy to the NRA's internal deliberations. "They were definitely preparing, they were bracing themselves."

The NRA declined to comment.

NRA inroads
Torshin, the deputy head of Russia's central bank who served for years as a senator in the Russian parliament, began making inroads into the NRA with the help of Tennessee lawyer G. Kline Preston. Preston, who said he has known Torshin for about a decade, said the Russian wanted to meet the leadership of the NRA, so Preston cold-called then-NRA President David Keene. In other media interviews, Preston said that call took place around 2011.

"I can certainly say without any reservation that Torshin's intent was purely about helping with the expansion of gun rights," Preston said. "Infiltrating to influence the NRA politically is a red herring."

But even some within the NRA viewed the partnership warily.

When Donald Trump Jr. arrived for a dinner on the sidelines of the NRA's 2016 annual meeting in Louisville, some attendees -- including NRA officials -- were startled to discover Torshin and Butina already present at the restaurant where the reception was being held, according to sources familiar with the event. Torshin and Butina weren't invited to the dinner, but they were asked to stay and speak anyway.

"Donald J. Trump Jr. was attending an NRA convention and having dinner when an acquaintance asked him to say hello to Torshin and made an introduction," said Alan Futerfas, an attorney for Trump Jr. "They made small talk for a few minutes and went back to their separate meals. That is the extent of their communication or contact."

The seemingly impromptu encounter left some officials at the gun-rights group wondering whether it was a setup by the Russians, sources said.

Throughout the campaign, a number of people made overtures to Trump campaign aides on Torshin's behalf. Those emissaries sometimes touted their NRA connections as they aimed to helped Torshin quietly facilitate a relationship between then-presidential candidate Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin.

In one such email, a conservative activist reached out on Torshin's behalf to say his goal was "cultivating a back-channel to President Putin's Kremlin."

The activist added, "Putin is deadly serious about building a good relationship with Mr. Trump," according to the House Intelligence Committee reports.

The outreach efforts reached Trump son-in-law Jared Kushner, campaign manager Paul Manafort, his deputy Rick Gates, then-campaign adviser Rick Dearborn and Jeff Sessions, then a foreign policy adviser and now the attorney general, according to emails reviewed by the House Intelligence Committee.

In at least some of the cases their overtures were rebuffed. Torshin was unable to schedule a meeting with candidate Trump at the 2016 NRA meeting, but ultimately managed to meet Trump Jr.

Trump Jr. told congressional investigators he didn't speak to Torshin about the upcoming presidential election, according to the House Intelligence Committee's Russia report.

In an interview with Bloomberg News nearly a year after the event, Torshin touted his dinner with Trump Jr. at the NRA meeting and claimed he had known Trump for nearly five years.

It's unclear whether the outreach to Trump aides attracted the attention of special counsel Robert Mueller. But he and his team have been delving into the possibility that Russians may have injected foreign money into the 2016 race to influence the election.
The White House did not respond to requests for comment. A spokesperson for the Trump campaign declined to comment.

Worries about a Russian influence operation
The skepticism among some NRA officials about the pair of gun-loving Russians may have been well-founded.
Torshin's years-long involvement with the NRA had all the hallmarks of a Russian influence operation, Russia experts said. Russian operatives often look to build relationships with polarizing groups -- on either end of the political spectrum -- to breed division and advance the Russian agenda.

"We could give them the benefit of the doubt and say this is just a natural interest and affinity; this guy Torshin and this woman Butina are just gun aficionados," said Alina Polyakova, a Russia expert and foreign policy fellow at the Brookings Institution.
But given Torshin's stature -- a former Russian senator and now a deputy head at the Russian central bank -- that is exceedingly unlikely, experts said.

"To me this seems like part and parcel of an influence operation," Polyakova said.
Torshin did not respond to requests for comment.

Prolific on Twitter, he has tweeted that the report of an FBI investigation was little more than a rumor. Preston, the Tennessee lawyer, said Torshin was similarly dismissive of those reports when the two men saw one another on Preston's recent trip to Moscow.

"A lot of it, I think, he sees as comical," Preston said of Torshin's reaction. "It's absurd."

If some NRA officials were surprised to encounter Butina and Torshin awaiting Trump Jr. at that private event in 2016, one prominent NRA official was not: David Keene.

Keene, now an NRA board member, said there was a small birthday dinner for him that evening, which Torshin and Butina attended. It happened to take place at the same restaurant as the NRA gathering, he said, and someone brought Trump Jr. by to say hello.

Keene played a central role in fostering the relationship between Torshin and the NRA.

In 2015, Keene brought a delegation of NRA backers to Moscow for a flurry of events with Torshin and Butina, who had founded her own version of the NRA -- Right to Bear Arms -- in Moscow.

The group went sightseeing, toured a Russian gun manufacturer and met with Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin -- one of the first Russians the Obama administration slapped with sanctions after Russia annexed Crimea. One of the members of the tour group, former Milwaukee Sheriff David Clarke, rose to become a prominent Trump surrogate during the campaign. In an ethics filing, he disclosed that the Russian Right to Bear Arms group shelled out $6,000 for his meals, lodging and excursions on the trip.

Butina shared a photo of the group of Facebook, which described the excursion as an official visit from an NRA delegation.
That's exactly what the NRA's leadership was hoping to avoid.

Ahead of the trip, top NRA officials had expressed concern that the Moscow visit could invite political backlash, according to sources familiar with their thinking. They pulled the NRA president at the time from the trip, which he was slated to attend, and encouraged Keene to treat it as an independent excursion.

Keene declined to comment on the Moscow trip.

In a recent letter to Sen. Ron Wyden, an Oregon Democrat who is examining the NRA's finances, the NRA once again downplayed its association with the 2015 Moscow junket. It insisted one of the attendees -- a top NRA donor -- traveled to Russia "in his personal capacity," rather than as a representative of the organization. The GOP-controlled committees have shown little interest in investigating the NRA, but some Democrats are clamoring for additional information.

Republicans on the House Intelligence Committee "refused to investigate whether Russian-linked intermediaries used the NRA to illegally funnel money to the Trump Campaign, to open lines of communication with or approaches to Trump or his associates, and how those approaches may have informed," Russian interference in the 2016 election, Democrats on the committee wrote in their rebuttal to their GOP colleagues' assessment that there was no collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.

Meanwhile, Russia experts said the Russian gun-rights group appears to mainly be a facade to build ties with the NRA. It has little influence in Russia, which has strict gun laws and little public support for loosening them.

"It doesn't exist really in Russia," Anders Aslund, a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council and an expert on economic policy in countries including Russia, said of the group. "This is the old Soviet fashion of operating through front organizations. The purpose is to infiltrate the NRA and, probably, also transfer money."

By 2016, both Torshin and Butina had become fixtures at the NRA's high-dollar donor events, according to attendees.

The pair has popped up at the Golden Ring of Freedom Dinner, an exclusive event for donors who have given $1 million or more, and hospitality suites for lifetime members. Butina has also attended the women's luncheon hosted by the wife of Wayne LaPierre, the NRA's executive vice president. Tickets start at $250 a head, according to sources familiar with the event.

Sometimes the Russians attended as guests of other members or alongside corporate sponsors.

As for Keene, he said he was not aware of any donations to the NRA from either Torshin or Butina. He said he has not been contacted by the FBI.

The NRA has said that Torshin paid membership dues but said he has not made any additional contributions.

The NRA has also acknowledged that it accepts donations from foreign donors and entities, which it is legally allowed to do. The group would only run afoul of US law if it used foreign donations for certain election-related purposes. In the letter to Wyden, the NRA said it found "no foreign donations in connection with a United States election, either directly or through a conduit."

The NRA's general counsel also said no Russian nationals have ever been members of the Golden Ring of Freedom program for million-dollar donors, according to the letter to Wyden.

Wyden appeared unconvinced, peppering the group with an additional round of questions.

In its latest response, the NRA said it no longer plans to cooperate with Wyden's inquiries.
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CS natureboy · Apr 29, 2018

The NRA Just Broke a 15 Year Fundraising Record, and No One Should Be Surprised
Posted at 3:30 pm on April 24, 2018 by Brandon Morse

The NRA is an organization that thrives on controversy. The more it or its charge, the 2nd Amendment, are attacked the stronger it gets. It shares this ability with organizations like Chick-fil-A who only grow in influence and cash with every assault.

After the Parkland shooting occurred, the attack on the 2nd Amendment, gun owners, and the NRA began before the bodies had time to cool. This is par for the media course, as the left never lets a crisis go to waste, and pounced on their opportunity to push gun control. This time they did so with gusto, and instead of activists, they used children as a delivery system for their message.

It’s a tactic that sent the gun control argument to new heights, and the relentless assault on the gun-owning public was a sight to behold. There were school walkouts, marches, speeches, commercials, articles, interviews, and Ellen appearances. It was a gun control circus that P.T. Barnum would have thought was a bit much.

But the public definitely did think it was too much, and they ran straight to Fort 2A, also known as the National Rifle Association. Afraid they were going to lose their rights in some form or fashion, the NRA’s numbers grew by leaps and bounds, and so did their donations according to the Miami Herald.

In fact, they grew so much that it broke a 15-year record:

The National Rifle Association’s Political Victory Fund raised $2.4 million from March 1 to March 31, the group’s first full month of political fundraising since the nation’s deadliest high school shooting on Valentine’s Day, according to filings submitted to the Federal Elections Commission. The total is $1.5 million more than the organization raised during the same time period in 2017, when it took in $884,000 in donations, and $1.6 million more than it raised in February 2018.

The $2.4 million haul is the most money raised by the NRA’s political arm in one month since June 2003, the last month when electronic federal records were readily available. It surpasses the $1.1 million and $1.5 million raised in January and February 2013, the two months after the Sandy Hook school shooting in Newtown, Connecticut.

According to the Miami Herald, $1.9 million of the $2.4 million total came from small donors who gave less than $200.

This indicates that the push to keep our 2nd Amendment rights nice and unalienable comes from the general public. No one should be surprised by this, however. Despite the ferocity of the protests and campaigns against guns, our gun rights are still here.

The NRA’s Saiyan-like ability to become stronger the more it’s attacked isn’t a testament to the NRA’s political savvy, but to the American people’s clear decision that our guns won’t be going anywhere. The next time the gun grabbers decide to pounce, remember that the NRA’s explosive growth is a clear sign that we’re a gun culture, and we’re going to stay that way.

tenguy · Apr 29, 2018

This thread should be renamed "C&P Headquarters".

stumbler · Apr 30, 2018

Oregon voters may ban assault rifles in November — possession of a 12 round magazine would be a felony

Will Oregon become the first state to ban assault rifles?

Oregon Attorney General Ellen Rosenblum has drawn-up the paperwork to do exactly that, submitting the text for a ballot initiative to ban “Assault weapons include certain semiautomatic rifles or pistols with a detachable magazine; pistol or rifles with a fixed magazine holding more than 10 rounds of ammunition; certain semiautomatic shotguns. Large capacity magazine is ammunition feeding device with capacity of more than 10 rounds.”

The ban would stop the possession or sale of semiautomatic rifles, pistols and shotguns. The law is aggressive, targeting any magazine that holds more than 10 rounds of ammunition.

Gun-owners would have 120 days to move their guns to another state, sell them to someone outside the state or hand them over to law enforcement. If they violate the law and keep their assault rifle they could face a Class B felony.

The text of the law drawn up Rosenblum will now be given to petitioners who will collect signatures. If they can get more than 88,000 signatures by July 6, the ballot initiative will be on the November ballot, reports The Oregonian.

The organizers of the ballot initiative, which had to collect 1,000 signatures to get the Attorney General to draw up the proposed law, will now start collecting signatura. They are looking for volunteers online.

Oregon conducts all elections by mail and routinely places among the nation’s highest voter turnout.
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shadow walker · Apr 30, 2018

CS natureboy said: ↑

The NRA Just Broke a 15 Year Fundraising Record, and No One Should Be Surprised
Posted at 3:30 pm on April 24, 2018 by Brandon Morse

The NRA is an organization that thrives on controversy. The more it or its charge, the 2nd Amendment, are attacked the stronger it gets. It shares this ability with organizations like Chick-fil-A who only grow in influence and cash with every assault.

After the Parkland shooting occurred, the attack on the 2nd Amendment, gun owners, and the NRA began before the bodies had time to cool. This is par for the media course, as the left never lets a crisis go to waste, and pounced on their opportunity to push gun control. This time they did so with gusto, and instead of activists, they used children as a delivery system for their message.

It’s a tactic that sent the gun control argument to new heights, and the relentless assault on the gun-owning public was a sight to behold. There were school walkouts, marches, speeches, commercials, articles, interviews, and Ellen appearances. It was a gun control circus that P.T. Barnum would have thought was a bit much.

But the public definitely did think it was too much, and they ran straight to Fort 2A, also known as the National Rifle Association. Afraid they were going to lose their rights in some form or fashion, the NRA’s numbers grew by leaps and bounds, and so did their donations according to the Miami Herald.

In fact, they grew so much that it broke a 15-year record:

The National Rifle Association’s Political Victory Fund raised $2.4 million from March 1 to March 31, the group’s first full month of political fundraising since the nation’s deadliest high school shooting on Valentine’s Day, according to filings submitted to the Federal Elections Commission. The total is $1.5 million more than the organization raised during the same time period in 2017, when it took in $884,000 in donations, and $1.6 million more than it raised in February 2018.

The $2.4 million haul is the most money raised by the NRA’s political arm in one month since June 2003, the last month when electronic federal records were readily available. It surpasses the $1.1 million and $1.5 million raised in January and February 2013, the two months after the Sandy Hook school shooting in Newtown, Connecticut.

According to the Miami Herald, $1.9 million of the $2.4 million total came from small donors who gave less than $200.

This indicates that the push to keep our 2nd Amendment rights nice and unalienable comes from the general public. No one should be surprised by this, however. Despite the ferocity of the protests and campaigns against guns, our gun rights are still here.

The NRA’s Saiyan-like ability to become stronger the more it’s attacked isn’t a testament to the NRA’s political savvy, but to the American people’s clear decision that our guns won’t be going anywhere. The next time the gun grabbers decide to pounce, remember that the NRA’s explosive growth is a clear sign that we’re a gun culture, and we’re going to stay that way.
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I am no fan of the NRA, I love my weapons arsenal and I believe every American should own the type of weaponry I do and do so affordably.

These weapons fall under the strict regulations of the 1934 National Firearms Act, the 1968 Gun Control Act which added to the 1934 NFA, and for the average American the 1986 Hughes Amendment which banned the transfer of machine guns made and registered after May 19th 1986.

These three regulations are the biggest infringements on the 2nd Amendment in history and all three were passed by Republicans with the help of the NRA and founded the ATF.

In 1983 a real M16 rifle(not the AR15) cost $800 and a $200 tax stamp. Today a pre-1986 M16 costs on average $22,000 and a $200 tax stamp. If you can buy a gun you can buy those if you have the money.

I want these laws repealed. The NRA will never help with that because they would go out of business.

stumbler · May 2, 2018

Gunmaker Savage Arms to be sold-off after betting on AR-style tactical weapons

Legendary gunmaker Savage Arms is being sold off by its parent-company after making a shift to AR-style rifles just prior to the Parkland school shooting massacre and ensuing backlash against the National Rifle Association, The New York Times reported Tuesday.

Savage, which was founded in 1894, was until recently best-known for selling bolt action and lever (cowboy) action rifles. In recent years, Savage bet big on the AR-15 market of so-called “modern sporting rifles.”

Vista Outdoor, the gunmaker’s parent company, will now be selling off Savage and Stevens Arms, a sister company. This announcement in an earnings call comes shortly after the March bankruptcy filing by Remington.

“The bottom line is this: The company grew too fast and beyond its core, the portfolio became too diverse, and the pressures mounted,” said Chris Metz, Vista’s chief executive. “We were too slow to make adjustments, and the ones we did make didn’t have enough of an impact to right the ship.”

Following the Florida massacre, REI suspended orders of Vista Outdoor’s bike helmets and water bottles over the company’s production of AR-style rifles.
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CS natureboy · May 2, 2018

Students walk out of classrooms to show support for Second Amendment

Jessica Schladebeck
May 2nd 2018 10:55AM

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Students at schools across the country planned to walk out of their classrooms Wednesday morning and remain outside for 16 minutes to show their support for the Second Amendment.

More than 300 schools in 40 different states registered for “Stand for the Second” — a nationwide walkout organized by New Mexico 18-year-old Will Riley.

The event comes just more than a month after students staged a mass walkout to protest gun violence in wake of the Valentine’s Day school shooting in Parkland, Fla.

Protesters nationwide left their classrooms and remained outside for 17 minutes to honor the 17 people gunned down in the halls of Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School exactly one month after the deadly attack.

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Students who walked out of their Montgomery County, Maryland, schools protest against gun violence in front of the White House in Washington, U.S., February 21, 2018. REUTERS/Kevin Lamarque TPX IMAGES OF THE DAY

Protestors rally outside the Capitol urging Florida lawmakers to reform gun laws, in the wake of last week's mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, in Tallahassee, Florida, U.S., February 21, 2018. REUTERS/Colin Hackley TPX IMAGES OF THE DAY

Students from South Plantation High School carrying placards and shouting slogans walk on the street during a protest in support of the gun control, following a mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, in Plantation, Florida, February 21, 2018. REUTERS/Carlos Garcia Rawlins

MARJORY STONEMAN DOUGLAS HIGH SCHOOL, PARKLAND, FLORIDA. 02/25/2018 In the background, the school building, now slated to be demolished, where 17 children and teachers were killed by lone gunman Nikolas Cruz. On February 14, 2018, a former school Stoneman Douglas student Nikolas Cruz entered the school at 2.30pm and proceeded to kill 3 teachers and 14 school children in a 7 minute shooting spree. Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School is located in Parkland, Florida, in the Miami metropolitan area. It is a part of the Broward County Public School district, and it is the only public high school in Parkland. (Photo by Giles Clarke/Getty Images)

Students from South Plantation High School carrying placards and shouting slogans walk on the street during a protest in support of the gun control, following a mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, in Plantation, Florida, February 21, 2018. REUTERS/Carlos Garcia Rawlins

Melissa Conrad-Freed, former student at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, and Mark Forst, mourn close to the fence of Western High School during a protest in support of the gun control, in Davie, Florida, February 21, 2018. REUTERS/Carlos Garcia Rawlins

After walking out of class with hundreds of her fellow students at Walt Whitman High School in Montgomery County, Maryland, Gwen Parks holds up her hands during a protest against gun violence in front of the White House in Washington, U.S., February 21, 2018. REUTERS/Kevin Lamarque

Students from South Plantation High School carrying placards and shouting slogans walk on the street during a protest in support of the gun control, following a mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, in Plantation, Florida, February 21, 2018. REUTERS/Carlos Garcia Rawlins

Students from South Plantation High School carrying placards and shouting slogans walk on the street during a protest in support of the gun control, following a mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, in Plantation, Florida, February 21, 2018. REUTERS/Carlos Garcia Rawlins

A protester holds a sign at a Call To Action Against Gun Violence rally by the Interfaith Justice League and others in Delray Beach, Florida, U.S. February 19, 2018. REUTERS/Joe Skipper TPX IMAGES OF THE DAY

Students who walked out of their classes at Montgomery County, Maryland schools, protest against gun violence in front of the White House in Washington, U.S., February 21, 2018. REUTERS/Kevin Lamarque

Students who walked out of their Montgomery County, Maryland, schools protest against gun violence in front of the White House in Washington, U.S., February 21, 2018. REUTERS/Kevin Lamarque

Baltimore students outside City Hall stage a #gunsdowngradesup school walkout on Tuesday, March 6, 2018 to protest gun violence in schools and the city. (Lloyd Fox/Baltimore Sun/TNS via Getty Images)

Students from South Plantation High School carrying placards and shouting slogans walk on the street during a protest in support of the gun control, following a mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, in Plantation, Florida, February 21, 2018. REUTERS/Carlos Garcia Rawlins

SOMERVILLE, MA - FEBRUARY 28: Senior Gabriel Kafka-Gibbons, left, and junior Seweryn Brzezinski, center, sit on the sidewalk during a student walkout at Somerville High School in Somerville, MA on Feb. 28, 2018. Some 200 Somerville High School students walked out at 8:17 a.m. to demand an end to gun-related violence in the wake of the attack in a Florida high school that left 17 people dead. The students exited the school as scheduled, at a time that reflects the number of staffers and students murdered Feb. 14 at a Parkland, FL, school, and then gathered outside as part of a 17-minute long silent protest. (Photo by Craig F. Walker/The Boston Globe via Getty Images)

WASHINGTON, Feb. 21, 2018 -- Students from Washington local high schools demonstrate for stricter gun control outside the White House in Washington D.C., the United States, on Feb. 21, 2018. U.S. President Donald Trump said Tuesday that he has recommended that 'bump stocks', devices that enable semi-automatic weapons to fire hundreds of rounds per minute, be banned, while debates on gun rights continue across the country. (Xinhua/Ting Shen via Getty Images)

MARJORY STONEMAN DOUGLAS HIGH SCHOOL, PARKLAND, FLORIDA. 02/25/2018 A young school child holds a sign 'Protect Children NOT Guns' at Stoneman Douglas High School. On February 14, 2018, a former school Stoneman Douglas student Nikolas Cruz entered the school at 2.30pm and proceeded to kill 3 teachers and 14 school children in a 7 minute shooting spree. Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School is located in Parkland, Florida, in the Miami metropolitan area. It is a part of the Broward County Public School district, and it is the only public high school in Parkland. Photo by Giles Clarke/Getty Images

Rabbi Jack Romberg speaks at a rally during which several thousand protestors urge Florida lawmakers to reform gun laws outside the Capitol, in the wake of last week's mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, in Tallahassee, Florida, U.S., February 21, 2018. REUTERS/Colin Hackley

Protestors rally outside the Capitol urging Florida lawmakers to reform gun laws, in the wake of last week's mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, in Tallahassee, Florida, U.S., February 21, 2018. REUTERS/Colin Hackley

Protestors rally outside the Capitol urging Florida lawmakers to reform gun laws, in the wake of last week's mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, in Tallahassee, Florida, U.S., February 21, 2018. REUTERS/Colin Hackley

Protestors rally outside the Capitol urging Florida lawmakers to reform gun laws, in the wake of last week's mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, in Tallahassee, Florida, U.S., February 21, 2018. REUTERS/Colin Hackley

Thousands of students participated in the March 14 walkout for gun safety, but Riley said it does not reflect the views of everyone his age.

“These Parkland high school students do not speak for my generation,” Riley wrote in a column published in the Carlsbad Current Argus.

“I am not a hunter. I am not a shooter. But this issue is not only about guns. This is a battle for the very heart and soul of our country. My goal is simple. I want to spread awareness that not all of my generation shares in this shortsighted crusade to strike a grievous blow for our nation. ”

The Carlsbad High School senior explained that he organized his “Stand for the Second” event to directly counter previous gun violence demonstrations.

“Disruption of education has never, and will never be our goal,” according to the event’s website.

“We do however recognize that when anti-gun students organized their walkout, they were allowed and often encouraged by their schools. In light of this fact, we ask we receive the same platform to express our views.”

The meaning behind the 16 minutes he’s allotted for the walkout is also a direct nod to the anti-gun violence walkout in March: “In the spirit of civility with school districts around the country, we are asking for one minute less than the other side received,” according to the website.

The time was also set to recognize the number of Americans saved annually by firearms.

“Every year an estimated 1.5 million Americans use a firearm to defend themselves,” Riley said. “During a 16 minute walkout, that breaks down to 91 American lives saved during the walkout. We want Americans to know that firearms are overwhelmingly used for good in our country.”

anon_de_plume · May 2, 2018

CS natureboy said: ↑

“Every year an estimated 1.5 million Americans use a firearm to defend themselves,” Riley said. “During a 16 minute walkout, that breaks down to 91 American lives saved during the walkout. We want Americans to know that firearms are overwhelmingly used for good in our country.”
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Wonder if anyone actually can show the evidence of this, rather than just spewing numbers?

stumbler · May 3, 2018

CS natureboy said: ↑

Students walk out of classrooms to show support for Second Amendment

Jessica Schladebeck
May 2nd 2018 10:55AM

X
Students at schools across the country planned to walk out of their classrooms Wednesday morning and remain outside for 16 minutes to show their support for the Second Amendment.

More than 300 schools in 40 different states registered for “Stand for the Second” — a nationwide walkout organized by New Mexico 18-year-old Will Riley.

The event comes just more than a month after students staged a mass walkout to protest gun violence in wake of the Valentine’s Day school shooting in Parkland, Fla.

Protesters nationwide left their classrooms and remained outside for 17 minutes to honor the 17 people gunned down in the halls of Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School exactly one month after the deadly attack.

RELATED: A look at protests against gun violence

21 PHOTOS
Protests against gun violence following Florida school shooting
See Gallery

Protests against gun violence following Florida school shooting

Students who walked out of their Montgomery County, Maryland, schools protest against gun violence in front of the White House in Washington, U.S., February 21, 2018. REUTERS/Kevin Lamarque TPX IMAGES OF THE DAY

Protestors rally outside the Capitol urging Florida lawmakers to reform gun laws, in the wake of last week's mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, in Tallahassee, Florida, U.S., February 21, 2018. REUTERS/Colin Hackley TPX IMAGES OF THE DAY

Students from South Plantation High School carrying placards and shouting slogans walk on the street during a protest in support of the gun control, following a mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, in Plantation, Florida, February 21, 2018. REUTERS/Carlos Garcia Rawlins

MARJORY STONEMAN DOUGLAS HIGH SCHOOL, PARKLAND, FLORIDA. 02/25/2018 In the background, the school building, now slated to be demolished, where 17 children and teachers were killed by lone gunman Nikolas Cruz. On February 14, 2018, a former school Stoneman Douglas student Nikolas Cruz entered the school at 2.30pm and proceeded to kill 3 teachers and 14 school children in a 7 minute shooting spree. Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School is located in Parkland, Florida, in the Miami metropolitan area. It is a part of the Broward County Public School district, and it is the only public high school in Parkland. (Photo by Giles Clarke/Getty Images)

Students from South Plantation High School carrying placards and shouting slogans walk on the street during a protest in support of the gun control, following a mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, in Plantation, Florida, February 21, 2018. REUTERS/Carlos Garcia Rawlins

Melissa Conrad-Freed, former student at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, and Mark Forst, mourn close to the fence of Western High School during a protest in support of the gun control, in Davie, Florida, February 21, 2018. REUTERS/Carlos Garcia Rawlins

After walking out of class with hundreds of her fellow students at Walt Whitman High School in Montgomery County, Maryland, Gwen Parks holds up her hands during a protest against gun violence in front of the White House in Washington, U.S., February 21, 2018. REUTERS/Kevin Lamarque

Students from South Plantation High School carrying placards and shouting slogans walk on the street during a protest in support of the gun control, following a mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, in Plantation, Florida, February 21, 2018. REUTERS/Carlos Garcia Rawlins

Students from South Plantation High School carrying placards and shouting slogans walk on the street during a protest in support of the gun control, following a mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, in Plantation, Florida, February 21, 2018. REUTERS/Carlos Garcia Rawlins

A protester holds a sign at a Call To Action Against Gun Violence rally by the Interfaith Justice League and others in Delray Beach, Florida, U.S. February 19, 2018. REUTERS/Joe Skipper TPX IMAGES OF THE DAY

Students who walked out of their classes at Montgomery County, Maryland schools, protest against gun violence in front of the White House in Washington, U.S., February 21, 2018. REUTERS/Kevin Lamarque

Students who walked out of their Montgomery County, Maryland, schools protest against gun violence in front of the White House in Washington, U.S., February 21, 2018. REUTERS/Kevin Lamarque

Baltimore students outside City Hall stage a #gunsdowngradesup school walkout on Tuesday, March 6, 2018 to protest gun violence in schools and the city. (Lloyd Fox/Baltimore Sun/TNS via Getty Images)

Students from South Plantation High School carrying placards and shouting slogans walk on the street during a protest in support of the gun control, following a mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, in Plantation, Florida, February 21, 2018. REUTERS/Carlos Garcia Rawlins

SOMERVILLE, MA - FEBRUARY 28: Senior Gabriel Kafka-Gibbons, left, and junior Seweryn Brzezinski, center, sit on the sidewalk during a student walkout at Somerville High School in Somerville, MA on Feb. 28, 2018. Some 200 Somerville High School students walked out at 8:17 a.m. to demand an end to gun-related violence in the wake of the attack in a Florida high school that left 17 people dead. The students exited the school as scheduled, at a time that reflects the number of staffers and students murdered Feb. 14 at a Parkland, FL, school, and then gathered outside as part of a 17-minute long silent protest. (Photo by Craig F. Walker/The Boston Globe via Getty Images)

WASHINGTON, Feb. 21, 2018 -- Students from Washington local high schools demonstrate for stricter gun control outside the White House in Washington D.C., the United States, on Feb. 21, 2018. U.S. President Donald Trump said Tuesday that he has recommended that 'bump stocks', devices that enable semi-automatic weapons to fire hundreds of rounds per minute, be banned, while debates on gun rights continue across the country. (Xinhua/Ting Shen via Getty Images)

MARJORY STONEMAN DOUGLAS HIGH SCHOOL, PARKLAND, FLORIDA. 02/25/2018 A young school child holds a sign 'Protect Children NOT Guns' at Stoneman Douglas High School. On February 14, 2018, a former school Stoneman Douglas student Nikolas Cruz entered the school at 2.30pm and proceeded to kill 3 teachers and 14 school children in a 7 minute shooting spree. Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School is located in Parkland, Florida, in the Miami metropolitan area. It is a part of the Broward County Public School district, and it is the only public high school in Parkland. Photo by Giles Clarke/Getty Images

Rabbi Jack Romberg speaks at a rally during which several thousand protestors urge Florida lawmakers to reform gun laws outside the Capitol, in the wake of last week's mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, in Tallahassee, Florida, U.S., February 21, 2018. REUTERS/Colin Hackley

Protestors rally outside the Capitol urging Florida lawmakers to reform gun laws, in the wake of last week's mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, in Tallahassee, Florida, U.S., February 21, 2018. REUTERS/Colin Hackley

Protestors rally outside the Capitol urging Florida lawmakers to reform gun laws, in the wake of last week's mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, in Tallahassee, Florida, U.S., February 21, 2018. REUTERS/Colin Hackley

Protestors rally outside the Capitol urging Florida lawmakers to reform gun laws, in the wake of last week's mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, in Tallahassee, Florida, U.S., February 21, 2018. REUTERS/Colin Hackley

Thousands of students participated in the March 14 walkout for gun safety, but Riley said it does not reflect the views of everyone his age.

“These Parkland high school students do not speak for my generation,” Riley wrote in a column published in the Carlsbad Current Argus.

“I am not a hunter. I am not a shooter. But this issue is not only about guns. This is a battle for the very heart and soul of our country. My goal is simple. I want to spread awareness that not all of my generation shares in this shortsighted crusade to strike a grievous blow for our nation. ”

The Carlsbad High School senior explained that he organized his “Stand for the Second” event to directly counter previous gun violence demonstrations.

“Disruption of education has never, and will never be our goal,” according to the event’s website.

“We do however recognize that when anti-gun students organized their walkout, they were allowed and often encouraged by their schools. In light of this fact, we ask we receive the same platform to express our views.”

The meaning behind the 16 minutes he’s allotted for the walkout is also a direct nod to the anti-gun violence walkout in March: “In the spirit of civility with school districts around the country, we are asking for one minute less than the other side received,” according to the website.

The time was also set to recognize the number of Americans saved annually by firearms.

“Every year an estimated 1.5 million Americans use a firearm to defend themselves,” Riley said. “During a 16 minute walkout, that breaks down to 91 American lives saved during the walkout. We want Americans to know that firearms are overwhelmingly used for good in our country.”
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OH FUCKING ROFLCOPTERS

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@stumbler

Ohhh, people why don't you come in here and let me talk to you a while.
That's right, step right up and listen to a concerned citizen speak his piece.
I'll tell you a little something that my daddy told to me.
My basic fundamentals if you want to be free.
'Cause son, there's somthing wrong internally.
So, if you want your freedom son.
Don't want your country to be overrun.
You got to keep America number one.

(CHORUS)
My daddy told me "Son, don't let 'em take your gun.
That's what they tryin' to do.
Son, don't let 'em take your gun.
They're takin' your Bill of Rights away from you."
My daddy said "Son, don't let 'em take your gun.
That's what they tryin' to do.
Son, don't let 'em take your gun.
Don't let 'em take your gun away from you."

Ohhh, this year is our anniversary.
Two hundred years, people we've been free.
Won't be nobody takin' over our land.
If everybody's brother's got a gun in his hand.
I'm tellin' you we learned to fight for justice.
We're willing to die for freedom.
Hand in hand.
You got to understand.
We are American men.

Said they want your gun.
Said they want your gun.
Send 'em on the run.
Send 'em on the run.
Hip-hurray for fun.
Hip-hurray for fun.
If they do we're done.
If they do we're done.

stumbler · May 3, 2018

kydave said: ↑

Shooting just happened at opry mills mall in Nashville Tenn. This shit is getting totally out if hand.
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Have you heard anything more about this? I have seen the stories but they are few on any real details.

Richard Hughes · May 4, 2018

I support the 2nd Amendment rights what I don't understand is the mental stability of these kids in school shootings. Are they that weak instead of standing up and fighting with her fist and maybe becoming friends afterwards?
The Second Amendment also gives me the right to defend family property and my country against foreign and domestic enemies including the government if need be

shadow walker · May 4, 2018

Richard Hughes said: ↑

I support the 2nd Amendment rights what I don't understand is the mental stability of these kids in school shootings. Are they that weak instead of standing up and fighting with her fist and maybe becoming friends afterwards?
The Second Amendment also gives me the right to defend family property and my country against foreign and domestic enemies including the government if need be
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Simple, most kids these days think the world is about them because their parents coddled them too much, so when they get angry or hurt they think it's okay to shoot or stab the kids that picked on them. Then there are some that have nothing wrong they're just little evil bastards that want to be on the news.

I got picked on in school usually 10 on 1, never 1 on 1 or even 2 on 1. My dad had a loaded real M16 that went safe, semi, and full auto always in reach and a entire house full of guns, never once did I ever think about using it to hurt people.

Richard Hughes · May 4, 2018

shadow walker said: ↑

Simple, most kids these days think the world is about them because their parents coddled them too much, so when they get angry or hurt they think it's okay to shoot or stab the kids that picked on them. Then there are some that have nothing wrong they're just little evil bastards that want to be on the news.

I got picked on in school usually 10 on 1, never 1 on 1 or even 2 on 1. My dad had a loaded real M16 that went safe, semi, and full auto always in reach and a entire house full of guns, never once did I ever think about using it to hurt people.
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Both Parties in this fight had family and friends so that kept it everything even with one on one. As far as a full automatic there's only two ways that I know one might have one. now the only reason I might need a full automatic is to defend against a group of people on a shooting rampage or trying to take out our government

CS natureboy · May 5, 2018

Oklahoma Senate passes 'Constitutional Carry' gun bill, sends to governor
By Madeline Farber | Fox News

Rep. Shane Stone, D-Oklahoma, previously said he expects Gov. Mary Fallin to sign the bill into law. (Reuters)

The Oklahoma Senate on Wednesday night passed the so-called “Constitutional Carry” gun bill in a 33-9 vote. The bill, which passed the state’s House of Representatives about a week ago, will now be presented to Republican Gov. Mary Fallin for a signature.

It’s not yet clear if Gov. Fallin plans to sign the bill, though Rep. Shane Stone, D-Okla., who voted against the bill when it went through the House, previously told Fox News he doesn't expect Fallin to veto it.

Gov. Fallin declined to say whether or not she plans to sign the bill, a spokesperson told Fox News, adding that Fallin does not typically comment on pending legislation “until after the final version reaches the governor's office, and she and her staff have a chance to review it.”

If signed into law, the legislation would allow handgun owners in the state to carry without first obtaining a license.

Supporters of the bill argue it protects a gun owner’s right to self defense, adding that it would eliminate the costly permit process.

Opponents, however, claim the legislation would present safety issues for law enforcement and other citizens. They also argue that given recent mass shootings, such as the one in Parkland, Florida in February, legislators should be wary of passing laws that expand gun rights.

"Can you explain to me why I should have to go pay for a license or an identification card in order to carry out my even more fundamental right to vote, but I shouldn't have to carry a weapon?" Rep. Stone said last week as the bill was debated in the House, adding during an interview with Fox News that the potential law is “inconsistent with the constitution.”

If passed, firearms would remain prohibited in schools and government buildings, among other places where weapons are not allowed, Republican Sen. Nathan Dahm, who authored the bill, said.

“This is something that we’ve been fighting [in favor of] for years,” Dahm told Fox News on Thursday, adding that expanding gun rights is an issue he has personally advocated for since he became a state senator six years ago.

He noted that the bill is a “huge success,” as a similar piece of legislation failed two years ago.

Dahm reminded opponents of the bill that “there is not another right that requires people to get training and licensing in order to exercise that right,” adding that the second amendment is “infringed upon the most.”

Dahm said Fallin has vetoed certain gun legislation in the past, but he hopes she will sign this measure into law.

Oklahoma could possibly join some 11 states that have already passed similar laws, according to the National Rifle Association (NRA).

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