Those kids are being treated far better in most cases.

US foster kids, not so much. Shooter was on a citizen review board for foster kids. Often the question came down to whether the foster care was worse than the family care.

 

Actually it’s not false equivalence, communes lose their kids in round ups frequently.

 

Actually it’s not false equivalence, communes lose their kids in round ups frequently.

 

That's one opinion. But tell me... How does Trump plan on reuniting the kids that have already been separated? Some of those kids can't even talk and some just barely. If these kids are being shipped all over the country, just how do you think they will find their parents or vice versa?

Also, it sounds like you wouldn't mind sending your kids to Trump Summer Camp. Enjoy you time without your kids.

 

And you clearly are more upset at people who don't belong here and their rights than the rights of citizens

 

And you have zero empathy... But then again, who are these Americans you want me to feel sorry for? Not sure why you would say such a stupid thing...

 

At any given time there are approximately 450,000 children in the child Protection System in the United States. On average, they are in the system for 18 months, and will be moved about every 6 months.

Children in state care are supposedly monitored and have an advocate (a state employee) charged with making sure that their rights and welfare are protected. States have "oversight" groups who are charged with reviewing each case on a regular basis to insure the child's and family rights and welfare are protected. Shooter served on one such child protection oversight group. Shooter, as regular readers might recall, is/was a foster parent and adopted his 2 kids through a state agency.

Shooter knows of what he speaks.

Children in foster care are placed based on space available. Siblings are often separated because there are no foster facilities willing or able to take on 2 or more children at once. Special needs kids in foster care are especially hard to place because of their special needs. Welfare workers often place kids wherever they can find a bed without consideration of the appropriateness or fitness of a particular foster family; there is a dire shortage of foster families nationwide.

Although foster families are vetted (in Shooter's case the vetting took almost 6 months) shit happens. Nationwide, 80% of kids in foster care are mistreated. 60% are sexually abused. They are twice as likely to suffer violent death. Older foster kids, starting at about 13 will often simply run away, and foster families are notoriously unhelpful in determining why, and where the kid may have gone. Less than half who run away are ever returned to the foster system or their families. They simply disappear.

About 20% of kids placed in state care never return to their families or are adopted. At legal age (18 or 21 depending on the state) these kids are discharged to fend for themselves. Most will become teen parents, be chronically unemployed, and spend their lives in poverty; neither states or foster families are interested in preparing these lost youth for adult life. Virtually none will attend college, only half will graduate high school.

https://www.childwelfare.gov/topics/systemwide/statistics/can/stat-outofhome/

When Shooter was on the citizens oversight committee one of the cases reviewed involved a 15 year old girl, removed from the home because the parents were jailed for drug related charges. The girl was placed in one of the more "responsible" foster families initially, and the reports showed she was doing well with that family. When the foster family moved out of state, the girl was placed with another foster family and shortly after "ran away". The foster family did not report that she was missing for 4 days, and failed to mention that an 18 year old friend of a neighbor had been particularly attentive to the girl. 3 months later the girl turned up in a neighboring state when a prostitution ring was busted. The neighbor kid's friend got the girl started on Meth then abandoned her 120 miles away when she said she was going to ask for help. She was picked up by an abuser, sold into the sex industry, and luckily, found in a relatively short time. The last time our group reviewed the case, the girl had a miscarriage, had dropped out of school, and was still fighting her drug addiction. She was in a state group home that handled drug addicted teens, and it was certain she had become pregnant while at the group home.

These are the kids we need to concern ourselves with, not the uninvited, unwanted kids brought here by ILLEGAL immigrants. You see, kids in foster care in the US are virtually all US Citizens.

 

238 arrested in “Operation Heartbreak” sting on child predators in California, 1,400 accused perverts busted nationwide
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...ornia-sting-child-predators-article-1.2682918

Disney World employee arrested in child porn sting
https://www.sheboyganpress.com/stor...employees-arrested-child-porn-bust/676131002/

More Than 2,300 Suspected Online Child Sex Offenders Arrested During Operation “Broken Heart”
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/more...enders-arrested-during-operation-broken-heart

Many of the victims in these cases are foster kids put in state care or kids who have run away from home to avoid abuse. They are not ILLEGAL immigrant's kids, "ripped from the arms of their mothers and thrown into cages".

They are US Citizens, most of them, who have no effective advocate for them and who are the first and most horrific victims of predators right here in the United States.

Arrests from Operation Broken Heart were announced on June 12, 2018. 2,300 suspected sex offenders were arrested, and 383 child victims were identified.

This news was overshadowed by the froth and spew created when President Trump announced his zero tolerance program and children of ILLEGAL immigrants were placed in Federal care. While the media, pundits, and politicians moaned over the scenes of crying children being "ripped from their mothers' bosom, and thrown into cages" 2,300 pedophiles were arrested and 383 American Citizens were rescued.

The predicament faced by ILLEGAL immigrant families overshadowed the salvation of almost 400 US Citizens who were vicitms of child sex abuse.

Cause ................... Trump

Shooter hates that any child ever suffers being removed from their parents, for any reason. But, given the option, he will express his anguish first of US Citizens and second for the children of ILLEGAL immigrants who have come here uninvited.

 

More false equivelance...

 

false equivelance=does not fit liberal agenda

 

Except that your example does not match what you are comparing it to. Those American kids are put into an adoption/fostercare type of program, they are not going into cages.

And besides, who are we to destroy the lives of these asylum seekers. We helped to cause the unrest in their home countries...

But what do you care my alien friend, these are not your kids, so you spew your worthless defense of an inhumane act. Good on you!

 

First of all, you know nothing about the foster care system, so choose your words carefully, lest you say something stupid.

Second, shooter was given to understand that these families are fleeing violence and death. How are we "ruining their lives" by feeding them, giving them medical care and housing them, even if it is "in a cage"?

As for the rest of your spew, just typical arrogant liberal attack froth.

By the way, now that you've been educated on the US foster care situation, what would you suggest be done about it?

 

That's possible, but very unlikely. This procedure is usually applied to a minister who is preaching a heretical theology. That's a very broad category. The intention is to bring the person back into the fold, by love and reason. In the extreme, a person may lose their status as an ordained minister. Most resigned before it comes to that.
In this case, the ministers who have brought the charges claim Sessions is misrepresenting Scripture and using it for a hypocritical end. If Sessions cares, he can make a defense. Or, he can ignore it. In any case, he is still welcome to sit in any pew on Sunday morning.

 

So, your education for me is to imply that the foster care system is nothing more than putting kids in cages... And you say I must choose my words carefully.

Back your shit up with proof! Prove your words, alien!

 

You don't comprehend the written word very well, do you?

At any given time there are approximately 450,000 children in the child Protection System in the United States. On average, they are in the system for 18 months, and will be moved about every 6 months.

Children in state care are supposedly monitored and have an advocate (a state employee) charged with making sure that their rights and welfare are protected. States have "oversight" groups who are charged with reviewing each case on a regular basis to insure the child's and family rights and welfare are protected. Shooter served on one such child protection oversight group. Shooter, as regular readers might recall, is/was a foster parent and adopted his 2 kids through a state agency.

Shooter knows of what he speaks.

Children in foster care are placed based on space available. Siblings are often separated because there are no foster facilities willing or able to take on 2 or more children at once. Special needs kids in foster care are especially hard to place because of their special needs. Welfare workers often place kids wherever they can find a bed without consideration of the appropriateness or fitness of a particular foster family; there is a dire shortage of foster families nationwide.

Although foster families are vetted (in Shooter's case the vetting took almost 6 months) shit happens. Nationwide, 80% of kids in foster care are mistreated. 60% are sexually abused. They are twice as likely to suffer violent death. Older foster kids, starting at about 13 will often simply run away, and foster families are notoriously unhelpful in determining why, and where the kid may have gone. Less than half who run away are ever returned to the foster system or their families. They simply disappear.

About 20% of kids placed in state care never return to their families or are adopted. At legal age (18 or 21 depending on the state) these kids are discharged to fend for themselves. Most will become teen parents, be chronically unemployed, and spend their lives in poverty; neither states or foster families are interested in preparing these lost youth for adult life. Virtually none will attend college, only half will graduate high school.

https://www.childwelfare.gov/topics/systemwide/statistics/can/stat-outofhome/


Now, if you question the facts or issues Shooter posted before (repeated here for your convenience and key parts highlighted in case your attention span is short) you can start by hitting the link to the web site he used for most of those facts. It is a government web site. If you question them please be sure to include the source for your figures in your response.

Shooter has first hand experience with state child protection service agencies in 3 states. Please also cite your experience and qualifications in your response, or the basis for challenging Shooter's post.

You can also contact Hush. She has had her own experiences that are relevant, Shooter thinks.

And, if you decide that is all just more work than you care to do, please kindly preface your future remarks on this subject with "I have no real experience or research to back up my spew, but I still want to spew".

That way readers who are unfamiliar with your spew will be better able to judge your response.

Or, you can do us all a favor and just shut up on this issue.​

 

So, you're saying these kids are being kept in cages?

Plus your blaming Obama for a system that existed long before he became president. And the president really has nothing to do with how that system works, unlike how the immigration system is being abused by Trump.

Still a false equivelance!

 

Anon, let's at least try to stay focused.
You accused shooter of lacking empathy and challenged him to identify the Americans who we should be more concerned about.

Shooter did that. To be clear, shooter is more concerned about the plight of American kids separated from their families than the plight of kids who come here uninvited.

And shooter never even mentioned Obama. Shooters first contact with child welfare started in the Reagan era and continued until last year.

Then your response was that shooter was full of shit and to "prove it".
Shooter has done that.

So, kindly stay on track, or admit that you are more interested in your trump spew than the plight of any kid, american or not. Shooter was willing to make allowance because you, like most people, are clueless about the "child welfare" system in America. Now you know.

Choose.

The plight of 2,500 uninvited kids who are not american, or 450,000 american kids. Both have been taken from their families against their will.

In other words, unless you want to refute shooters facts choose, and own it

Or, do us a favor and shut up.

 

Yes... Gotta love edited video... You can make people say whatever you like. And you go right on believing he is Muslim, but I have yet to see one picture of him praying in the direction of Mecca... You would think that over the course of 8 years, that's 2922 days, and having to pray 5 times a day, that would make 14,610 opportunities to take a picture of him on a prayer rug. Also, you would think that even if they couldn't take pictures that they would at least have seen theprayer room...

But hey, I do find it funny that you actually and truly believe he's Muslim. Thanks for the laugh,

 

I’m interested to know why it’s important what religion he is/was.

Does not the constitution guarantee freedom of religion?

How he worshipped was relevant to the presidency .... how?

Gotta love the separation of church and state. Right?

 

First of all, that you choose to call me out without actually responding to me (and I have to look for these posts), it says something about the merits of your arguments.

Then you tell me to stay focused without telling me where I lost focus... But you then offer as a example, American kids that do not in any way represent the point you think you are trying to make.

You seem to think that the foster care system in the US is broken and that those kids are being kept in cages... They are not in cages.

Oh wait! They aren't in cages...

You see... That is the difference.

Your comparison is a FALSE EQUIVELANCE!

And that is what I have been saying all along!

You are full of shit!