I watched this whole circus shaking my head in disgust. Mind you not in the disgust that was used to mobilize all the protests but disgust at how the whole confirmation process and even how Dr Ford's claim was handled.

From the way the Democrats some how made the fact that a college student would gasp drink heavily. To the fact instead of say actually checking out Dr Ford's claim they just ignored it until they could benefit the most from it.

Then there was the fact that people were actually able to rationalize the idea that to protect the integrity of the Supreme Court the most important aspect of the American Justice System (you know the fact that everyone is innocent until proven guilty) should be thrown out. Nevermind that there has been numerous innocent people wrongfully convicted based on witness statements. Yet these same witnesses still stand by by their statements that wrongfully convicted said individuals in the first place.

But even with that same history known to most of us there were people that were saying we should believe the accuser before everything else. Then call those of us that did find Dr Ford's story believable but in absence of other evidence we had to withhold judgment various names.

Which brings to mind the biggest take away from this whole thing. That is the fear I feel for the future should these same people be able to gain any more power within the government.

 

Despicables, pay attention; helllcat41979 has perfectly explained the sentiments of many Americans relative to the Kavanaugh circus. This, plus a roaring economy is what has to be overcome if you are to regain control of the house and/or senate.

Failure is not an option.

 

What would the left do without Shooter to tell them what they need to know?

Fail.

They might fail anyway, cause they might be too arrogant to even consider what an Alien Spy from Xcebia has to say, or even to take a hard self assessment at what they are doing and how that's working out for them.

 

I like beer...anything wrong with a couple beers?

 

Or should we all start sniffing French wine bottle corks?

 

I'm a self admitted airhead but this is why I never really liked politics. How can these people run the country and make the choices that affect our well being in every way possible with the bullshit I have seen in this situation. It's all crazy to me and it scares me.

 

The president is on .


Their gonna swear in Kavanaugh . Can you handle this ? Libbies

 

They got tons of money that’s how. And aren’t you supposed to end every sentence with “I think”

 

Me...embarrassed?....hardly cujo...Only you think that the United States federal fucking government is based upon a democracy.

The U.S. federal fucking government is a Constitutional Republic, that is the form of government that is representative of this nation

Now.. the individual States are a democracy, but not the U.S. federal fucking government.

 

I gave up talking more about this idea because the facts are that Trump and the right need Kavanaugh to vote soon to protect them from being deposed.
Yes folks one of the first cases Kavanaugh and the now stacked court will adjudicate will be whether or not Executive branch members can be deposed.

 

Thomas Jefferson to Isaac H. Tiffany, 26 August 1816, Monticello

Sir,

[The ancient Greeks and Romans] had just ideas of the value of personal liberty; but none at all of the structure of government best calculated to preserve it. they knew no medium between a democracy (the only pure republic, but impracticable beyond the limits of a town) and an abandonment of themselves to an aristocracy, or a tyranny...

[T]he introduction of this new principle of representative democracy has rendered useless almost every thing written before on the structure of government...my most earnest wish is to see the republican element of popular controul pushed to the maximum of it’s practicable exercise. I shall then believe that our government may be pure & perpetual. Accept my respectful salutations.

Th: Jefferson
https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Jefferson/03-10-02-0234

-------

Those who claim that the United States government is not a democracy do so in order to deny that the will of the majority lacks Constitutional legitimacy.

 

And again for the 8th time, this conversation between Jefferson and Tiffany had nothing to do the the U.S. Federal fucking government..

The response is attributed to BENJAMIN FRANKLIN—at the close of the Constitutional Convention of 1787, when queried as he left Independence Hall on the final day of deliberation—in the notes of Dr. James McHenry, one of Maryland’s delegates to the Convention.

“Well, Doctor, what have we got—a Republic or a Monarchy?”

“A Republic, if you can keep it.”
..

 

Read your own comment. Franklin was not asked if the U.S. government under the new Constitution is a republic or a democracy, he was asked if the new government is a republic or a monarchy.

 

Stop, you're making yourself look very foolish and rabid.

 

https://www.diffen.com/difference/Democracy_vs_Republic

Democracy Republic
Philosophy All eligible citizens get equal say in decisions. All eligible citizens get equal say in decisions with protection of unalienable rights to individuals.
Definition Rule by the omnipotent majority. In a democracy, an individual, and any group of individuals composing any minority, have no protection against the unlimited power of the majority. It is a case of Majority-over-Man. A republic is similar to a representative democracy except it has a written constitution of basic rights that protect the minority from being completely unrepresented or overridden by the majority.
Political System Democratic. [Note: this is not meant as a reference to a Democratic Party.] Republican. [Note: this is not meant as a reference to a Republican Party.]
Social Structure Class distinctions can become pronounced due to capitalist society. Varies from state to state. Class distinctions can become pronounced due to capitalist society. Varies from state to state.
Key Elements Free elections. Free elections, constitution.
Economic System Elected by the voters or their elected representatives. Usually capitalist or Keynesian. Elected by the voters or their elected representatives. Usually capitalist or Keynesian.
Religion Generally, freedom of religion is permitted, although a majority faction may limit religious freedom for a minority faction. Generally, freedom of religion is permitted, especially insofar as there is a constitutional prohibition on interfering with freedom of religion.
Free Choice Individuals may make decisions for themselves except insofar as a majority faction has limited individuals. Individuals may make decisions for themselves, especially insofar as there is a constitutional prohibition on interfering with freedom of choice.
Private Property Generally, private property is permitted, although a majority faction may place limits on property rights. Generally, private property is permitted, especially insofar as there is a constitutional prohibition on interfering with property rights.
Discrimination In theory, all citizens have an equal say and so are treated equally. However, often allows for the tyranny of the majority over the minority. In theory, all citizens have an equal say and so are treated equally by the government, especially insofar as there is a constitutional prohibition on government discrimination.
Modern Examples More than half of the world, including the US, Canada, Western Europe, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, etc. The United States of America is a republic.
Variations Direct democracy, parliamentary democracy, representative democracy, presidential democracy. Democratic republics, Constitutional republics.
Constraints on the government No; the majority can impose its will on the minority. Yes; the majority cannot take away certain inalienable rights.
Way of Change Voting. Voting.
Famous Examples Classical Greece, Rome Rome, France, United States Of America
Sovereignty is held by the whole population (as a group) the people (individuals)
Common confusion in the USA People commonly confuse direct democracy with representative democracy. The US officially has a representative style, though many have suggested the US is closer to an oligarchy or plutocracy. The US is actually a Republic. It is governed by rule of law. The elected are bound by oath to the written governing limits (ie constitution) yet vote "together" and create laws to address concerns of the represented in a democratic way
Observation in practice People commonly confuse direct democracy with representative democracy. The US has a representative style. But the will of the people shouldnt easily decide to change the rules that limit power to the government. The U.S.A.'s Constitution clearly shows the U.S. as a Republic, Article 4, Section 4 of the U.S. Constitution
Contents: Democracy vs Republic
laws. To put it in very simple terms, it is a form of government where people choose their own government and the voice of the majority rules. Once the majority is established, the minority has no say.


founders disagreed regarding the role of the federal government, none sought to build a pure democracy.

"We are now forming a republican government. Real liberty is neither found in despotism or the extremes of democracy, but in moderate governments." —Alexander Hamilton"It is, that in a democracy, the people meet and exercise the government in person: in a republic, they assemble and administer it by their representatives and agents. A democracy, consequently, must be confined to a small spot. A republic may be extended over a large region." —James Madison
Americans directly elect council members, governors, state representatives and senators, and numerous other officials. (However, senators were indirectly elected in the past.) Some other officials, such as mayors, may or may not be directly elected.[1]

The president is indirectly elected via the electoral college. The legislative and executive branches then appoint a variety of officials to their positions. For example, the president (executive branch) nominates a justice to the Supreme Court when a seat needs to be filled; the Senate (legislative branch) must confirm this nomination.

Jim Crow laws mandating racial segregation were deemed unconstitutional and were repealed, and in Brown v. Board of Education, the U.S. Supreme Court repealed state-sponsored school segregation.

In 1967, with Loving v. Virginia, the Supreme Court overturned all remaining anti-miscegenation laws which banned interracial relationships, including marriages. In the 1800s, however, the court had ruled in favor of states' rights to ban interracial sex, cohabitation, and marriage. This illustrates the power of cultural mores, which influence the interpretation of the constitution.

In more recent cases, the 2010 healthcare reform bill (a.k.a. Obamacare) was challenged in the U.S. Supreme Court because it forces individuals to buy health insurance. The law was passed by a majority in Congress, but critics claim that it violates individual liberties by forcing individuals to engage in commerce, a power that the government does not have in this republic. Ultimately, the Court ruled the individual mandate was constitutional but that states should not be required to expand Medicaid.

Another example is California Proposition 8, a state constitutional amendment in which a majority of voters in California voted to make same-sex marriages illegal. Critics of the law argue that this violates the individual liberties of gay and lesbian couples, and the majority does not have a right to do that in a republic. While courts in California upheld the amendment deeming it constitutional, a federal court overturned it, judging that it was unconstitutional under both the Due Process and Equal Protection Clauses of the Fourteenth Amendment.

Yet another example is Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission (2010). Citizens United is a conservative organization that sued the Federal Election Commission over its restrictions on campaign financing. The Supreme Court ruled in favor of Citizens United, saying that the restriction of an organization or corporation's right to fund a political campaign is a restriction of that entity's free speech rights under the First Amendment.

If the U.S. was not a republic, laws passed by the government (elected by majority) could not be challenged. The Supreme Court (and, indeed, lower courts too) can determine which laws are constitutional and has the power to uphold or overturn laws it judges to be unconstitutional. This demonstrates that the rule of law and the U.S. Constitution are higher authorities than the will of the majority at any given time.

democracy or republic, however, is difficult. Many countries, tribes, and cultures had at least some democratic or republican procedures. For example, voting on community matters, electing elders to power, and even creating rules regarding individual rights have occurred on small and sometimes larger scales.

Even so, the most well-documented early democracy was found in Athens, Greece, and established around 500 BCE.[2] Under Athenian democracy, the people voted on every law. This was a pure or direct democracy where the majority had nearly complete control over rights and progress.

The most well-documented historical representational republic is the Roman Republic, which developed shortly after Athenian democracy, again around 500 BCE. The rule of law favored by the Roman Republic remains popular in most of today's governments. It is worth noting that the Roman Republic had an unwritten constitution that was constantly adapting to changing principles.[3]



Click to enlarge. A map showing the many different kinds of republics in the world today.Wikipedia: Republic

• Wikipedia: Democracy

• Wikipedia: Direct democracy

Related Comparisons

• Donald Trump vs Hillary Clinton
• Commonwealth vs State
• Communism vsSocialism
• Anti-Federalist vsFederalist
• Communism vsFascism
• Left Wing vs Right Wing

• Follow
  
• Share
  
• Cite
  
• Authors

If you read this far, you should follow us:


Comments: Democracy vs Republic

Anonymous comments (5)
January 29, 2014, 3:47pm

Ben Franklin said It's a Republic, if you can keep it. We were separated from the crown at the conclusion of the Revolutionary War. Accordingly we are individual sovereigns. The case is brought to point by the jury. We as jury members can judge the law as well as the facts.

— 68.✗.✗.2332
October 25, 2013, 3:06am

Can't we all just get along and sing kumbya?

— 24.✗.✗.2111
March 23, 2014, 2:14am

This is wonderfully idealized fiction to teach the kiddies, but certainly not reality. A republic is a democracy in which mob rule has an extra barrier. We are no longer either a republic or a democracy. The steady erosion of campaign regulations by the corporate right wingers on the supreme court, combined with the influence of lobbying to corrupt the legislative process, along with politicians who use public office as an internship for their future corporate job, has made us a plutocracy. The wishes of the people don't matter, only the wishes of the tiny minority with deep pockets. Any civics book which doesn't cover campaign finance, lobbying, and the revolving door between government and corporate positions, should be thrown in the trash. Websites like this should be edited and updated to teach people how things actually work, and why it must be fixed. Instead of silly videos, post a link to the Opensecrets website.

— 76.✗.✗.223-2
November 9, 2013, 5:22am

I'm still confused... I ask others, they say we are a democracy, I look up the internet, 50/50 says we are a democracy and a republic...

— 24.✗.✗.249-8
November 1, 2013, 9:39pm

judges do what they want if they are liberal their interpretation of the law is liberal

— 204.✗.✗.162-8
Related Comparisons

1. Donald Trump vs Hillary Clinton
2. Commonwealth vs State
3. Communism vs Socialism
4. Anti-Federalist vs Federalist
5. Communism vs Fascism
6. Left Wing vs Right Wing
7. Communism vs Democracy
8. Democrat vs Republican

Follow Diffen
Recently Compared

• Ted Cruz vs Beto O'Rourke
• Equality vs Equity
• WPA2 vs WPA3
• Sanded vs Unsanded Grout
• Credit Freeze vs Fraud Alert

Make Diffen Smarter
Log in to edit comparisons or create new comparisons in your area of expertise!

Sign up »

• Donald Trump vs Hillary Clinton
• Commonwealth vs State

 

From the outside it's a bad look to have appointed a judge to the highest bench with the shadow of sexual misconduct looming overhead. Then again the idea of lifetime appointment is foreign to me.

 

I'm running for office - VOTE MAYLING