No of course not. Somebody somewhere in this thread made a comment about the over application of the market to everything so I was pointing out that liberals often undervalue market forces and it had cost them in many elections. I don’t really see any connection to conservative and liberal ascendancies and gun violence.
Most murders happen because of gang and drug activity and other criminal enterprises and domestic abuse. Obviously the war on drugs has been a total failure and so will the war on guns be.

 

This is a strange one my friend. There were all kinds of false reports earlier in the day that the sister and her boyfriend were killed in his car prior to the shooting. Then the Dayton police said the sister and her boyfriend rode to the club with the shooter and then sometime before the shooting they parted company. But no information on when that was exactly.

The police also confirmed the sister was killed outside the club with the other victims and believe she was the second person shot. The boyfriend was also shot but apparently has survived, But one of the weird things is when the police named all nine who had been killed for some reason they included the race of each on. And they were pretty close to half and half blacks and whites. But nothing on the race of the boyfriend. And I do not recall another shooting like this where they identified races. So I don't know why they did that.

Also as is often the case people that knew the shooter can't fucking believe it. Friendly guy. Fun loving guy. Trivia loving guy. That never caused any trouble or spoke ill of anyone. And there is nothing on social media I have seen to indicate his politics or anything else.

But sure as fuck something was up. Because he was wearing a mask, body armor, AR 15 and 100 round drum. Deadly fucking serious. And it took some planning.

And pretty good with a gun. The scene was crowded but not shoulder to shoulder packed so it wasn't just flock shooting. And it was only 30 seconds from his first shout until the police put him down just before he got inside the club. And he still managed to kill nine and injure 27.

 

All these mass shootings , i wish I could study these people's back grounds . Im sure they are not just random act of violence. I thinks theres more to these shootings then we will ever know .
Im sure the gun grabbers are jumping for joy right now , with no regard to the lives taken .

 

I'd bet a dollar to a coconut they were on 'happy drugs'. Most are.

 

But what if they couldn't get their hands on a gun that could shoot close to 40 people in 30 seconds?

And tell me College Boy what say if people are on "happy drugs" they can't have guns? Are you willing to go along with that?

 

Well, we can play what if all ya want, but what is - is they can get their hands on any gun their heart desires. That's reality.

Yes, people that need 'happy drugs' don't need firearms. Check back - the mass shootings involved 'happy drugs'

 

'Enough is enough': Cloudfare terminates 8chan, an online meeting place for 'extremist hate'

The online message board 8chan, which has been linked to three mass shootings in 2019, will be terminated, Cloudfare announced late Sunday night, just hours after the site's founder called for its end.

Cloudfare will cut off services for 8chan at midnight PDT, CEO Matthew Prince said in a statement, though he noted that another network provider could bring 8chan back online. That's what happened in 2017, when Cloudfare booted The Daily Stormer, a neo-Nazi message board.

"The rationale is simple: they have proven themselves to be lawless and that lawlessness has caused multiple tragic deaths," Prince said. "Even if 8chan may not have violated the letter of the law in refusing to moderate their hate-filled community, they have created an environment that revels in violating its spirit."

During media interviews earlier Sunday, 8chan founder Fredrick Brennan called for the imageboard 's end.

El Paso Walmart shooting: Quiet Texas neighborhood stunned by connection to El Paso shooting suspect

“Shut the site down,” Brennan told the New York Times on Sunday. “It’s not doing the world any good. It’s a complete negative to everybody except the users that are there. And you know what? It’s a negative to them, too. They just don’t realize it.”

Founded as an alternative to the more well-known 4chan message board, 8chan, or "Infinite Chan," has nearly 20,000 public boards. The website's welcome is, "Welcome to 8chan, the Darkest Reaches of the Internet."

Many of the posts that could be quickly accessed prior to the website's termination included offensive images and language.

Saturday's shooting at a Walmart in El Paso, Texas, which left 20 dead and 26 injured, is the latest with a link to the website. The suspected gunman has been charged with capital murder and the crime is being investigated as a possible hate crime after the discovery of a racist manifesto on 8chan.

In March, a New Zealand man posted a lengthy manifesto to Twitter and to 8chan before killing 50 and injuring dozens in a rampage that was live-streamed on Facebook and Twitter.

In April, a shooter posted a manifesto to 8chan before killing one woman and injuring three others at a California synagogue.

The New York Times reported 8chan, "remained on the fringes until 2014, when some supporters of GamerGate — a loose reactionary collection of anti-feminist video gamers — flocked to 8chan after being kicked off 4chan.

By Sunday evening, the shooter's alleged manifesto was still circulating on 8chan.

A 'venomous' website for 'extremist hate'
In interviews with the Washington Post and the New York Times, Brennan said 8chan needs to be shut down. He gave up control of the website to Army veteran Jim Watkins in 2015, both newspapers reported.

“The board is a receptive audience for domestic terrorists," Brennan told the Post.

The Washington Post called the website "one of the Web’s most venomous refuges for extremist hate."

One anonymous 8chan user, for example, praised the El Paso shooting in a thread, the Southern Poverty Law Center said in a news release.

“The motive and the manifesto have not been named the entire day. There weren’t even speculations. They are f------ SCARED.”

'But this isn't the end'
In a message at the top of its website, 8chan states, "only content that violates the Digital Millennium Copyright Act or other United States laws is deleted," from the imageboard and warns users that posts and boards are user-created and "do not represent the opinions of the 8chan administration."

Brennan told the Post that 8chan is a "vanity project" for Watkins that doesn't make much money. He also told the newspaper the website's servers are distributed around the world, which makes it difficult to take down.

It has also been protected from web-based attacks by Cloudflare, according to the Post. Cloudflare lawyer Douglas Kramer told the Post he worried dropping 8chan's protection would encourage "cyber vigilantism."

In its termination statement, Cloudfare said it feels uncomfortable "playing the role of content arbitrator" but called on technology companies to work with lawmakers on dealing with hate-filled sites.

"There comes a time when enough is enough," Prince said in a tweet with the termination statement. "But this isn't the end. We need to have a broader conversation about addressing the root causes of hate online."

 

Apparently this is not true PetCock and you are beneath contempt for spreading this kind of garbage and lies!

Still it does not surprise me that the extreme right would attempt such deflection which I think should be illegal!

PetCock spreads lies to shift blame for the motivation of the shooters with no respect for the victims!

PetCock is a cheat and a liar!

Do you get off on it TWAT

Thinskin

 

I have a theory on mass shootings and the people that commit these crimes. It's probably an unpopular one, but here it goes.

One of the few things that separates humans from animals is that we are the only ones that have the ability to kill each other from a distance. For every other living thing on this planet, killing is an up close and personal business. Teeth and paws, beaks and claws.

My theory involves technology and the wussification of todays American male. The more we tie ourselves to technology, the less human we become. Look at kids today. Rarely do you find one that is not attached to some sort of device 24/7. They live in basically a fantasy world of self imposed solitude. They can sit and watch youtuber's living their lives instead of living their own lives. And of course technology allows each of these criminals to instantly watch news stories about other people that are just like them, but getting recognition from society, even if it's for a horrific reason.

The second part of my theory, and probably more controversial, is that American "men" are no longer allowed to do "manly" things. By now we've probably all heard the phrase "Toxic Masculinity". We are the first generation in history to think being a strong, tough male is a bad thing. Now we want them to grow up soft and safe and face no barriers in life. In both shootings this weekend the shooters wore ear protection. Think about that for a minute. Ear protection! They were about to commit mass murder that would more than likely result in their death, but they took safety precautions. I dont know this for a fact but I would bet none of these kids ever played a sport, especially a contact sport and I bet none of them were ever in a little fist fight. Because in this day and age a schoolyard squabble results in the police showing up. Violence is a natural behavior. Non violence is a learned behavior and clearly the better of the two. But I think these poor lost souls wander around their lives without a method to blow off steam. And it finally erupts in one terrible incident.

 

I'm glad Texas still has the death penalty for murder.

I say bring back public executions. The bleeding heart libs say you can't execute people for murder because you can't be 100% sure they did it...

Well, is there any doubt in your mind about Patrick Crusius's guilt?

I say give him a fair trial and hang him if he is found guilty.

To those of you who say capital punishment cost too much, I say how much are the lives of the people he killed worth?

This is the only permanent answer to violent crime. Everything else is a waste of time and innocent lives...

 

Don't worry gun owners just ride this wave of anger out for another day or so and soon there'll be another disaster or talking point to distract the angry masses......

Maybe someone might finally bring up the disgraceful and exorbitant prices that big pharma charge.

 

Law abiding gun owners are not the problem.

 

Well they sort of are. As far as I'm aware, all of the weapons involved in mass shooting incidents were legally owned by the shooter. I'm happy to be proved wrong if that's not the case.

 

Just listen to the snowflakes howl. Even if they have to make shit up to do it. And these are the ones who want a civil war

 

I wish these fuckers would quit shooting people . actually think people are becoming desensitized . Can't even watch television . Its disgusting listening to these politicians all of them .

 

Going back to the Columbine shooting, the weapons were illegally purchased by a straw buyer, that is, someone making a purchase for a person who can't legally buy a weapon.

That seems to be the case with the San Bernardino shooters, though the details aren't yet clear. (No one with whom I'm acquainted "gives" a pair of semi-auto rifles to a former neighbor.)

The Aurora theater shooter purchased his weapons legally, as he was not a prohibited person, not having been adjudicated mentally ill.

The Virginia Tech shooter lied on his ATF Form 4473, as he had been committed. Most states are terrible about reporting adjudicated committals to the NICS database.

The criteria for a "prohibited person" may be found here: Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives .

Still, a "mass shooting," as commonly understood, which excludes such things as robberies, gang fights, etc., remains an extraordinarily uncommon event. The conversation needs to be about mental health and reporting. There are already sufficient (actually, more than sufficient) restrictions on firearms purchases.

I have said this before and I will say it again. If we start enforcing the current laws on the books that we already have, crime will go down.

 

Oops, forget to pop in and offer thoughts and prayers after the latest massacre. It's getting so I'll just pop in on a daily basis.

 

According to a study done on mass shootings in the US between 1982 and August 2019 concerning legality of the firearms used in the categories of Illegally Obtained, Legally Obtained, Unknown/To Be Determined, and Mixed Legal and Illegal.
1 incident was included in the mixed legality category
14 in unknown
16 in illegally obtain
81 in legally obtained
What they defined as a mass shooting event is no less than 4 dead not including the assailant(s). And before the NRA loving one celled collective start screaming fake news and biased left wing bullshit, the source is Mother Jones. Now let's do the math here kids, this means about 74% of all mass shooters legally obtained the weapons they then used to commit their crimes. Yes up until that point they were law abiding citizens.

 

Yes, that is the reality. Do you think there is reason to change that? Or should they continue to have free access? And don't give me the Bullshit line of "criminals don't care about laws", a lot of the guns used in these shootings were bought legally.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/current-gun-laws-stopped-deadliest-mass-shootings/story?id=63475147