Yeah if its up to me I declare this one the winner.

In the meantime it does not change the facts Trump helped spread and compounded the worst pandemic in our life times. The actions he took, did not take, and does not still take means tens of thousands of Americans are dying unnecessarily. We are the richest and most powerful country in the world and there is no excuse for it. The Federal Government basically only has one job which is to protect us. And if anyone can point to a worse government response lets see you do it.

The real reason I am posting this though is because the first thing that jumped out at me was what the nurses at the nursing home in Washington were saying. They didn't see runny noses. What they saw was red eyes.

‘Stop ignoring facts for political advantage’: CNN’s Cuomo tears into Trump’s refusal to lead on coronavirus

 

I see the tub of lard has fired the man in charge of oversight of your 2 trillion slush fund......I can hear the noses in the trough from my side of the planet!

Thinskin

 

There is no doubt this is Trump's fault. He was repeatedly warned this virus was coming to the US and did worse than nothing to prepare for it. Trump actually told his administration to do nothing while he lied to the American people. And unleashed the virus on us.

U.S. Intel Officials Warned White House of ‘Cataclysmic’ Virus in November, Says Report

https://www.thedailybeast.com/us-in...lysmic-virus-in-november-says-report?ref=home

 

This could go on the Liar In Chief thread because Trump is telling the nation he and the federal government aren't responsible for anything and its up to the states to get their own medical equipment while at the same time the federal government is stealing their medical supplies. And yes Trump is to blame for that.

States and hospitals left in the dark as federal government seizes their medical supplies without explanation: report

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/st...-medical-supplies-without-explanation-report/

 

If you and your rawsewage group are posting it....there's plenty of doubt

 

Wish Trump had handed the 1st cruise ship better.

 

It wasn't the cruise ship though. It was air travel. Especially between the US and China but in other parts of the world as well. The Trump administration was warned clear back in November. There were multiple other warns from December on. And all that time there were infected people coming to the US and Trump did worse than nothing. He restricted the government response and day after day lied to the American people. And all that time the virus is spreading across the US. And since Trump and the CDC blew the testing nobody knew where or how bad. Since he refused to order a stay at home order, declare a national emergency, our use the presidential act once Trump had actually helped spread the virus he crippled the entire national response and continues to do so at this moment.

And one way we can know this is by just looking at the cities and states that did shut down as soon as COVID-19 cases started to appear. Washington State just flattened the spread. So did San Francisco, and most of California. Because they took action when confronted with the treat while Trump was still saying we would soon be down to zero patients.

And Trump and only Trump is responsible for that.

 

More anonymous 'sources' - the go-to-guys for the MSM - but one of the only people named, didn't back up this new uncorroborated and unverified 'story;:

Asked about the November warning last Sunday on ABC’s "This Week," Defense Secretary Mark Esper told Chief Anchor George Stephanopoulos, "I can't recall, George. But we have many people who watch this closely. We have the premier infectious disease research institute in America, within the United States Army. So, our people who work these issues directly watch this all the time."

Pressing the secretary, Stephanopoulos asked, "So, you would have known if there was briefed to the National Security Council in December, wouldn't you?"

Esper said, "Yes. I'm not aware of that."

Can you imagine if Trump had called for a travel ban at the end of November? The Libfucks would have been speaking in tongues and frothing at the mouth. Even if there was a briefing in November, the Wuhan virus would have to unfold a bit before any government would deem it time for drastic measures.

As it was, the MSM and Demtards everywhere were screaming 'RACIST' - when the weren't laughing at Trump when he did call for the travel ban on China t the end of January - even Biden reversed his statement of 'Xenophobia' about it just days ago, apparently just pretending that he never said it.

What does the ABC story quoting phantom unnamed sources prove?
Nothing
What would it prove if sources had been named and the actual report had been leaked (and why wasn't it leaked - everything else is)?
Nothing

 

Hospitals say feds are seizing masks and other coronavirus supplies without a word
Noam N. Levey
LA TimesApril 7, 2020, 4:07 PM CDT



Although President Trump has directed states and hospitals to secure what supplies they can, the federal government is quietly seizing orders, leaving medical providers across the country in the dark about where the material is going and how they can get what they need to deal with the coronavirus pandemic.

Hospital and clinic officials in seven states described the seizures in interviews over the past week. The Federal Emergency Management Agency is not publicly reporting the acquisitions, despite the outlay of millions of dollars of taxpayer money, nor has the administration detailed how it decides which supplies to seize and where to reroute them.

Officials who’ve had materials seized also say they’ve received no guidance from the government about how or if they will get access to the supplies they ordered. That has stoked concerns about how public funds are being spent and whether the Trump administration is fairly distributing scarce medical supplies.

“In order to have confidence in the distribution system, to know that it is being done in an equitable manner, you have to have transparency,” said Dr. John Hick, an emergency physician at Hennepin Healthcare in Minnesota who has helped develop national emergency preparedness standards through the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine.

The medical leaders on the front lines of the fight to control the coronavirus and keep patients alive say they are grasping for explanations. "We can't get any answers," said a California hospital official who asked not to be identified for fear of retaliation from the White House.

In Florida, a large medical system saw an order for thermometers taken away. And officials at a system in Massachusetts were unable to determine where its order of masks went.

“Are they stockpiling this stuff? Are they distributing it? We don’t know,” one official said. “And are we going to ever get any of it back if we need supplies? It would be nice to know these things.”

PeaceHealth, a 10-hospital system in Washington, Oregon and Alaska, had a shipment of testing supplies seized recently. “It’s incredibly frustrating," said Richard DeCarlo, the system's chief operating officer.

“We had put wheels in motion with testing and protective equipment to allow us to secure and protect our staff and our patients,” he said. “When testing went off the table, we had to come up with a whole new plan.”

Although PeaceHealth doesn’t have hospitals in the Seattle area, where the first domestic coronavirus outbreak occurred, the system has had a steady stream of potentially infected patients who require testing and care by doctors and nurse in full protective equipment.

Trump and other White House officials, including his close advisor and son-in-law Jared Kushner, have insisted that the federal government is using a data-driven approach to procure supplies and direct them where they are most needed.

In response to questions from The Times, a FEMA representative said the agency, working with the Department of Health and Human Services and the Department of Defense, has developed a system for identifying needed supplies from vendors and distributing them equitably.

The representative said the agency factors in the populations of states and major metropolitan areas and the severity of the coronavirus outbreak in various locales. “High-transmission areas were prioritized, and allocations were based on population, not on quantities requested,” the representative said.

But the agency has refused to provide any details about how these determinations are made or why it is choosing to seize some supply orders and not others. Administration officials also will not say what supplies are going to what states.

Using the Defense Production Act, a Korean War-era law that allows the president to compel the production of vital equipment in a national emergency, Trump last month ordered General Motors to produce ventilators to address shortfalls at hospitals.

The law also empowers federal agencies to place orders for critical materials and to see that those get priority over orders from private companies or state and local governments.

Experts say judicious use of this authority could help bring order to the medical supply market by routing critical material — ventilators, masks and other protective gear — from suppliers to the federal government and then to areas of greatest need, such as New York.

Yet there is little indication that federal officials are controlling the market, as hospitals, doctors and others report paying exorbitant prices or resorting to unorthodox maneuvers to get what they need.

Hospital and health officials describe an opaque process in which federal officials sweep in without warning to expropriate supplies.

Jose Camacho, who heads the Texas Assn. of Community Health Centers, said his group was trying to purchase a small order of just 20,000 masks when his supplier reported that the order had been taken.

Camacho was flabbergasted. Several of his member clinics — which as primary care centers are supposed to alleviate pressure on overburdened hospitals — are struggling to stay open amid woeful shortages of protective equipment.

“Everyone says you are supposed to be on your own,” Camacho said, noting Trump's repeated admonition that states and local health systems cannot rely on Washington for supplies. “Then to have this happen, you just sit there wondering what else you can do. You can’t fight the federal government.”

 

The travel ban criticism just proves the existence of the get Trump movement.

When President Trump imposed the travel ban on China and Europe candidate Biden spewed that Trump was fucking up again.

Now, the spew is President Trump didn't act fast enough, that he should have acted sooner.

Whatever it takes.

 

It was just last week that donnie suggested that hospital staff were stealing these supplies.

Now a real leader would walk that accusation back and apologise for putting the hospital staff in a bad light....but then again a real leader when never have suggested it in the first place...

 

Whatever it takes.

 

Seriously!!!.

How can you defend him when he lies so much, accuses others of doing something when it was donnie and his departments were actually doing said thing.

Also he big notes himself that he was the first leader to impose travel bans on China, when on fact at least a dozen countries had beaten him to it......Australia and Italy being two of them.

He keeps promoting this malaria drug even though he has no medical training, why is he doing it?.
Could it be that he owns shares in the company that makes it.

He's putting all your lives in risk, but you still support him 100%, why is that?.

 

Why do you care, new zealand?

 

Trade Adviser Warned White House in January of Risks of a Pandemic
A memo from Peter Navarro is the most direct warning known to have circulated at a key moment among top administration officials.

A top White House adviser starkly warned Trump administration officials in late January that the coronavirus crisis could cost the United States trillions of dollars and put millions of Americans at risk of illness or death.

The warning, written in a memo by Peter Navarro, President Trump’s trade adviser, is the highest-level alert known to have circulated inside the West Wing as the administration was taking its first substantive steps to confront a crisis that had already consumed China’s leaders and would go on to upend life in Europe and the United States.

“The lack of immune protection or an existing cure or vaccine would leave Americans defenseless in the case of a full-blown coronavirus outbreak on U.S. soil,” Mr. Navarro’s memo said. “This lack of protection elevates the risk of the coronavirus evolving into a full-blown pandemic, imperiling the lives of millions of Americans.”



Dated Jan. 29, it came during a period when Mr. Trump was playing down the risks to the United States, and he would later go on to say that no one could have predicted such a devastating outcome.

Mr. Navarro said in the memo that the administration faced a choice about how aggressive to be in containing an outbreak, saying the human and economic costs would be relatively low if it turned out to be a problem along the lines of a seasonal flu.



But he went on to emphasize that the “risk of a worst-case pandemic scenario should not be overlooked” given the information coming from China.


In one worst-case scenario cited in the memo, more than a half-million Americans could die.

A second memo that Mr. Navarro wrote, dated Feb. 23, warned of an “increasing probability of a full-blown COVID-19 pandemic that could infect as many as 100 million Americans, with a loss of life of as many as 1.2 million souls.”

At that time, Mr. Trump was still downplaying the threat of the virus. The administration was considering asking Congress for more money to address the situation, and the second memo, which circulated around the West Wing and was obtained by The Times, urged an immediate supplemental spending appropriation from Congress of at least $3 billion.



“This is NOT a time for penny-pinching or horse trading on the Hill,” Mr. Navarro wrote in the second memo, which was unsigned but which officials attributed to him. It was unclear whether Mr. Trump saw the second memo, whose contents were first reported by Axios.

The second memo seemed aimed at members of the White House Task Force established by Mr. Trump to manage the crisis, and reflected deep divisions within the administration about how to proceed and persistent feuding between Mr. Navarro and many other top officials about his role and his views.

“Any member of the Task Force who wants to be cautious about appropriating funds for a crisis that could inflict trillions of dollars in economic damage and take millions of lives has come to the wrong administration,” the memo said.

Among other things, the memo called for an increase funding for the government to purchase personal protective equipment for health care workers, estimating they would need “at least a billion face masks” over a four-to-six-month period.


The administration ended up asking for $2.5 billion. Congress then approved $8 billion.

Mr. Navarro is now the administration’s point person for supply chain issues for medical and other equipment needed to deal with the virus.

The January memo written by Mr. Navarro was dated the same day that Mr. Trump named the task force to deal with the threat, and as the administration was weighing whether to bar some travelers from China, an option being pushed by Mr. Navarro.

Mr. Trump would approve the limits on travel from China the next day, though it would be weeks before he began taking more aggressive steps to head off spread of the virus.



Questions about Mr. Trump’s handling of the crisis, especially in its early days when he suggested it was being used by Democrats to undercut his re-election prospects, are likely to define his presidency. Mr. Navarro’s memo is evidence that some in the upper ranks of the administration had at least considered the possibility of the outbreak turning into something far more serious than Mr. Trump was acknowledging publicly at the time.

Neither Mr. Navarro nor spokespeople for the White House responded to requests for comment.

The memo, which was reviewed by The New York Times, was sent from Mr. Navarro to the National Security Council and then distributed to several officials across the administration, people familiar with the events said. It reached a number of top officials as well as aides to Mick Mulvaney, then the acting chief of staff, they said, but it was unclear whether Mr. Trump saw it.

Mr. Navarro is a well-established China hawk who has long been mistrustful of the country’s government and trade practices. Both Mr. Navarro and Matthew Pottinger, the chief deputy at the National Security Council, were among the few officials urging colleagues in January to take a harder line in relation to the growing threat of the coronavirus.

But their warnings were seen by other officials as primarily reflecting their concerns about China’s behavior — and their concerns look more prescient in hindsight than they actually were, other officials argue.

With the subject line “Impose Travel Ban on China?” Mr. Navarro opened the memo by writing, “If the probability of a pandemic is greater than roughly 1%, a game-theoretic analysis of the coronavirus indicates the clear dominant strategy is an immediate travel ban on China.”

Mr. Navarro concluded at one point: “Regardless of whether the coronavirus proves to be a pandemic-level outbreak, there are certain costs associated with engaging in policies to contain and mitigate the spread of the disease. The most readily available option to contain the spread of the outbreak is to issue a travel ban to and from the source of the outbreak, namely, mainland China.”

He suggested that under an “aggressive” containment scenario, a travel ban may need to last as long as 12 months for proper containment, a duration of time that at that point some White House aides saw as unsustainable.



The travel limits subsequently imposed by Mr. Trump did not entirely ban travel from China, and many travelers from the country continued to stream into the United States.

Mr. Navarro was at odds with medical experts like Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, who had argued that such travel bans only delay the eventual spread.

Mr. Navarro alluded to that debate on Saturday during a separate argument with Dr. Fauci in the Situation Room about whether the anti-malaria drug hydroxychloroquine was effective in treating or preventing the virus, according to two people familiar with the events.

In the memo, Mr. Navarro cautioned that it was “unlikely the introduction of the coronavirus into the U.S. population in significant numbers will mimic a ‘seasonal flu’ event with relatively low contagion and mortality rates.”

He noted the history of pandemic flus and suggested the chances were elevated for one after the new pathogen had developed in China.

“This historical precedent alone should be sufficient to prove the need to take aggressive action to contain the outbreak,” he wrote, going on to say the early estimates of how easily the virus was spreading supported the possibility that the risks were even greater than the history of flu pandemics suggested.

 

You seem to think there is something wrong with XNXX posters who live in New Zealand.

The Guardian, March 30, 2020

The New Zealand government’s swift move to lock down the country when there had been no deaths and only a few hundred cases of Covid-19 has drawn widespread praise...

New Zealand has recorded 647 cases of coronavirus; 14 people are in hospital with the virus, including two in intensive care, and one person has died...

New Zealand’s director general of health, Dr AshleyBloomfield, said extra PPE supplies were being rushed to workers on the frontline, many of whom have told MPs and the media they were running out of protective gear and felt unsafe doing their jobs.

 

In shootersa's case it is because Trump cut his taxes, and his stock market portfolio was growing until recently. Some of Trump's supporters have actually benefited from his economic policies. Most are gullible and the poorly educated people Trump pretends to love while privately despising. Christian conservatives are so credulous that they think the womanizing, lying, foul mouth pagan shares their values.

 

Australia actually.....but New Zealand is also a great country.

Sounds like you're too embarrassed to answer that one...

 

Haven't felt the urge to defend my political views to Trump haters and despicables for some time.

Who the fuck do you think you are, Hillary Clinton?

 

The Washington Post, April 7, 2020

HAVELOCK NORTH, New Zealand — It has been less than two weeks since New Zealand imposed a coronavirus lockdown so strict that swimming at the beach and hunting in bushland were banned. They’re not essential activities, plus we have been told not to do anything that could divert emergency services’ resources.

People have been walking and biking strictly in their neighborhoods; lining up six feet apart outside grocery stores while waiting to go one in, one out; and joining swaths of the world in discovering the vagaries of home schooling.

It took only 10 days for signs that the approach here — “elimination” rather than the “containment” goal of the United States and other Western countries — is working.

The number of new cases has fallen for two consecutive days, despite a huge increase in testing, with 54 confirmed or probable cases reported Tuesday. That means the number of people who have recovered, 65, exceeds the number of daily infections.


After peaking at 89 on April 2, the daily number of new cases ticked down to 67 on Monday and 54 on Tuesday. The vast majority of cases can be linked to international travel, making contact tracing relatively easy, and many are consolidated into identifiable clusters.

Because there is little evidence of community transmission, New Zealand does not have huge numbers of people overwhelming hospitals. Only one person, an elderly woman with existing health problems, has died.