Dont Blame Trump, he inherited this mess

thinskin · May 12, 2020

Barry D said: ↑

I'm going to take a stab at this, you don't live here do you?
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Correct! This a global forum and in my country the flu vaccine is available to all so you have learned a couple of things there!

There are US only forums available to those who wish to be insulated from the rest of us inhabiting this rock and I am sure they would welcome you with open arms!

Thinskin

anon_de_plume · May 12, 2020

Barry D said: ↑

spinners of fiction as fact
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Barry D said: ↑

One fact is there have been more deaths due to the "seasonal flu" so far then covid-19
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Speaking of spinners...

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

CDC estimates that influenza has resulted in between 9 million – 45 million illnesses, between 140,000 – 810,000 hospitalizations and between 12,000 – 61,000 deaths annually since 2010.
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https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html

The CDC is reporting 79,756 deaths, and that's in less than four months since the first death was reported in February.

stumbler · May 12, 2020

Dr. Fauci Tells Bernie Sanders Number of Coronavirus Deaths ‘Almost Certainly Higher’ Than Being Reported

Infectious disease expert Dr. Anthony Fauci told a Senate committee that the number of deaths from the coronavirus is “almost certainly higher” than the approximately 80,000 that have been counted in the official death toll.

Dr. Fauci and other Trump administration officials testified at a Senate Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions Committee hearing entitled “COVID-19: Safely Getting Back to Work and Back to School,” where Independent Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders asked about the official death toll.

“The official statistic, Dr Fauci, is that 80,000 Americans have died from the pandemic,” Sanders said, and added “There are some epidemiologists who suggest the number maybe 50% higher than that. What do you think?”

“I’m not sure, Senator Sanders, if it’s going to be 50% higher, but most of us feel that the number of deaths are likely higher than that number,” Fauci said, “because given the situation, particularly in New York City, when they were really strapped with a very serious challenge to their healthcare system, that there may have been people who died at home who did have Covid, who were not counted as Covid because they never really got to the hospital.”

“So the direct answered to your question, I think you are correct, that the number is likely higher. I don’t know exactly what percent higher, but almost certainly it’s higher,” Fauci said.

Fauci’s response contradicts what President Donald Trump has reportedly said in private, which is that the official death toll is “inflated,” but consistent with multiple analyses of excess deaths during the pandemic.

Watch the clip above via CNN.
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https://www.mediaite.com/news/dr-fa...-almost-certainly-higher-than-being-reported/

stumbler · May 12, 2020

Trump’s coronavirus response is genocide: Yale psychiatrist
By Bandy X. Lee, DC Report @Raw Story - Commentary
Published 1 min ago on May 12, 2020

Based on my violence prevention work with international organizations, I had classified Donald Trump’s refusal to protect the American people against COVID-19 as “democide” and stated it was “democide of genocidal proportions.” But can we truly call it “genocide”?

Yes. According to the UN’s Genocide Convention, the perpetration of genocide requires an “intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group.” Since the White House itself has acknowledged the disproportionate deadly effects of the virus on minority communities, the intent can no longer be denied.

If a government fails to protect a racial, religious, national, social, or political group against violence, it is considered governmental violence.

Over my 15 years of teaching Yale Law School students to represent asylum seekers, we emphasized that if a government fails to protect a racial, religious, national, social, or political group against violence, it is considered governmental violence. The Trump administration may not have produced the novel coronavirus, but an overwhelming majority of COVID-19 illnesses and deaths are attributable to his failure to act or to use the resources at the government’s disposal.

Currently, African Americans are bearing the disproportionate brunt. According to the American Public Media Research Lab, the COVID-19 mortality rate for African Americans is 2.3 to 2.6 times higher than other ethnicities. A national study found that socioeconomic factors, such as decades of spatial segregation, inequitable access to testing and treatment, and employment status predict infection and death rates better than underlying health conditions. Predisposing co-morbidities, such as diabetes and hypertension, are themselves associated with the stress of being systematically despised, disinherited and disenfranchised. There is nothing “natural” about this racial difference for an infection that does not biologically discriminate.

Latinos in many places are also disproportionately affected. A family physician in Oregon found among low-income patients over several weeks, for example, that Latinos were 20 times as likely as other patients to test positive for the virus. According to public health experts, Latinos, like African Americans, often have low-paying service jobs that require them to work through the pandemic, in close interaction with the public. Poor access to health care also contributes to preexisting conditions that worsen outcomes.

Native Americans are similarly suffering. According to Indian Health Services, the Navajo reservation, which stretches across parts of Arizona, New Mexico, and Utah, had as of April 30 the third-highest per-capita rate of COVID-19 in the country, after New York and New Jersey. Native Americans also appear to have a higher risk of serious complications, as they are likelier to suffer from diabetes, heart disease, and other conditions. Meanwhile, nearly 500 tribal casinos remain shut down, ravaging fragile tribal finances.

All this brings structural violence to sharp relief. “Structural violence,” coined by the great Norwegian sociologist Johan Galtung, refers to the avoidable limitations that society places on groups of people that constrain them from meeting their basic needs.

Unlike more visible and obvious forms of violence, where a person or a group of persons physically harms someone, structural violence works politically, economically, socially, and culturally to diminish its victims’ chances at life. At first glance, this does not seem like violence, since inequality and injustice are embedded in stable social structures that show little overt disruption.

Most Lethal Form of Violence
But structural violence is by far the most lethal type of violence, causing excess deaths—deaths that would not occur in more equal societies—that dwarf the deadliness of behavioral violence. It causes more than 10 times the deaths from behavioral violence, or homicides, suicides, mass murders and wars combined, year after year, and is also the most potent stimulant of behavioral violence.

Structural violence imposes limitations that are socioeconomic, educational, medical or legal in nature, and usually originate in institutions that exercise power over particular subjects. Because these limitations are insidious and embedded in structures of long duration, people grow accustomed to them and overlook them as nothing more than ordinary, daily difficulties. Yet it is an adaptation to enduring conditions that are in truth more insidious and damaging than any other violence, even as they grow exponentially as unequal power differentials create more unequal structures. Crises such as the viral pandemic expose these vulnerabilities, as the acute worsening of injury and death causes untenable façades and collective denial to crumble.

I had introduced the collection of expert essays, The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump, with the disclaimer that: “the main point of this book is not about Mr. Trump. It is about the larger context that has given rise to his presidency, and the greater population that he affects by virtue of his position.” I was referring to a collective responsibility that the Trump presidency exposes and calls for. A president who separates children from their families and cages them, builds border walls, inspires white supremacist terrorism, institutes travel bans along nationality rather than infectability lines and calls a global pandemic a “Chinese virus,” vastly exacerbating racist attacks, is an expression of longstanding, systemic violence.

The Greatest Perpetrator
The president also becomes, by virtue of his position, the greatest perpetrator of structural violence, as his policies such as tax cuts that funnel wealth to the rich, or coronavirus stimulus packages that favor large corporate bailouts, accelerate economic inequality. His long-standing racism, such as wishing to kill five black men wrongly convicted of a Central Park assault and rape of a white woman, has found policy expression through the likes of Stephen Miller, Steve Bannon, Wilbur Ross and his enablers throughout the Republican party. If we know nothing else about the inner workings of Trump’s mind, we should know by now to take him at his word: He hates Mexican “rapists,” immigrants from non-European “shithole countries,” and “losers.” If COVID-19 kills some of them off, well, to Trump, all the better.

And as the occupant of the world’s most powerful office, Trump’s mere suggestions may be taken as orders for behavioral violence. Charging his followers to “liberate” the economy and exhorting governors to open their states is like Henry II asking: “Will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest?” Trump puts mostly minority workers in danger, principally to improve his reelection prospects rather than to protect public health.

With his inaction and sometimes cavalier attitude toward this COVID-19 crisis, Trump is facilitating the most insidious, enduring and most lethal form of genocide. Since violent societies support the rise of violent individuals, the path for healing is not to enable this attraction but to name it and to allow for a moment of redress, rather than to rush down the precipice of self-destruction.
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https://www.rawstory.com/2020/05/trumps-coronavirus-response-is-genocide-yale-psychiatrist/

stumbler · May 13, 2020

White House Shelved CDC Warnings of Second Virus Surge After Reopening, Says Report

The White House shelved a warning from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that coronavirus cases will likely resurge after states reopen, according to a document seen by the Associated Press. The 63-page document offers previously unpublished guidance to help officials decide when to shut facilities down again during future outbreaks of COVID-19. The White House has used parts of the CDC guidance, but has reportedly set aside large sections that appear to be very important. For example, the original guidance tells people to avoid all non-essential travel until the very last phase of reopening, when cases are at the lowest levels. But the White House plan only recommends that communities “minimize” travel in the first phase of recovery and that, after 28 consecutive days of decline, non-essential travel can resume. The CDC guidance also acknowledges that COVID-19 cases will likely spike after states reopen, and says that local governments need to continuously monitor their communities to prevent being overwhelmed.

Read it at Associated Press
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/white...us-surge-after-reopening-says-report?ref=home

stumbler · May 13, 2020

America will face ‘darkest winter in modern history’ unless it improves COVID-19 response: HHS whistleblower

A key federal health official will deliver a stark warning to lawmakers this week about the risks America faces if its response to COVID-19 are not improved.

CNN reports that Dr. Richard Bright, who was ousted last month from his position as the head of the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority, plans to testify on Thursday that America will face its “darkest winter in modern history” without further measures to improve the government’s ability to test and trace people infected with COVID-19.

“Our window of opportunity is closing,” Bright will say, as reported by CNN. “If we fail to develop a national coordinated response, based in science, I fear the pandemic will get far worse and be prolonged, causing unprecedented illness and fatalities. Without clear planning and implementation of the steps that I and other experts have outlined, 2020 will be darkest winter in modern history.”

Bright has filed a whistleblower complaint alleging that he was removed from his position because he was resisting pushing anti-malarial drug hydroxychloroquine, which has been heavily promoted by President Donald Trump, as a treatment for COVID-19.

According to CNN, Bright will tell members of the House Committee of Energy and Commerce that he “resisted efforts to promote and enable broad access to an unproven drug, chloroquine, to the American people without transparent information on the potential health risks.”
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https://www.rawstory.com/2020/05/am...improves-covid-19-response-hhs-whistleblower/

stumbler · May 14, 2020

So instead Trump allowed the virus to spread unknown from coast to coast.

Trump Feared Testing Too Many People for Virus Would Spook Stock Markets, Says Report

President Trump was wary of making preparations for the coronavirus pandemic because he was concerned doing so would sent the stock market into a panic, the Financial Times reports. In a quote attributed to an unnamed Trump confidant who is said to speak to the president frequently, it’s claimed: “Jared [Kushner] had been arguing that testing too many people, or ordering too many ventilators, would spook the markets and so we just shouldn’t do it... That advice worked far more powerfully on [Trump] than what the scientists were saying. He thinks they always exaggerate.” Elsewhere in the FT investigation into Trump’s handling of the coronavirus pandemic, an unnamed administration official is reported to have told the paper that trying to advise the president is like “bringing fruits to the volcano... You’re trying to appease a great force that’s impervious to reason.”

Read it at Financial Times
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump...ould-spook-stock-markets-says-report?ref=home

stumbler · May 14, 2020

Seriously Trump supporters you want to talk about crimes? How about 86,248 dead Americans. And for what?

‘150,000 Americans sacrificed for the stock market’: Jared Kushner reportedly advised less COIVD-19 testing to calm Wall Street

“Kushner’s advice did nothing to prevent a market crash, and it’s likely that the administration’s refusal to act in time only threw the economy into more chaos.”

President Donald Trump’s son-in-law and special advisor Jared Kushner reportedly urged his father-in-law in the early stages of the coronavirus pandemic not to prioritize testing or ordering potentially life-saving equipment like ventilators because of fears it might drive down stock prices.

Kushner’s efforts to convince the president not to take decisive action were first reported in the Financial Times:

“Jared [Kushner] had been arguing that testing too many people, or ordering too many ventilators, would spook the markets and so we just shouldn’t do it,” says a Trump confidant who speaks to the president frequently. “That advice worked far more powerfully on him than what the scientists were saying. He thinks they always exaggerate.”

“And there you have it,” tweeted strategist Mark Elliott. “150,000 Americans sacrificed for the stock market.”

GQ‘s Luke Darby pointed out Thursday that the advised ploy didn’t even work.

“Kushner’s advice did nothing to prevent a market crash,” wrote Darby, “and it’s likely that the administration’s refusal to act in time only threw the economy into more chaos.”

“And while the stock market largely affects the investment portfolios of the rich (the wealthiest 10 percent of Americans own more than 80 percent of stocks),” he added, “the fallout has the rest of the country reeling, with a historic 36 million people filing unemployment claims.”

Melissa Jo Peltier ✔ @MelissaJPeltier

Note to Kushner:
Dead people don’t travel, shop at malls, go to bars & restaurants or football stadiums.

Dead people don’t even go to Trump rallies. https://twitter.com/markmobility/status/1260940493615235073 …

Mark Elliott @markmobility

Absolute killer quote: “Jared [Kushner] had been arguing that testing too many people, or ordering too many ventilators, would spook the markets and so we just shouldn’t do it..."

And there you have it. 150,000 Americans sacrificed for the stock market. https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-feared-testing-too-many-people-for-virus-would-spook-stock-markets-says-report …

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10:41 AM - May 14, 2020

The president’s obsession with the economy is tied to his re-election hopes, according to the Financial Times reporting:

In the meantime, Trump will probably continue to dangle the prospect of miracle cures. Every week since the start of the outbreak, he has said a vaccine is just around the corner. His latest estimate is that it will be ready by July. Scientists say it will take a year at best to produce an inoculation. Most say 18 months would be lucky. Even that would break all records. The previous fastest development was four years for mumps in the 1960s.

On Thursday, Trump appeared to suggest to reporters at the White House that testing was itself the source of the problem.

“If we didn’t do any testing we would have very few cases,” the president said.

The Nation writer Jeet Heer was quick to respond.

“It sounds insane when you put it like this,” Heer tweeted, “but the idea ‘if we didn’t do any testing we would have very few cases’ is the core of Trump’s response to the pandemic.”
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https://www.rawstory.com/2020/05/15...ed-less-coivd-19-testing-to-calm-wall-street/

Deleted User kekw · May 15, 2020

I'm still curious how someone inherits a "novel" virus.

thinskin · May 15, 2020

I saw that Moscow Mitch has had to apologise!

I had to read that twice!

Thinskin

shootersa · May 16, 2020

Why it seems to be a politician thing.
You know, how a politician will lie about something, and get caught and then try to divert to some other politicians lie, and when that doesn't work, they try to just cover up.

Now admit it; despicables and deplorables do it all the time.

stumbler · May 16, 2020

Ok I admit my mathematical disability. And you guys might have me. Just answer me this. When was the last time we had 88,144 dead Americans dead in 3 months from a single cause?

Deleted User kekw · May 16, 2020

stumbler said: ↑

Ok I admit my mathematical disability. And you guys might have me. Just answer me this. When was the last time we had 88,144 dead Americans dead in 3 months from a single cause?
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That's nearing 30 9/11s.

Perspective

shootersa · May 16, 2020

stumbler said: ↑

Ok I admit my mathematical disability. And you guys might have me. Just answer me this. When was the last time we had 88,144 dead Americans dead in 3 months from a single cause?
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Now, cause you're mathmatically challenged, IF Covid deaths continue at the same rate for the next 9 months, the answer to your question is; heart disease and cancer, and they happen every year.
No quarantine
No shut down of the economy
No $3 TRILLION and counting stimulus bills.

Now, if Covid deaths level off we can likely add in the next 4 causes of death.
No quarantine
No shut down of the economy
No $3 TRILLION and counting stimulus bills.

Deleted User kekw · May 16, 2020

shootersa said: ↑

Now, cause you're mathmatically challenged, IF Covid deaths continue at the same rate for the next 9 months, the answer to your question is; heart disease and cancer, and they happen every year.
No quarantine
No shut down of the economy
No $3 TRILLION and counting stimulus bills.

Now, if Covid deaths level off we can likely add in the next 4 causes of death.
No quarantine
No shut down of the economy
No $3 TRILLION and counting stimulus bills.
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This neither shows deaths over 3 months and it's from 2017. This is from a month ago, and COVID deaths per day have increased quite a bit since then:
https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-leading-cause-of-death.html

anon_de_plume · May 16, 2020

shootersa said: ↑

Now, cause you're mathmatically challenged, IF Covid deaths continue at the same rate for the next 9 months, the answer to your question is; heart disease and cancer, and they happen every year.
No quarantine
No shut down of the economy
No $3 TRILLION and counting stimulus bills.

Now, if Covid deaths level off we can likely add in the next 4 causes of death.
No quarantine
No shut down of the economy
No $3 TRILLION and counting stimulus bills.
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Now if only all the categories, except for one, were actually communicable diseases... There's no reason whatsoever to think of a quarentine for any except one of those categories.

This is a false comparison! Disingenuous! Dismissed!

submissively speaking · May 16, 2020

shootersa said: ↑

Now, cause you're mathmatically challenged, IF Covid deaths continue at the same rate for the next 9 months, the answer to your question is; heart disease and cancer, and they happen every year.
No quarantine
No shut down of the economy
No $3 TRILLION and counting stimulus bills.

Now, if Covid deaths level off we can likely add in the next 4 causes of death.
No quarantine
No shut down of the economy
No $3 TRILLION and counting stimulus bills.
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Just to reinforce Anon’s point:

How many of those things are communicable via aerosol transmission?

thinskin · May 16, 2020

shootersa said: ↑

Why it seems to be a politician thing.
You know, how a politician will lie about something, and get caught and then try to divert to some other politicians lie, and when that doesn't work, they try to just cover up.

Now admit it; despicables and deplorables do it all the time.
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It is also a shooterthing.......you are an nobsessive liar!

They roll off your tongue sometimes in tandem!

Untruths are your stock in trade!

Thinskin

anon_de_plume · May 16, 2020

@shootersa
https://forum.xnxx.com/post-comments/900263/

And the answer is, every damn year from heart disease and cancer.

Y'all want to change the question go talk with rear admiral butt nugget.
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But then you go on to add this little gem...

shootersa said: ↑

No quarantine
No shut down of the economy
No $3 TRILLION and counting stimulus bills.
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You bring in other conditions that would have nothing at all to do with the current situation. There would be no medical reason to hold a quarentine for any of the conditions on your list, save maybe one.

So, your answer is disingenuous at best, and you then tried to hide behind stumblers question, forgetting it was you that added the criteria of a quarentine.

Dismissed!

shootersa · May 16, 2020

So, rear admiral butt nuggets reference was clearly to covid, you know, since 88,000 deaths.

For which we've quarantined, and shut down the economy, and spent $3 TRILLION.

Now, your butt hurt insults don't bother Shooter, nor why the answer to the question triggers you.

Perhaps you should go to your little safe spaces and think about that.

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