So, the new order for all hospitals to report their data about Covid19 to HHS, rather than the CDC, just seems weird. Anyone care to give a reasonable, logical response?

The only reason I can come up with is that Trump wants direct control over everything that is officially reported, all so he can manipulate the numbers in the hopes of influencing the election.


https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/15/tru...d-reporting-us-coronavirus-hospital-data.html

 

I agree that Trump's goal is to control the narrative... he can't stand that science is real and that science is in control, always.

 

Why, of course you'd go right to "Trump is a liar and manipulator".

Cause Trump

The reality is, the numbers that are supposed to help with decision making are increasingly being found to be unreliable.
In Florida, hundreds of labs are reporting 100% positive tests for Covid. When pressed, the answer was "oh, we're just reporting the positive results, not the negative results" and when pressed about why a lab would report, say 400 tests and 398 positive and 2 negative, and how then is that just reporting the positive results, the answer was "We'll get back to you on that."

And what is even worse is, the state blithely accepted these numbers and reported them. No one questioned a 100% positive test rate for Covid. That is, until some intrepid media reporters got wind of it and said to themselves "self, this doesn't look right".

And then we have accident victims reported as Covid deaths. How the hell are we even supposed to know the mortality rate of Covid if states report covid deaths that include car accident and shooting victims?

And if you can find a reliable source for hospital bed vacancies you're better at research than Shooter is, cause as far as he can tell, there is no nationwide data base of hospital bed utilization, much less how many of those beds are taken by Covid patients. Hell, even New York, it turns out, grossly overestimated the number of beds it was gonna need, and as a result we sent a Navy hospital ship to New York (with great fanfare) to help with the expected overload. And the thing was quietly pulled out a month later when it turned out it was a complete waste of resources.

And for damn sure, there is no uniform reporting procedure. Not for how often data is reported, not for a uniform definition of things like death due to covid, nor for new cases (does a positive test result automatically mean a new case, or does it mean antibodies are present?) nor for hospitalizations for covid. And did you know, some people are being tested multiple times, and the result being reported each time as a new patient? How fucked up is that?

Now, the scientists been telling us all manner of benchmarks needed to reopen business and declare this thing whipped. And it's all based on unreliable numbers. We don't know the infection rate, the hospitalization rate, or the mortality rate of Covid.

So the task force told everyone that going forward, report your numbers to us, not to CDC. Oh, and here are some standard definitions and guidelines for counting this stuff, and even a nifty form you need to use, you know, so we can tabulate the totals easier.

And just so states don't get their hair knotted up (cause Trump is taking over), a state can accept the responsibility for reporting to the task force all the numbers for all the hospitals in their state, but there are requirements for them to do so, and until the feds are willing to accept as reliable what the state is doing, each hospital IN THE COUNTRY will report the numbers daily to the task force.

And the task force will simultaneously give the numbers to the CDC, you know, so everyone has the facts and can rely on them.

"manipulate the numbers in the hopes of influencing the election?"

Nope.

The reality is, the task force is trying to do the job they were formed to do, and the despicables are again politicizing everything thats being done. No matter, if their propaganda leads to more uncertainty, less trust in the process, and ultimately bad decisions based on bad data that can kill.

Whatever it takes, get Trump.

 

And considering that you have cited Infowars as a credible source just makes you far from credible...

 

To the bitter end...

 

Actually, it's whatever it takes to Make America Healthy Again! That you want to claim I'm making this about Trump is purely political pandering on your part.

Balls in your court, alien asshat!

Spoiler

Now whine a little louder about how much you think I hate Trump!

 

Trump & Covid 19 in 2020.

 

Are the states own health services under federal or state control?

Honest question I mean the federal government has turned covid-19 into a train wreck in the US but surely there is someone who can count independently of the federal government!

It beggars belief that you are just sheep in the US in that you think the truth is democrat or repulican!

Thinskin

Get a fucking grip and starting acting like adults.

 

And for more proof of this lots of states are asking for help from the National Guard and military because their hospitals and doctors and nurses are being overwhelmed. And so a few days ago lots of people were What The Fuck because Trump was sending out the national guard to hospitals but not to help with the COVID 19 emergency medical crisis. Trump sent them out to actually collect the data from hospitals which made no sense at all until Trump bypassed the CDC. Then it makes perfect sense. Just like a Banana Republic tin horn dictator Trump is using the military to keep the truth from coming out. Trump is trying to cut off every voice about the COVID 19 crisis so the only thing the American people hear is his lies.

It is the CDC that has always protected the American people in a health crisis and Trump is trying to cripple them because he thinks it will help him get re-elected and does not give a fuck how many Americans he kills in the process.

And the real problem is the reason Trump is doing that is because he is mentally ill and cannot bear to have his delusional view of reality challenged. So he has corrupted the entire government to lie, cover up, and do everything they can to make his delusions seem real. It is terrifying and deadly.

Also notice how the pro Trump talking points instantly appear here. In fact more than immediately appear because Trump supporters like @shootersa were already pushing the false narrative of unreliable numbers coming out of Florida even before the White House was.

And that too might be a totally scripted propaganda tool. A false flag set up by super Trump supporter Gov DeSantis to distract and deflect from Florida being the COVID 19 epicenter. It is all based on labs in Florida that just reported positive results and not negative results which of course would give them a 100% positive result. But the question is why are they doing that? Because they are overwhelmed? Because they are the fucking most incompetent medical labs in the world? Or because DeSnatis said they could so he and Trump could point to it later? And its probably all of those three.

But it is total red herring fallacy. The positive rates don't have a fucking thing to do with the total number of cases and deaths. Those numbers are solid so the positive rates they are screaming about are just a detraction from the fact DeSantis has been doing Trump's bidding and bowing to his delusions and it has turned Florida into such a disaster if Florida was a country they would be number 4 worldwide for the number of COVID 19 cases .

 

Trump effectively turned everything over to the states, but he still wants credit for "doing an awesome job"! In the past, the federal government always took the lead so there was one concerted effort. As you can see, the alternative has been a disaster, Then you add to it how poorly Trump is handling things, and then finally his supporters who denounce everyone who says anything counter to Trump, and the picture of failure is complete.

As evidenced already, they claim this is nothing but a "get Trump" exercise, but that's just then deflecting attention away from the real problem. They can't see things objectively. Hell, my family is also a victim of this divide. Over got three sisters who are diehard Trump fans, and one of them who was a nurse for 40 years, says Trump is right and the CDC is wrong. Go figure. This isn't about partisanship, this is purely about objectively seeing what is happening and acting accordingly.

Now, just how many retorts will fly in my direction, laughing at the word "objective", but I'll just tell you now. I'm being completely objective when I say "Trump Sucks Donkey Balls!"

 

Holy fuck!
You realuze you actually put this out there......

Yeah, so the Feds can require daily reporting, in a format and with information they specify, and they can decide if it goes to CDC, HHS, or the press office.

Know why??

CAUSE ITS A FUCKING PANDEMIC AND A NATIONAL EMERGENCY!!
Duh!!

 

What is becoming painfully obvious is what we are actually dealing with here is Trump's mental illness and just glaring contradictions where he just bounces like a pinball from one extreme to the other. Trump tried to hand his total failure to deal with COVID 19 over to the states after it was too late and spreading from coast to coast. But then he turns right around in the next breath and says he can dictate to the states to open up and now make them re-open schools even though the country is setting new daily records in COVID 19 cases and the death rate is climbing.

That is actual insanity. Trump obviously can't have it both ways. But due to his mental illness he can only respond to his psychological needs at the moment and cannot even see his own glaring contradictions.

Which is why now he is trying to take control of the COVID 19 numbers. He really does believe if he can just keep the numbers from coming out it will be like COVID 19 just magically disappeared like he keeps saying it will.

 

Hey, rear admiral motherfucker, how is President Trump going to keep the numbers from going out?

Please, tell us how that would work?

You have read the guidance from HHH and the task force, right?

Probably save some embarrassment on your part if you did .....

 

Has our president ever been known to lie about numbers or exert pressure on anyone to shade the facts to fit what he says?

 

So the non-scientists are going to determine what data the actual scientists actually see!

And you think that is reasonable?

 

If anyone would bother to read the HHH guidance you wouldn't need to be embarrassing yourselves this way.

When hospitals transmit the data it SIMULTANEOUSLY (that means at the same time) goes to CDC.

 

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I don't like it. Talk about China holding back info, look what's happening here. We're bypassing the CDC, discrediting Dr. Fauchi and others in the medical community. I can't believe it, to be honest.
Don't like it at all.

 

Please do show some proof of this, all the reporting I've seen said that the CDC has removed from the list of recipients of this data.

 

When the hospitals are at capacity and they are stacking up bodies like cord wood it’s going to be real hard to fudge the numbers.