Whether you like it or not,Barack Obama is the president of the USA.I served under Carter,Reagan,Bush,Clinton,Bushjr and Obama,and every one of them was the Commander in Chief of this country,now can any one on this forum honestly say that they know what those men went thru in that role. Didnt think so, but before you start judging them as Commander in Chief remember one thing, they do what they are advised to do that benefits every last one of us.The marine refused a direct order by his own admission and if you think that is the right thing to do,then go out and give up your rights as an american, the bad thing about him he will never ever be able to claim to be a marine,The Proud and the Few, some of you might not understand that but then maybe you dont honor your country and the men and women who sacrifice for it, this man is a disgrace to the United States Fighting Man and Woman.There is your pride live with it/Master Chief/ i spent over 30 years serving this country, maybe some of you need to pigk up a weapon and do the same.

 

Agreed 100% on this one. He wasn't drafted, forced into the service. He Volunteered and now choosing to use a bullshit excuse

 

Exactly. You can be a partisan as a citizen, but as a military member you should leave politics behind as soon as you put on the uniform. The military should seek to be non-partisan, always. In the military and have political opinions? Fine, just don't make statements in uniform (including using orders for political reasons). Especially if you're an officer.

If it were up to me, I'd seriously consider treason charges. No shit. The only problem there is that the civilian media would likely see that as a political move, so it probably wouldn't fly. It'd definitely be worth considering, though.

 

It is simple, if every one in the military decided to refuse orders, need i say more/Master Chief

 

To give you an example of all of this,years ago i think iwas an 1st class at the time, a local politician running for office wanted to come on board ship to talk to the men, he wasnt allowed.The military as a whole can not support any individual canidate,it is the same in the American Legion, on politics it is best they keep silent.Master Chief

 

It's good to see some reality injected into this debate.
I grew up a navy brat, and so I know enough to know that when it comes to internal military policy, you have to defer to the strips.
People who put in the years know the ins, and outs like no one else.

Yeah, that is the attitude I want in an American military officer, speaking as an American civilian.
Having said that, I also think that it was a good idea for General Petraeus to implement a new strategy with out seeking permission from anyone initially.
It showed a cagey understanding of the political situation to realize that that was the time to push something forward that was firmly rooted in the situation on the ground, and also allowed us to BE the good guys.
It's not the military's job to build societies, but that seems to be what we've got them doing, and I think that it is a testament to the heart, and mind of the American fighting man, and women that in so many tiny, gigantic ways they have preformed admirably.
It's doubly impressive when you consider it's not a job they were trained for.

 

I wish they would courtmartial him - the first charge should be manifest stupidity. How'd such a fool ever get to be an O-5?

 

Dear Deidre,

No one cares that you do not believe that Obama is an American citizen.
You are within the minority on that...

On the same level of falseness, Obama IS trying to help Americans out. Just because you don't see it that way from your own point of view doesn't mean much at all. I don't think Obama is helping me much, but, he is helping a lot of Americans out that were basically ignored by the Bush administration, i.e. the lower middle class. Keep in mind that any middle class American's status can change at any time, depending on his or her's employment status.

One thing you might also want to keep in mind is that Obama was elected by the majority of Americans. So, he is legitimately the President and you need to respect him and not not propagate false accusations about him, irregardless of whether you agree with him or not. On the other hand, it's perfectly acceptible to vocalize your disagreements and protest his policies in a civil manner.


Whitey

 

Ah hah! I caught someone! After all these years, I finally caught someone!
There's no such word!

haha! I was finally able to tell someone that! I'm so happy now!
Do I get a grammar nazi pin now, or something?
:-H

 

Dear Whitey,

Thank you for your concern but I really do care or I would have kept quiet, you obviously care or you would have not made your post belittling me. Like I said he has never shown any legal document to the effect, officials in Hawaii gave the go ahead because that is the way the world works sometimes. Can we be serious here? Obama is helping himself by enlarging government at unseen levels giving no hope to future generations of escaping a dependence on the government. I think you need to keep in mind that a majority of voters did vote him in but that is quite different from the current majority seething with anger at the audacity of Washington to pass legislation we simply don't want and in the fashion they did it, that is what I find to be apalling. I firmly believe everything I have posted against the President, where should we start? Acorn? Ayers? Wright? Abortion? Bailouts? Healthcare? Please tell me because it seems to me there is a gross hypocrisy on this forum concerning politics, no worries here ;-) like I have said I hate Obama and everything he is about, the sooner he is gone the better for America and me, just my opinion. + thank you


Sincerely, Deidre

 

Deidre,

I think we should start by fucking to get all of our frustrations out.

Then we can get together over a drink discuss your points. Have some wine....

ACORN never did anything wrong. Both Obama and McCain supported it at one time or another. You can't knock a group that got more people out to vote. It nolonger exists as an organization.

Ayers lived in the same town as Obama. So what? I once lived in the same town too. I'm not a terrorist and neither is Obama.

Wright? He said some wrong things as all of us do. Obama can't control his actions just like I can't control yours.

Abortion. Ideallogically, I don't like it. But, roe vs. wade decision was made a long time ago. Abortion isn't even an issue on the table.

Bailouts. Let's see, Bush, McCain, and Obama worked on the initial bailouts of the banks that were too big to fail. Obama continued this policy with other corporations. In the short run, it's worked because the economy is improving and we avoided a depression. The ionly thing is that unemployment is still prevailing, as with any recession. Sure theres some taxes to pay, but think how bad it would have been if we were in a depression.

Health care is a good thing for working folks that don't have it that can't afford to pay for it. For the rest of us, it could increase taxes or it may not. The jury is still out. Universal health care has worked in Germany for a century insspite of two lost wars and reunification. he country is roughly 1/3 the size of the USA.

You are entitled to hate Obama. I'm not sure why other than you have been misguided by someone, or...?

Now we can agree to disagree and fuck some more because my dick is hard again.

Whitey

 

+

 

...ya might wannna recast that, dude.

 

:excited:

 

Whitey :rose: I am not laughing at you I am laughing at this notion Acorn is somehow innocent which by the way you believe...They have simply disbanded into fraction organizations under different names to further some cause I have yet to figure out other than telling the public they rally citizens to sign up as Democrats? The bad press was way too much but that government money seems way too good. peace