Actually Distant Lover, no means no when it comes to respecting women in any situation when they feel uncomfortable about the behaviour of an aggressor towards them. With respect to rape, the experience can be very traumatic and result in longterm if not lifelong psychological effects.

I have to ask, Distant Lover, how would you expect a 6 year old to say no? Personally, I do not know any children of this age who have the mental capacity to even understand what is happening to them let alone have the ability to tell a rapist no.

You may think that it was unfair of me to step the age down to where it becomes a situation of sexually abusing a child, but it is not. I think people who view a lot of porn and hangout on message boards sometimes get this false sense that rape is just another form of rough sex and is not.

Distant Lover, when people do not respect women and are sexist to begin with I think this rough sex falsity is even more exemplified. Be careful not to not let pornography and personal prejudices give you some delusional idea that women and children enjoy being raped.

One thing SMC said was that it is typically a male who is the rapist irrespective of the victim's gender. What does this say to you, Distant Lover? Anyhow, you did make the insightful statement that women do not typically report rape, but please understand the reality of what is involved and how victim's may feel the effects their whole lives. :rose:

"Fear and anxiety are normal responses to trauma, and so is feeling the need to be on guard against possible danger. Researchers have found survivors of sexual abuse are up to five times more likely to be diagnosed with at least one anxiety disorder than other people (Saunders et al, "Child sexual assault as a risk factor for mental disorder among women: a community survey," in Journal of Interpersonal Violence 7, 1992).

Self-harming, addictive, compulsive, and suicidal behaviors"

http://www.dcrcc.org/support_counseling/adult_survivors_of_child_sexual_abuse/C121/emotional_effects1/

 

Reason with your potted plant; you'll have more chance of changing its mind.

 

I still vote "no"

 

veru true

 

what I wanna know is if it is true that most of the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia then why is it our government is still allies with them and why did my unit do a mission to train Saudi Arabian soldiers? If your statement was true then we would be in Saudi Arabia. Also why is it I saw men and women die in Iraq, almost die myself numerous times, dodging shrapnel and other shit I'd prefer not to relive and talk about? the places we are in and the places we are being attacked from/at are not Saudi Arabia or Kuwait, but Iraq and Afghanistan and I am saying this from an enlisted soldier's view... now don't take offence to this I am just stating my point of view and thesis on the subject from my experiences and knowledge... maybe you have something different I'd like to know about.

 

We may be arguing over fine shades of meaning. I maintain that rapists receive sexual pleasure. Do you agree? If so, you agree that rape is about sex.

As far as more complex motives are concerned, a high social status makes a man desirable to women. It may be the case that many men who are unable to attract women with their economic and political power resort to muscle power. Nevertheless, what they want and get is sexual pleasure.

When I read about successful men who are convicted of rape it is usually the case that they have personality problems that make it difficult for them to attract women.

This does not mean that rape is ever justified, or that rapists deserve any sympathy at all.

 

LOL Umm, no Distant Lover... I cannot speak for X-Orion or SMC but it seems to me that they are saying that it is the violence and the crime that the rapist is getting off on. I think this too and like X-Orion stated the penetration is a mechanism.

Distant Lover, in some cases the penetration is performed with objects and not with the rapist's penis. I am not sure how your claims would fit this scenario.

 

Up to here, you're fine. I cannot fault your statement.

But here...

...you're off the rails. That's a false correlation fallacy. Look at it this way: do you agree that flying an open top bi-plane makes one windswept? Yes? Then you agree that flying an open topped bi-plane is about getting windswept. It's clearly ludicrous in this form, but that's what you're doing.

Rape is not 'about' the act of sexual intercourse. It involves the act of sexual intercourse, but it is 'about' displaying dominance, about revenge on womenfolk [or one in particular], and/or about taking out anger that may be specific or non-specific.

This entire paragraph is naught but speculation, though you fail to dress up the final sentence in such a fashion. Again, I disagree with you: rape is not about the act of intercourse, it is about 'putting women in their place', if you will.

Correct. This failure builds to resentment, until the only way they can obtain sexual gratification is through a woman being abused or, as they might put it, 'getting what they deserve'. It's not the sex, it's the perceived punishment that excites them; they are being punished for not submitting to him by being forced to submit in the most visceral, demeaning fashion possible - forced sex. Again, I stress: the sex is a mechanism to further what really excites them to orgasm, which is degradation.

 

This is nicely put. :rose:

 

i was rape

i was rape by my babysitter..he force me to suck his dick then fuck my tight ass..i was just 10ys a boy too!

i'll bet thats why i'm bi now..i start liking the cock at that i love pussy and cocks now!

 

If it was about sexual release then castration would solve the problem.
But rapist who are chemically castrated often still have the same mindset and will use other objects (bottles, sticks etc.) to penetrate their victims. They will also physically abuse them in non-sexual ways.

How is that about sexual pleasure?

 

WTF ?.

so, your telling me women enjoy that type of behavior ?. dude, what
planet are you from ?. let me ask you this. if a man breaks into your home
and rapes your wife, your telling me she deserve's it ?.

what about your girlfriend, your sister, your mother, aunt, female cousin,
grandmother too. did all those women deserve it too ?.

have you ever spoken to a rape victim ?. do you know any personally ?.

i have. i stood there and heard there stories. watch them sob, watch
the tears stream down their faces, hear their cries, and tell all the details
too. saw some of the bruise's/scars they had.

why don't you talk to some of these individuals' and you might learn
something.

let me ask you this, if your daughter told you that, would you feel
the same way ?.

what if your son was rape by a group of women, which was part of
some initiation into an elite club, would you believe him ?.

would you call him " GAY " for coming to you and complaining about it ?.

would you consider him " GAY " or " WEIRD " for not liking/allowing it to
happen ?. i TRUTHFULLY, would like to hear what you have to say on all
of this.

when your MAN enough to answer, let all of us hear what your response is.

:evil::-s:sad:

 

Don't feed the troll.

 

The crime was never reported out of embarrassment. It would have been a fight the whole way to have them press charges, take it to trial and even if the man had been convicted he would have gotten a light punishment if any at all.

I think many women who do not report it just don't think it's worth it and would rather suffer in silence.

 

It seems to me you take a contrary stance just to get a rise out of people or you are just a stupid person who has enough sense to put together a semi lucid argument.

When are you going to realise that the worlds psychological community is correct and you are not. But then again you are DL, the man who is always right.

Now go and do a little research, see what the worlds renowned forensic psychologists have to say about the subject, or are you too proud to admit you are wrong.

 

To Carrie, I said the following...

And yet, I am still here. What does that say about me? :roll:

 

Whatever else rape does, it gives sexual pleasure to the rapists. Anyone who has difficulty understanding that is too stupid to be a psychologist.

 

At least you know you're not alone.

 

No-one is denying that rapists obtain sexual gratification through the act of rape.

What we are denying is that pleasure derived from penetrative sex is the primary motive behind rape.

Again, I tell you: they do not do it because they want to stick their penis in a woman, they do it because they want to degrade the woman and sex is a way of doing so that also happens to give direct stimulation. Nonetheless, other rapists obtain pleasure from the use of objects upon the victim; other psychopathic personalities derive pleasure from the infliction of degradation through generalised abuse and even the act of killing.

You are making this too narrow, DL.

 

Those who mindlessly repeat the liberal platitude, "Rape is not about sex, it's about power," mean just what they say, and they are wrong.