This is the problem with conspiracy theories, they take one little fact and then from that extrapolate a grand plot against the people with no further factual evidence. Do you really believe that your government could create such an elaborate plot, even to the point of getting one of the US's arch detractors "on message" to reinforce it. Are they so competent that they can do this but not balance a budget, are they that clever. Would not mumble mouth GW of let it slip by now.

The simple fact is that a bunch of Arabs devised a simple plot of hi-jackiing a few aeroplanes and driving them into a few buildings.

 

Here, knock yourself out with this site:
[FONT=Callisto MT,Georgia,Book Antiqua,Palatino,Times New Roman,Serif][SIZE=+2]Evidence that Flights AA 11 and AA 77
Did Not Exist on September 11, 2001

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/aa_flts/aa_flts.htm
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Fuck you druggy, go back to your drugs

 

Both attacks where faked, its a pretty well known fact at this point. I can only speculate about the world trade center, but I know for a fact how the Pentagon attack went down. I will not give a rank or name, but a high ranking officer formerly in my chain of command was part of a review board set up by the Air Force after the attack. And he personally did see the infamous surveillance video of a missile hitting the Pentagon while on this board.

For any who still are in denial, let me show you some other interesting facts. The Pentagon is actually visible from Andrews AFB, it's only a few miles away. And all planes within several hundred miles are monitored. When they break the 150 mile "bubble" around the base and are off course or cannot be contacted by radio, fighters are up in the air within minutes. Also, all aircraft taking off and landing nearby airports have their flight patterns monitored and must maintain a predetermined path of flight, rate of climb, and speed until a certain distance away.

I won't delve into the other numerous flaws with the government explanation, I just felt these were some key points that are often looked over.

 

I have always heard that Chenny (Vice President) was running a drill during the accual attack and had complete control over the normal fail safes that would have prevented the jetliners from straying so far off course.

Is this just another rumor feeding the conspiracy or did we get attacked by terrorists using our jetliners at the exact same time a drill depicting an attack using jetliners was being ran?

 

I've heard that, and it's beyond bullshit. A drill wouldn't render our entire air defense system for Washington D.C. incapable.

 

How on Earth did two 9/11 hijackers passports' survive Flight 11's plane crash on september 11?

How on Earth did two 9/11 hijackers passports' survive Flight 11's plane crash on september 11? Google it. Al Suqami's passport was found by an anonymous person who handed it into the police, the same day despite a 6-month clear up. Also, on the SAME day, Atta's passport was found. We're told that the plane crash instantly vaporized all on board hence none of the hijacker's bodies, the "undestroyable" black box, yet two paper-made documents survived.



Has the government planned this type of stuff before?

Yes! Click... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

Operation Northwoods was a series of false-flag proposals that originated within the United States government in 1962. The proposals called for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), or other operatives, to commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities and elsewhere. These acts of terrorism were to be blamed on Cuba in order to create public support for a war against that nation, which had recently become communist under Fidel Castro.[2] One part of Operation Northwoods was to "develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington."
Operation Northwoods proposals included hijackings and bombings followed by the introduction of phony evidence that would implicate the Cuban government. It stated:

"The desired resultant from the execution of this plan would be to place the United States in the apparent position of suffering defensible grievances from a rash and irresponsible government of Cuba and to develop an international image of a Cuban threat to peace in the Western Hemisphere."
​

Several other proposals were included within Operation Northwoods, including real or simulated actions against various U.S. military and civilian targets. The plan was drafted by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, signed by Chairman Lyman Lemnitzer and sent to the Secretary of Defense. Although part of the U.S. government's Cuban Project anti-communist initiative, Operation Northwoods was never officially accepted; it was authored by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but then rejected by President John F. Kennedy.

 

The steel in the Towers was certified by Underwriters Laboratories Inc. to withstand 2000°F for 6 hours! Jet fuel produces a maximum temperature of 1800°F in a special combustion chamber. With that in mind... The south tower burned for about 56 minutes and the north for about an hour and 43 minutes. Producing a complete collapse of 110 stories in under 11 seconds.

 

The biggest thing pointing to the flaws in the CT arguments is that they are still alive and posting this crap, if a government was so competent in the dark art of cover-ups and keeping their nefarious plots secret why have they allowed you to live and post this crap.

 

http://www.debunking911.com/

After the OP we'll have the 9/11 wingdingers. :excited:

 

Think about it, the majority of people accept the truth as it is told to them. Out of the entire U.S. population, the percentage of people questioning the attacks is still in the single digits. They're considered crazy people for the most part, and they're not making a difference in things. Nobody is being investigated or anything, there is no reason to start offing people, at least not yet.

 

Straw man

 

Whatever happened here, one thing is clear ... the US dropped the ball on that tragic day and the military that boasts to be the best in the world wasn't there for it's people that day.

Explain that to the over 3000 people that directly lost their lives that day, not to mention the many that have since died of health concerns.

RIP

 

We have by far the world's best military, that's a fact. The attacks had nothing to do with the military being inadequate. The blame lies with our leaders that are willing to start wars purely for their own benefit.

 

Not to mention that fighters were scrambled in the wrong direction in NY that morning.

Bottom line ... someone wasn't there to protect their people that day.

 

More bullshit. Steel doesn't have to melt for it lose structural integrity. Heat those beams to the temps experienced at 9/11 and its load carrying capacity diminishes quickly. Add to that the physical destruction caused by the impact, the blasting of fire protection foam off the beams and the weight of the stories above the impact area and you have a collapse. Why the fuck I'm debating this with tinfoil hat wearers is a mystery. You're a disgrace to the memory of the people who died that day and those who had to deal with the aftermath.

 

How do we even know that any of that is true?

 

Its standard building codes. Most any structural steel has a minimum requirements list

 

+ 1 million.

 

Ex UL employee (Underwriters Laboratory) Kevin Ryan says UL certified the steel of the towers which did not fail during testing for the NIST

• UL does not certify steel. They certify assemblies which included fireproofing on the steel
• Kevin Ryan worked as a water tester and did not have anything to do with the collapse investigation
• Mr. Ryan was let go from UL because he was making false statements about the company
• The steel assembly with 1/2 inch fireproofing was rated for only 45 minutes.
• UL never tested steel assemblies without fireproofing