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While I can neither confirm nor deny the smartness of my pants at this particular juncture, I would like to address this part of your post specifically:

You really think, with the male politicos in your country, voting against freedom to choose to abort a fetus conceived in rape and not allowing women access to free contraception, that women are seen to be on an equal footing to those males?

Now, whether or not you refer to Muslims in a derogatory fashion by using the term moslem, which goes far to show your own ignorance btw, the fact remains that in the UK, Wales, England, Northern Ireland and Scotland (where I don't live, just a by-the-by), if I got raped by anyone, irrespective of whether or not they were family members, I could get an abortion, no question asked. Plus, if I decided to carry the baby to term and give birth to it, I wouldn't be forced to allow the sperm donor access to the child.

 

I don't wear pants. Or panties. Umm...

The Unites States is devolving toward the dark ages, but there are beacons of hope. Contraception is covered by Obamacare, for instance. And the troglodytes in the Party of Lincoln can vote any way they damned well please for sake of making an empty point, but we have a President who espouses late third trimester and partial birth abortion, so no one can say America isn't Going Forward.

Cultural difference. Sort of like fuck being a naughty word here and bloody being a naughty word there.

Moslem is the spelling used by the eminent historians Will and Ariel Durant in The Age of Faith, and if it's good enough for them, it's good enough for me.

I realize many Americans are offended by Moslem, but they're the same empty-skulled goofballs who spell gray with an 'e' and theater with 're' on the end because they think it makes them look cultured.

 

I don't do Breitbart.

You can quote all the bullshit you want from all the moonbat apologist blogs you want. Whatever you dredge up to affirm your true belief in your messiah is fine and dandy.

He said he was a Muslim, and you know it.

His grandmother said he was born in Kenya.

He also said he was born in Kenya.

He can't write.

The only verified examples of his writing are inept.

We don't have any of his grades. At all.

We don't have his IQ.

True believers assert that he is a genius. There is no evidence anywhere to back the claim.

He does not have his law license. We don't know why.

GM is being looted as punishment for buying back its bailout.

Apple is being looted as punishment for the blasphemies of Steve Jobs.

Domestic and foreign banks are being looted by Holder under Frank Dodd and IRS witch hunts.

NASA has been defunded and its core projects funneled to crony Elon Musk.

Keystone is shelved at the behest of hedge fund cronies, and crony Berkshire Hathaway is making a fortune moving crude oil by rail.

The debt is on track to double in the term of one president, the cumulative debt of all previous presidents.


Obama is not evil.

He's just a fucking moron, put in power twice by fucking morons.

 

Maybe I just want to know.

And if it doesn't matter, why does he side with Sunni towel heads and camel jocks in every damned fight? Why did he free those five Gitmo bad guys in exchange for Sargent Booga Bergdorf but leave Chris Stevens to get ass raped, castrated and snuffed by a bunch of Moslem barbarians?

If it doesn't matter, why can't the jerk pretend to give a damn that a Christian dies every time he gives a gun to a goatherd?

Answer that, Mr. Sullygom.

Sheesh.

 

Say, Ghost of Christmas Future, I've changed my mind. This fun poll needs a "Riverdance Bitches" option after all. Could you ask your better half to plop one on for the titillation of the masses?

Thanks a bunch.

Sheesh.

 

Clarise, if Pres Obama has any practiced religion, based on his actions and statements, these are the probabilities:

1. Devotee of the Cult of Obama, in which he sees himself as a living god-king on earth, the savior of earth, the savior of all humanity, etc., etc., etc.

The truth is much simpler: he is a pathological narcissist with delusions of godhood. He is clinically insane in my book (and for the record, insanity does not mean he is stupid. Just completely incompetent and insane.)

 

Whatever. Narcissist... like, what does that even mean, now that the moonbats are using it on the Koch Brothers?

If it means Obama is a selfish fucking bastard, well okay then, but I suppose it at least means he's aware of his own pulse, and that much I can respect.

But all I want to know is, Sunni or Shiite? It's not hard. Sheesh.

 

Hum, you'll believe just about any conspiracy...

 

There has not been a national election in decades that has not been conspiracy.

 

Yeah, I know... I hate it too when dead people vote, they should just stay the fuck dead and leave voting to Republicans.

 

Conspiracy?

Dude.

I'm not saying he wasn't born in Hawaii.

All I'm saying is that he said he is Kenyan.

I am not saying he is Sunni. All I'm saying is that he says he is Moslem.

NASA has been defunded.

And Elon Musk does say he will help Humanity go to Mars (on our dime (oh, Elon the Great Man! (we adore him so (and he is so photogenic (and so fuckable)))))))).......,


Point is.... I accept statements of fact and do not attempt to qualify, rationalize or negate them. They are what they are. You are the one twisting reality to suit your Faith in your Savior.

 

I'd ask you for proof that Obama said he was born in Kenya, but I know you like forcing others to disprove your shit. And as far as NASA is concerned,

2014 Budget

http://spaceflightnow.com/news/n1401/17budget/#.U6TWqZ8o6BY

President Barack Obama signed a budget measure Friday giving NASA more than $17.6 billion for the year, fully funding the space agency's heavy-lift Space Launch System and Orion exploration capsule while falling short of NASA's request to pay for commercial space taxis.


2013 Budget

http://m.space.com/14553-2013-nasa-budget-proposal-highlights.html

Provides $17.7 billion, a decrease of 0.3 percent, or $59 million, below the 2012 enacted level.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budget_of_NASA

If you look at the Wikipedia page, Obama has higher budget numbers than Bush.

Where do you get this notion he defunded NASA? Yes, things have changed, but their funding has not been effected.

 

While Obama's "New Direction" for NASA still funds at a comparable rate to prior administrations, he effectively cut the legs out from under the "Constellation" program for manned flights by defunding it. After over $10 billion dollars was sp ent on the program it has been scrubbed, only to be replaced by commercial flights (other than sub-orbital). So he has in effect, totally abandoned the NASA successful programs for untested new ones that do not include direct control of the process.

 

And from what I've read...

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_policy_of_the_Barack_Obama_administration

I would think this would be a prove program for cuts to any conservative. Behind on schedule, over budget, underfunded...

 

That does not change the facts, it only illuminates them. What Obama did was to privatize the space program, with little or no direction from the legislative branch.

Whether the Constellation program was on target or on budget is irrelevant, it was scrapped and the money earmarked was rerouted to private concerns. The US space program was the absolute leader in space exploration and development, this has essentially been scrapped for private corporations to reap the benefits with the cost being picked up by the taxpayer.

Do you really like this???

 

That is just an opinion unless you have proof that that is what he did.

You say a lot of things without having any sort of attribution.

Also, I thought conservative liked privatization? Bush tried to do that to SS, but thankfully failed. How about Charter Schools? That's blowing up now, too. Also this won't be the first time that the government privatized technology they developed. Ever hear of the internet? Now corporations are wrangling to control how we the people can use what we paid to develop.

 

here is the day NASA got fucked


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THE PRESIDENT: Thanks for the warm welcome. I'm honored to be with the men and women of NASA. I thank those of you who have come in person. I welcome those who are listening by video. This agency, and the dedicated professionals who serve it, have always reflected the finest values of our country -- daring, discipline, ingenuity, and unity in the pursuit of great goals.

President George W. Bush delivers remarks on U.S. Space Policy at NASA headquarters in Washington, D.C., Wednesday, Jan. 14, 2004. The President committed the United States to a long-term human and robotic program to explore the solar system, starting with a return to the Moon that will ultimately enable future exploration of Mars and other destinations. White House photo by Eric Draper. America is proud of our space program. The risk takers and visionaries of this agency have expanded human knowledge, have revolutionized our understanding of the universe, and produced technological advances that have benefited all of humanity.

Inspired by all that has come before, and guided by clear objectives, today we set a new course for America's space program. We will give NASA a new focus and vision for future exploration. We will build new ships to carry man forward into the universe, to gain a new foothold on the moon, and to prepare for new journeys to worlds beyond our own.

I am comfortable in delegating these new goals to NASA, under the leadership of Sean O'Keefe. He's doing an excellent job. (Applause.) I appreciate Commander Mike Foale's introduction -- I'm sorry I couldn't shake his hand. (Laughter.) Perhaps, Commissioner, you'll bring him by -- Administrator, you'll bring him by the Oval Office when he returns, so I can thank him in person.

I also know he is in space with his colleague, Alexander Kaleri, who happens to be a Russian cosmonaut. I appreciate the joint efforts of the Russians with our country to explore. I want to thank the astronauts who are with us, the courageous spacial entrepreneurs who set such a wonderful example for the young of our country. (Applause.)

And we've got some veterans with us today. I appreciate the astronauts of yesterday who are with us, as well, who inspired the astronauts of today to serve our country. I appreciate so very much the members of Congress being here. Tom DeLay is here, leading a House delegation. Senator Nelson is here from the Senate. I am honored that you all have come. I appreciate you're interested in the subject -- (laughter) -- it is a subject that's important to this administration, it's a subject that's mighty important to the country and to the world.

Two centuries ago, Meriwether Lewis and William Clark left St. Louis to explore the new lands acquired in the Louisiana Purchase. They made that journey in the spirit of discovery, to learn the potential of vast new territory, and to chart a way for others to follow.

America has ventured forth into space for the same reasons. We have undertaken space travel because the desire to explore and understand is part of our character. And that quest has brought tangible benefits that improve our lives in countless ways. The exploration of space has led to advances in weather forecasting, in communications, in computing, search and rescue technology, robotics, and electronics. Our investment in space exploration helped to create our satellite telecommunications network and the Global Positioning System. Medical technologies that help prolong life -- such as the imaging processing used in CAT scanners and MRI machines -- trace their origins to technology engineered for the use in space.

President George W. Bush greets shuttle astronauts from right, Peggy Whitson, Stephanie Wilson, and John Grunsfeld, and Ellen Ochoa at NASA headquarters in Washington, D.C., Wednesday, Jan. 14, 2004. The President committed the United States to a long-term human and robotic program to explore the solar system, starting with a return to the Moon that will ultimately enable future exploration of Mars and other destinations. White House photo by Eric Draper. Our current programs and vehicles for exploring space have brought us far and they have served us well. The Space Shuttle has flown more than a hundred missions. It has been used to conduct important research and to increase the sum of human knowledge. Shuttle crews, and the scientists and engineers who support them, have helped to build the International Space Station.

Telescopes -- including those in space -- have revealed more than 100 planets in the last decade alone. Probes have shown us stunning images of the rings of Saturn and the outer planets of our solar system. Robotic explorers have found evidence of water -- a key ingredient for life -- on Mars and on the moons of Jupiter. At this very hour, the Mars Exploration Rover Spirit is searching for evidence of life beyond the Earth.

Yet for all these successes, much remains for us to explore and to learn. In the past 30 years, no human being has set foot on another world, or ventured farther upward into space than 386 miles -- roughly the distance from Washington, D.C. to Boston, Massachusetts. America has not developed a new vehicle to advance human exploration in space in nearly a quarter century. It is time for America to take the next steps.

Today I announce a new plan to explore space and extend a human presence across our solar system. We will begin the effort quickly, using existing programs and personnel. We'll make steady progress -- one mission, one voyage, one landing at a time.

Our first goal is to complete the International Space Station by 2010. We will finish what we have started, we will meet our obligations to our 15 international partners on this project. We will focus our future research aboard the station on the long-term effects of space travel on human biology. The environment of space is hostile to human beings. Radiation and weightlessness pose dangers to human health, and we have much to learn about their long-term effects before human crews can venture through the vast voids of space for months at a time. Research on board the station and here on Earth will help us better understand and overcome the obstacles that limit exploration. Through these efforts we will develop the skills and techniques necessary to sustain further space exploration.

President George W. Bush and NASA Administrator Sean O'Keefe watch as Michael Foale, right, commander of the International Space Station welcomes the President during a live television link from space at NASA headquarters in Washington, D.C., Wednesday, Jan. 14, 2004. White House photo by Eric Draper. To meet this goal, we will return the Space Shuttle to flight as soon as possible, consistent with safety concerns and the recommendations of the Columbia Accident Investigation Board. The Shuttle's chief purpose over the next several years will be to help finish assembly of the International Space Station. In 2010, the Space Shuttle -- after nearly 30 years of duty -- will be retired from service.

Our second goal is to develop and test a new spacecraft, the Crew Exploration Vehicle, by 2008, and to conduct the first manned mission no later than 2014. The Crew Exploration Vehicle will be capable of ferrying astronauts and scientists to the Space Station after the shuttle is retired. But the main purpose of this spacecraft will be to carry astronauts beyond our orbit to other worlds. This will be the first spacecraft of its kind since the Apollo Command Module.

Our third goal is to return to the moon by 2020, as the launching point for missions beyond. Beginning no later than 2008, we will send a series of robotic missions to the lunar surface to research and prepare for future human exploration. Using the Crew Exploration Vehicle, we will undertake extended human missions to the moon as early as 2015, with the goal of living and working there for increasingly extended periods. Eugene Cernan, who is with us today -- the last man to set foot on the lunar surface -- said this as he left: "We leave as we came, and God willing as we shall return, with peace and hope for all mankind." America will make those words come true. (Applause.)

Returning to the moon is an important step for our space program. Establishing an extended human presence on the moon could vastly reduce the costs of further space exploration, making possible ever more ambitious missions. Lifting heavy spacecraft and fuel out of the Earth's gravity is expensive. Spacecraft assembled and provisioned on the moon could escape its far lower gravity using far less energy, and thus, far less cost. Also, the moon is home to abundant resources. Its soil contains raw materials that might be harvested and processed into rocket fuel or breathable air. We can use our time on the moon to develop and test new approaches and technologies and systems that will allow us to function in other, more challenging environments. The moon is a logical step toward further progress and achievement.

With the experience and knowledge gained on the moon, we will then be ready to take the next steps of space exploration: human missions to Mars and to worlds beyond. (Applause.) Robotic missions will serve as trailblazers -- the advanced guard to the unknown. Probes, landers and other vehicles of this kind continue to prove their worth, sending spectacular images and vast amounts of data back to Earth. Yet the human thirst for knowledge ultimately cannot be satisfied by even the most vivid pictures, or the most detailed measurements. We need to see and examine and touch for ourselves. And only human beings are capable of adapting to the inevitable uncertainties posed by space travel.

As our knowledge improves, we'll develop new power generation propulsion, life support, and other systems that can support more distant travels. We do not know where this journey will end, yet we know this: human beings are headed into the cosmos. (Applause.)

And along this journey we'll make many technological breakthroughs. We don't know yet what those breakthroughs will be, but we can be certain they'll come, and that our efforts will be repaid many times over. We may discover resources on the moon or Mars that will boggle the imagination, that will test our limits to dream. And the fascination generated by further exploration will inspire our young people to study math, and science, and engineering and create a new generation of innovators and pioneers.

This will be a great and unifying mission for NASA, and we know that you'll achieve it. I have directed Administrator O'Keefe to review all of NASA's current space flight and exploration activities and direct them toward the goals I have outlined. I will also form a commission of private and public sector experts to advise on implementing the vision that I've outlined today. This commission will report to me within four months of its first meeting. I'm today naming former Secretary of the Air Force, Pete Aldridge, to be the Chair of the Commission. (Applause.) Thank you for being here today, Pete. He has tremendous experience in the Department of Defense and the aerospace industry. He is going to begin this important work right away.

We'll invite other nations to share the challenges and opportunities of this new era of discovery. The vision I outline today is a journey, not a race, and I call on other nations to join us on this journey, in a spirit of cooperation and friendship.

Achieving these goals requires a long-term commitment. NASA's current five-year budget is $86 billion. Most of the funding we need for the new endeavors will come from reallocating $11 billion within that budget. We need some new resources, however. I will call upon Congress to increase NASA's budget by roughly a billion dollars, spread out over the next five years. This increase, along with refocusing of our space agency, is a solid beginning to meet the challenges and the goals we set today. It's only a beginning. Future funding decisions will be guided by the progress we make in achieving our goals.

We begin this venture knowing that space travel brings great risks. The loss of the Space Shuttle Columbia was less than one year ago. Since the beginning of our space program, America has lost 23 astronauts, and one astronaut from an allied nation -- men and women who believed in their mission and accepted the dangers. As one family member said, "The legacy of Columbia must carry on -- for the benefit of our children and yours." The Columbia's crew did not turn away from the challenge, and neither will we. (Applause.)

Mankind is drawn to the heavens for the same reason we were once drawn into unknown lands and across the open sea. We choose to explore space because doing so improves our lives, and lifts our national spirit. So let us continue the journey.

May God bless. (Applause.)

END 3:43 P.M. EST

 

It is a well know fact that the manned space program has be relegated to commercial ventures. Just do a little research, this is a porn forum, with a section for general discussion, it is not a peer reviewed science works nor is it a nationally syndicated news agency. Do your own work by proving me wrong.

That's what one does in an informal discussion, we state our opinions, who has the time or energy to link or cut & paste countless reams of data.

Hmmm, did I say that privatization of government programs was bad? In many cases, I really don't think that it is, including parts of NASA. My problem is that we lost enormous amounts of momentum because of poor planning in taking parts of NASA private. One thing is virtually indisputable, this administration is rife with people who are either grossly incompetent or in some other ways, very poor planners.

 

Thanks, Ten Guy. (And thanks, RidgeRunner!)

I am trying to be nice to Anon de Plume for once. I think he is starting to get it, but he doesn't like what he is finding. So he is lashing out.

"Conspiracy" is the common retort these days, for simple statements of fact. If you have the temerity to observe that something happened and express it, people go on the defensive and infer some malicious motive on your part.

Just for stating fact.

Notice that I am not trying to say why Obama unilaterally liquidated most of NASA. And I am not trying to say why Elon Musk is now using taxpayer funds to sell coal driven cars to rich people, to build giant battery factories that will be worse for the environment than gasoline, and is building giant solar farms in deserts on our dime which will never produce power more efficiently than the coal industry that the EPA is shutting down.

I am not even saying whether I think these are good or bad things. Nor have I speculated on how Obama and Elon Musk plan on allowing the rich people to charge their $90,000 Tesla Model S sedans, after they succeed in shutting down the entire coal industry, succeed in selling $30,000 coal driven Tesla shitboxes to the rest of us, and force us to endure daily rolling brownouts due to the chronic power shortages that will surely come when we go solar (as Germany is experiencing now). I am not looking ahead, as these geniuses in Washington should be doing as they drag us down the ruinous path of their Green Revolution.

All I am saying is that they have happened.

And most of all, Elon Musk has now announced that his taxpayer subsidized SpaceX company is going to lead the charge to the colonization of Mars.

And not coincidentally, he has also become a multibillionaire.

So, NASA is a looted shell, and an Obama crony gets rich.

On our dime.

Nice.

Is the looting good or bad? Beside the point. Is it Obama's fault? You decide.

But the facts are what they are. If you don't like them, close the newspaper and read DailyKos.