Who is to blame? Mom and Dad and the range. No one, especially a small child, need fire a completely automatic Uzi. It happened here in Arizona and Arizonan's are Gun Nuts. What a stupid thing to do.

 

This is from a NBC News piece, how fucking stupid can someone be?

A person commenting on the Burgers and Bullets website wrote:

“Great way to feel an adrenaline rush and be proud to be an American,” another post reads. “Shooting guns, riding monster trucks, some American history, and Burgers fries and a Coke.”

 

I myself was quite young when I first came into contact with guns. On the first few hunting trips I wasn't even allowed to touch the gun, let alone fire it. Not until I had demonstrated that I could be responsible. I then had to show I could be trusted to handle an air rifle safely, for what at the time seemed like ages. It was a gradual procession over many months before I got to fire a rifle and only a .22 at that. I can't conceive of a parent with love for their child that would endanger them by putting such a weapon into their inexperienced little hands, it just seems reckless.

I get the feeling that the person who made this thread sees this tragedy as a result of the government failing to force a ban on firearms on the people in American society. Rather than the poor judgement of parents, and idiotic nature of the instructor, who probably earned himself a Darwin award. Just because some people can't be trusted to make good decisions, doesn't mean society as a whole should be punished in return.

 

If a ban existed, would this have happened? No.

Doesn't mean the lack of a ban is at fault, but you can't argue that statement. On the other hand, given the large number of Americans killed each year in silly firearms accidents, and the fact that firearms serve no conceivable purpose other than to shoot bullets, there is no sane reason for not banning them. Cars are for driving, they kill people incidentally. Guns are FOR killing.

 

That's merely speculation. If a ban was in place, this could still have happened.

Racing cars serve no purpose other than for racing around a race track. American football players serve no purpose other than moving an inflatable ball around a field. Swimming pools serve no purpose other than to have people swim in them. They each kill people directly and indirectly. Like guns, they function as means of recreation and sport. If you can argue a case for guns to be banned, I could quite easily argue the case for swimming pools to be banned using the exact same logic.

 

What a completely IDIOTIC thing to say. Commercial swimming pools have a very very low fatality rate. At least in Aus, there are regulations that say that backyard pools must have fences and gates, so that small children can't fall in.

The difference is that US guns are basically unregulated. There have been a HUGE number of cases of kids picking up loaded guns, and shooting someone close to them by accident.

To be frank, guns in the US are an accident waiting to happen.

 

And most people pay attention to at least 3 of those. Sometimes 4.

 

In 2004, of all children 1-4 years old who died in the US, 26% died from drowning (CDC 2006). Fatal drowning remains the second-leading cause of unintentional injury-related death for children ages 1 to 14 years (CDC 2005). An estimated 5,000 children ages 14 and under are hospitalized due to unintentional drowning-related incidents each year; 15 percent die in the hospital and as many as 20 percent suffer severe, permanent neurological disability.

19% of drowning deaths involving children occur in public pools with certified lifeguards present.

A swimming pool is 14 times more likely than a motor vehicle to be involved in the death of a child age 4 and under.

http://www.poseidon-tech.com/us/statistics.html

If you have children, own a gun, and a backyard swimming pool, a child is roughly 100 times more likely to die from drowning in the pool, than killed by the gun

http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2001/07/27/levittpoolsvsguns/

 

We can argue whether automatic weapons should be outlawed. We can argue the right to own guys. I just want to know who in their fucking right mind EVER thinks it's okay to let a 9 year old fire an automatic weapon. That is wrong on so many levels. Pellet gun? Sure, teach her. But God damn, this child has just been scarred for life, a person lost the life he had, and the parents will probably sue. That's what this world has come to.

I hope I'm wrong. I hope she can go back to playing board games and reading books. I hope she is not bullied at school for what happened. And her name will get out. It always does.

Prayers for everyone involved.

 

This is simple the girl was 9 probably had no firearms training prior and some idiot put a weapon some fully grown men can't hold because of it's kick in her hands. This boils down to failure by the parents and the range for letting her even near a NFA weapon.

Oh BTW weapons like this are extremely hard and costly to own in the US. The paperwork is a nightmare, the weapon is expensive, and the Feds will charge you anywhere from $200 to $1,000 for some of these in tax stamps.

 

So, just for fun, what's your attitude on those high powered motorcycles; you know, the ones that will go 200 MPH and are street legal? The ones that aren't regulated because they are crotch rockets. Any idiot with the money can run out and buy one.
Just for fun.

 

You are so fucking wrong. Guns in the US are very regulated especially in recent decades.
I own guns, last week I was turned down for a permit to purchuse a hand gun(which I have already) just because I have a Rx for Xanax.
Other states have lax gun laws however in most cases people from other states connot purchuse a weapon accross state lines without going through a FFL. Which around here costs anywhere from $75 to $500 per transfer.

Just because we don't have socialist gun laws doesn't mean we are unregulated. In fact a lot of states require a class and test be passed to even own a hunting rifle.

 

magic you are beginning to irritate me with your undereducated bashing of the industry from which i derive a large part of my daily income
you have no basis on our laws and the availability of firearms in our country to even base your bullshit on yet you continue to use false rationale to determine that a nation that you have never lived in has a system of controls and laws that are irresponsible when it comes to potentially dangerous items
yet in austrailia you allow firearms for people that can show reason and still the rates of murder have not significantly shown that restrictions are helping
hell the government there even made it illegal to kill one of the most venomous snakes in the world!
most people that pay full price for a pistol or rifle are not easily willing to lose that weapon by being ignorant
would you give away $1200 just because you wanted to shoot a pistol?

 

What was a 9yo girl doing with a gun? and why was she not sufficiently supervised while it was loaded and in her hands?

 

You need to read the story it sounds like.

 

part of the reason that it happened to begin with is the dimwit voters of that state that refused to vote to force all firearms instructors to have to be certified and properly trained
the voters made it possible for any brain dead yokel to call themselves an instructor without the basic knowledge of do not stand beside or in front of the shooter
but then again the voters there thought that it was a good idea to think that the NRA was an honest group

and for the record for those who think our national weapons laws are unenforced go ask rick perry
he lost his right to own or buy a firearm since he is indicted for a felony
seems to me that if an honest(at least in this regard) owner gives his up as according to the laws it proves that our laws still hold water and it is the irresponsible and criminal that are the real issue
right now i feel sorry for this little girl because she is collecting ghosts way too young

 

If it is difficult for an adult to handle the Uzi recoil why da fuck would u think a little girl would be able to? what was the message here? Why even present such a weapon to a child?. Whether u r pro or anti gun this was tragedy was all the instructors fault and while I feel for his family and freinds, bottom line is HOW STUPID CAN U BE for fucks sake

 

um dude i will attempt to read your posts when you learn how to spell to at least a 5th grade level

 

shooting

he got what he deserved. Takes one mistake and away u go

 

um dude not sure if this comment is directed towards me, if it is, well dude, I don't really give a flying shit whether you do or not, I CHOOSE to write this way and anyone who uses " dude" in a sentence should not be firing the Uzi in a glass house

Cheers and peace all the same