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  1. Deleted User kekw

    Deleted User kekw Porn Star Banned!

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    Are you seriously equating endangered species with deer?

    You're a special kind of stupid.
     
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      Yeah , its a damn good job Asians don't know about squirrel tonsils and prairie dogs cocks
      :)
       
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      Won't somebody think of the pigeons!
       
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    4. Mayling
      Well what about the Unicorns. How could you possibly leave out the Unicorns ?
       
      Mayling, Nov 21, 2017
    5. slutwolf
      They not endangered
      with you lookin after them
       
      slutwolf, Nov 21, 2017
    6. Mayling
      Thank you because I really do try, I love the Unicorns. People want their horns, they are more valuable the rhinoceros horns because they are magical.
       
      Mayling, Nov 21, 2017
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  2. HisBabyGirl

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    What the actual fuck?????? Allowing the RICH to hunt for trophies ensures a habitat to grow those trophies? Did those words really come out of your mouth? That has to be one of the stupidest things I've ever read from you. It's okay to hunt the animal that we once protected by our policies, by allowing the wealthy to kill it. Dear Lord in Heaven, I think I need a beer.
     
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      I don't drink and I want a beer also. Maybe 2.
       
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  3. msman

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    It is easy to see you know nothing about hunting or even in wild animals.
    Why don't you go play with the other girls and let the men make the important decisions.
     
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      He's obviously too busy jacking off to comment. That or he realized how stupid his attempt at a chauvinistic insult was. I live in Wisconsin and learned how to use a gun when I was 12. My sister and I weren't treated any different than our brothers.
       
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      Why don't you go play with the other girls and let the men make the important decisions.
      my favorite statement of all time
      remember dipshit "men" have been making decisions all along and that is why we are such a pile of shit right now
      when the few make the rules that govern themselves as well as the masses they will make rules that favor themselves and not the masses
      we put these idiots in office to what it is we want them to do and instead they do what they are paid to do by their owners
       
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      Ridge, several people have tried many times to get you to understand that simple fact.
      You seem to understand that the other party is that way but this is the first time you have admitted your party is to blame also.
      Thanks
       
      msman, Nov 20, 2017
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      The simple fact is that you underestimated me. You tried to put me down and come off all high and mighty, when in fact, you came off looking like an ass. Your statement about the RICH being allowed to hunt and import these trophies, to give them a habitat that will grow goes down as the stupidest statement that could be written on this thread. Growing a habitat of dead animals. Oh my God, that is absolutely priceless! I don't thing even DL has ever said anything that idiotic!
       
      HisBabyGirl, Nov 20, 2017
    6. ridgerunner
      mamiss ive said all along that both sides are the same corrupted shit piles and have not done anything to blanket defend either one
      i have refuted peoples idiotic individual statements because they are so obviously based on conjecture and bullshit that they are just begging to be plucked of the bullshit tree
       
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    LOL
    some of the men are not making very good decisions .

    Insulting a woman for not agreeing with you is not really a very good decision either :)

    And I'm on the record already ,
    as not believing your espousing that what has worked in America , can be transposed to places like Africa and Asia , and applied to species like elephant's , rhino , giraffe , hippo , lemur , tiger , snow leopard , great apes , and so on.

    Clearly , quite a few around Washington don't either , and they're obviously not just Clinton supporters ,
    whom trump would just deride and ignore.
     
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    It really does not matter if you agree with me or not. It is already being done. You will have to cry and complain to the people who are already doing it.
    It doesn't matter if they are a Trump supporter or A Clinton supporter. People who hunt, people with knowledge of wild animals already know what will work and what is just bullshit. Why not go to them with all of your knowledge?
     
    1. slutwolf
      Did you forget I already agreed that it is being done , and can work for some species.
      But it is not applicable to most of the most endangered ,
      in my opinion , and obviously many others.
      If it was , why are they endangered after over a century of hunting ?
      According to your solution , they should be thriving.

      What works in the US , doesn't nescassarily relate or apply to Africa and Asia.

      There is another solution also , which can apply to a few species ,
      and is already in practice ,
      farming them.
      But it also has limited application.
      Crocodiles being the obvious success.
      They are already being reintroduced on a trial basis ,
      and , being farmed , are now at no risk of extinction.

      I imagine rhino farming would be a lot of fun
      I'm just gona hop into my Sherman tank and go round up the rhino for pregnancy testing :)
       
      slutwolf, Nov 19, 2017
    2. msman
      I agree it will not work with all species but trophy hunters are not interested in many different species.
      No one wins when a poacher takes an animal except the poacher. When a trophy hunter takes an animals many people benefit from it.
      That doesn't make it any different, a dead animal is still a dead animal. Poachers are takers only. Hinters give back in many ways and want to have trophy animals to hunt for ever.
      Habitat is really the biggest problem with declines in many species. Poachers do not care about habitat. They will burn an area to make it possible to kill more animals. Hunters will spend large amounts of money building a habitat that will produce more animals.
      Where it is does not matter much ad neither does the species. It is all basically the same.

      Farming is the name given to the idea I have been trying to explain. Rhinos are farmed just like elephants, big cats, and many other species.
      Have you ever heard of anyone pregnancy testing a crocodile?
       
      msman, Nov 19, 2017
    3. HisBabyGirl
      And when are you going to get a clue that this is not about hunting or controlling populations. The issue is trophy hunters and the protection of herds in Africa. Jesus, do try to keep.
       
      HisBabyGirl, Nov 19, 2017
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  6. slutwolf

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    Where can I go to buy farmed elephant meat , or tusks , or hide ,
    or any part of a "farmed" elephant ?
    or rhino ?

    or are you interpreting conservation and protection efforts as "farming"

    I guess you could say they've been farming the Serengeti for over half a century ,
    but we still have many endangered species.
    It seems to work about as well as over a century of hunting has , but it certainly has a lot more merit.

    Trouble is , you have to farm an elephant for 15 to 17 years to get your first offspring , who may reproduce in another 15 to 17 years ,
    by which time , mum might have two more calves.
    So if you are going to farm them , you better be in for the long haul , and you'd better be successful ,
    because if you've failed by the end of your life (by which time your original mum/cow might have produced 5 or 6 calves , half bulls) , there may not be any replacement stock.

    Basically we need to do much better , and that mostly means hunting poachers much better ,
    and , closing down the markets.

    Now of course , IF all the great white hunters actually lived in the bush , and on the savanna , for the past fifty years
    (and weren't racist) , that might have been a different matter.
    They could have spent their spare time hunting poachers also :)

    But they didn't ,
    and we don't have another 50 years to experiment.

    Poachers and traffickers etc. should be treated as terrorists , and hunted down and eliminated the same , with utter ruthlessness.
    There's plenty of spare humans , but no spare endangered animals.
     
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    You can buy a hunt to kill a farmed rhino or elephant. It isn't hard to find a hunt for them. Getting the parts into the U.S. is hard to do.
    No, I mean farming in a different way than you are thinking of. Many large landowners in Africa will have different species of animals living on their property. Many have property backing up to game preserves. Since animals do nor recognize property lines they come and go from the preserve to the private property. While on private property they are not protected and the land owners see them as a danger to their livestock and they use water and grazing the livestock could use. Property owners would kill the wild animals.to protect their livestock and to protect the water and food. Many times they welcomed the poachers.
    With this new "farming" method the landowner is allowed to sell private hunts on selected species and selected animals on their property. The property owners work with the game preserve to select the older non breeding animals for their hunts. They are paid very well for these hunts. In this way they will have another income that will depend on them protecting the wild animals. The land owners do not kill the animals and protect them from poachers. It is a win for the game preserves, the land owners, and the hunters.

    What you are not understanding is that the animals would be going onto private owned property anyway. In the past they have been killed by the land owners and poachers.
    With this agreement between the land owners and the game preserve the animals are not killed. They are allowed to live and multiply on private property. It is like adding more land to the preserves at no cost. The animals killed will be the older non breeding animals chosen by the preserve.

    Most people do not know of this arrangement between land owners and preserves. They do not understand that it will mean more room for animals and money for the land owners and the cost will be paid by the hunters. All species of animals have a certain number of years that they are able to produce young. After that time they do not produce anymore young. They are still there until something kills them or they slowly starve to death or die from disease. This agreement lets the hunters kill non producing animals. The hunters pay a lot of money. It is a way for everyone to win.
     
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    I know all that ,
    Remember
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    Did you forget I already agreed that it is being done , and can work for some species.
    But it is not applicable to most of the most endangered ,
    in my opinion , and obviously many others.
    If it was , why are they endangered after over a century of hunting ?
    According to your solution , they should be thriving.

    I've read about it , watched the programs and documentaries , for years ,
    and for years , and still , the endangered populations are declining.

    Were just going round in circles.
    I just basically disagree with you , I'll leave it there
     
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  9. msman

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    This is a different type of hunting. In the years before the animals had to contend with poachers, hunters, and land owners.
    With this type of arrangement the animals do not have to worry about the land owners or the hunters and the poachers are limited.
    The land owners who once killed the animals now protect them. The hunters that used to kill any animal they chose are limited to killing the non breeding older animals and letting the breeding age animals live. The land owners, hunters, and conservationist all work to limit the poaching.
    It should be easy to understand. The breeding animals are allowed to live not only on the preserve but also the lands joining the preserve.

    That is about as simple as I can put it. In the end it doesn't make a fuck if you agree or not. They are going to continue doing what is working. They will not be asking you for your permission to do a damn thing.
     
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    I think this is the first time somebody tried to tell me there are endangered elephant and rhino farms. Repopulation efforts are not "farms". These are ENDANGERED SPECIES. There are multiple species of rhino that have less than 100 to go before they're extinct.

    And you think there's farms.....or did you mistake a zoo for a farm?
     
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    Do you understand the concept of an endangered animal?
     
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    The fucking poachers are killing ever day. I don't like trophy hunting in Africa but it is a extremely small fraction of the animals killed by poachers. They should be shot on sight.
     
    1. slutwolf
      I totally agree.
      If you saw my post , #26 above , you'll know how I feel about poachers.
      Show No mercy.

      The trouble is hunting can not increase numbers ,
      and to many populations can not afford to loose even small numbers , so in my opinion , to avoid corruption and ambiguity , no import or export of trophies should be allowed.

      After all , over millennia , nature has sorted out the order of things .
      It is not for us greedy humans to decide ,
      and we have done so much damage , and failed so miserably ,
      it's a bit late to dream up excuses to carry on with failed reasoning in places to at risk for continuing old habits.
       
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    What years was Obama president? I keep forgetting.

    ...
    The number of elephants in the wild plummeted 30% overall between 2007 and 2014, despite large scale conservation efforts. In some places it has dropped more than 75%
     
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    Early estimates were that there was 15 million in the 1500's

    1913 - The U.S. is consuming two hundred tons of ivory per year. The African elephant population has dropped to an estimated 10 million. Learn more

    1950s – Elephant slaughter begins to drastically increase with estimates that 250 elephants are killed every day. The increase correlates with many African regions gaining independence from colonial rule.

    1973 - The Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora (CITES) is agreed to on March 3, 1973.

    1973 - The Endangered Species Actis signed into law on December 28, 1973, becoming immediately effective.

    1977 - The African elephant is listed on CITES. International trade for commercial purposes continues; the international African ivory trade is regulated by CITES. Learn more

    1978 - The African elephant is listed as threatened under the Endangered Species Act. A “special rule” allows for the commercial ivory trade to continue, including for the import and sale of African elephant ivory. Learn more

    Population down to 1.3 million 1979
    1979 – Elephant population is reported at 1.3 million according to the results of the first Pan-Africa elephant survey led by Dr. Iain Douglas-Hamilton.

    Down by another half , 650,000 in ten years

    1988 - After ten years it becomes clear that the supposedly well-regulated international trade of African elephant ivory is a failure. The African elephant population has been cut by more than half in 10 years. Learn more

    Yep , Obamas fault for sure
     
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      I didn't say it was Obama's fault. I just like to piss off a few democrats every once in a while.
       
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    1. msman
      Don't you think what has been done in the past has not worked?
      Maybe it is time to try something else.
       
      msman, Nov 21, 2017
    2. slutwolf
      See post #41 for reply

      Short answer

      What is new about hunting ?

      It has already failed ,
      for about 200 years.
       
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    I'm just gonna post your comment here:


    So the last 3 northern white rhinos under constant armed guard aren't endangered. Good to know.


    Fucking moron.
     
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    So are you advocating for hunting them or not? You can't bitch about declining numbers while saying we should shoot the shit out of them. What's wrong with you?
     
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    OH dear

    You clearly didn't read my thread starter (this thread) ,
    or my posts through it ,
    Or ,
    Mayling's comment about unicorns , to which that last comment was made ,
    about them being not endangered.

    LMAO

    a lesson in context :)
     
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    My bad, I meant to quote this

    So I'll post the same question


    Also I'll point to my posts and comments here. My apologies, slutwolf
     
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    1. slutwolf
      Lol , so you had two separate goes at me by mistake ?

      You even called me a moron in the first :)

      Bad hair day is it
       
      slutwolf, Nov 21, 2017
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      Turns out your satire isn't far from msmans normal posts
       
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    3. slutwolf
      Lol , it's OK , just wanted to get the record straight.
      The whole point of this thread , is I am opposed to trophy hunting endangered species ,
      and totally against allowing trophies to be exported or imported , anywhere.
       
      slutwolf, Nov 21, 2017
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      Yeah, me too. You can check out the post below. I called myself out and doubly apologized.
       
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    My apologies. In my haste in responding to a large amount of posts and an even larger number of comments, I thought this was a serious one by msman. I get over 50 notifications to respond to per day.
     
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