God.. I wish you would take me off of ignore or respond to me you cowardly lion.

 

Do you even have a vague idea what that song is about......I would say absolutely not.

 

The shit would have been on your face if you did post the vid.

The shit is in your face for even contemplating posting it in the first place because of the title.

 

These terrible fires are horrendous, hopefully, we learn from them. https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckd...ut-not-in-the-way-they-tell-us/#5ae00b9f70afe

 

Bad management includes building residential communities in areas that have experienced devastating fires for centuries, all for the sake of “being” with nature. Guess what? Nature usually will win.

That being said the loss of life and human suffering is tragic.

 

Stop.

Stop.

Do your whole “Guess they had it coming” bullshit sideshow somewhere else.

Jeeeeeezus.

 

I did until someone decided to make a statement that it wasn’t mismanagement.

You liked OT’s post that said almost the same thing, why the hell are we building communities in those areas without proper management of the woodlands?

 

The death toll is up to 44 this morning, with hundreds missing. And about the only way they are going to be able to identify a lot of the victims is with DNA which could take a while.

I see some progress on some of the fires but they are fearing the winds will pick up again. And the poor firefighters and first responders are exhausted and still trying to keep up the fight.

So this is a time we need to be all pulling together. Because next time nature strikes it could be us.

 

@stumbler not going there right now, in the middle of being discharged from the hospital

 

It is so utterly tragic mankind either cannot or will not learn from history. It has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with using logic. Or in other terms common sense.

 

You can lead a horse to water but...

 

I take it that is in reference to Donie Bonespurs bullshit tweet about bad management being the cause?

https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2018/11/12/science/ap-us-sci-science-says-california-wildfires.html
Scientists: Wind, Drought Worsen Fires, Not Bad Management

Sanity_is_Relative, Today at 9:50 AM

Jesus
Take the politics out of your ears for once and read the damn article.

......But, fire suppression efforts continued. The result was accurately forecast by my forest management industry hosts in Siskiyou County in 2005: larger, more devastating fires—fires so hot that they sterilized the soil, making regrowth difficult and altering the landscape. More importantly, fires that increasingly threatened lives and homes as they became hotter and more difficult to bring under control.​

The issue was summarized by the Western Governors’ Association in their 2006 Biomass Task Force Report which noted:

…over time the fire-prone forests that were not thinned, burn in uncharacteristically destructive wildfires, and the resulting loss of forest carbon is much greater than would occur if the forest had been thinned before fire moved through. …failing to thin leads to a greater greenhouse gas burden than the thinning created in the first place, and that doesn’t even account for the avoided fossil fuel greenhouse gas emissions due to the production of energy from the forest thinnings. In the long term, leaving forests overgrown and prone to unnaturally destructive wildfires means there will be significantly less biomass on the ground, and more greenhouse gases in the atmosphere.

The Sacramento Bee editorial concludes with a stark warning: “California must plan now for these and other aspects of global warming, as more of the state becomes too hot, too dry, or too fire- or flood-prone to safely live in, and as more of the world braces for the era of climate refugees.”
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Now, Sanity is relative, without making reference to politics, or thinking "yeah but Trump" read the damn article. Then consider;

These fires are devastating and the loss of life and property is a tragedy. Asking the question why, even as the fires are fought and the dead counted, is proper and necessary.

Otherwise, we see more deadly fast moving fires, and still don't know why or what to do about them.

 

Utility emailed woman about problems 1 day before fire

PULGA, Calif. (AP) — A day before a deadly blaze destroyed a California town, the giant utility Pacific Gas & Electric Co. got in touch with Betsy Ann Cowley, saying they needed access to her property because their power lines were causing sparks.

The cause of the fire is still under investigation. What is known is that it started Thursday near Cowley's property in the tiny town of Pulga, incinerated the neighboring town of Paradise and killed at least 42 people.

On Monday, fire investigators declared the area surrounding power lines on Cowley's property, in an oak-filled canyon, a crime scene. Security guards would not let PG&E inspectors pass.

Cowley said she was on vacation last Wednesday when she got a surprise email from PG&E. Details of that exchange, described to The Associated Press, combined with the utility's track record in California wildfire history has again brought the company under scrutiny.

The email said that crews needed to come to her property to work on the high-power lines, Cowley said. PG&E told her "they were having problems with sparks," she said. They visited her property but she said she wasn't there Wednesday and was not aware of their findings.

Cowley was back at the property Monday and expressed gratitude at finding most of the 65 structures on it still standing, just a few hundred feet from the crime scene where investigators worked to determine what had happened to spark the massive fire.

The former landscaper bought Pulga, an abandoned and decrepit historic gold prospecting town, in 2015 and embarked on a project that transformed it into a picturesque private destination. She cleared overgrown brush, patched up buildings and added new ones. With Bay Area artists and architects, she recreated a town, complete with a stage and school house. And then, a year ago, she opened for business, renting out Pulga for corporate retreats.

As she reached the site of her own home, she raised her hand to her cheek.

"It's gone," she said. 'That's where all my stuff was, but it's not there anymore."

She paused and picked up a mug that somehow had survived the inferno. "It's OK," Cowley told herself quietly. "It's OK."

PG&E declined to discuss the email it sent Cowley with AP, saying it has provided an "initial electric incident report" with state regulators and will fully cooperate with any investigations.

Publicly, PG&E has said it experienced a problem on an electrical transmission line near the site of the massive fire, minutes before the blaze broke out.

In its Friday filing to the state Public Utilities Commission, it said it had detected an outage on an electrical transmission line near the site of the blaze. It said a subsequent aerial inspection detected damage to a transmission tower on the line.

The area where CalFire says the blaze started, and where PG&E says sparks were detected on Cowley's property is roughly the same, according to an AP reporter at the site.

The utility, which has been criticized and sued in a number of other large and deadly fires across California, had announced before the blaze started that it might shut down power in nine counties, including Butte County where Pulga and Paradise are, because of extreme fire danger. But it never did.

Later Thursday, PG&E said it had decided against a power cut because weather conditions did not warrant one.

State Sen. Jerry Hill, a Redwood City Democrat and longtime critic of the utility, called the report of troubles on PG&E's lines in the area extremely worrisome.

"If PG&E is found responsible for burning down the state again, at some point we have to say enough is enough and we have to ask should this company be allowed to do business in California?" Hill said. "These fires take a spark, and at least in the last few years fires have been caused by negligent behavior by PG&E. We need to see how we can hold them responsible, or look at alternative way of doing business."

California utility regulators are working with CalFire staff on their own, separate investigation into whether PG&E complied with state rules and regulations in areas that were torched in the fire.

The California Public Utilities Commission will be evaluating PG&E's maintenance of their facilities, vegetation management and emergency preparedness and response, said commission spokeswoman Terrie Prosper.

This is not the first time PG&E's management practices have come under question in the drought-stricken state.

In 2014, regulators ordered the state's investor-owned utilities to set priorities for inspecting and removing dead and sick trees near their power lines, warning that "climate change has facilitated and exacerbated numerous wildfires" that have damaged and threatened their facilities.

But after a wildfire killed two people, destroyed 475 homes and scorched 70,000 acres in the Sierra Nevada foothills the following year, homeowners and their attorneys questioned whether PG&E had done enough to clear dry trees flanking its power lines. In 2016, Cal Fire ultimately found PG&E was responsible for that fire, after tree maintenance by PG&E and its contractors led to a tree falling on a power line.

Investigators have determined that PG&E equipment started several of the 2017 wildfires in Northern California wine country that killed 44 people. The company says it expects to pay more than $2.5 billion.

 

@stumbler @submissivelyspeaking
Okay, this thread was derailed by stumbles, when he posted a response to post #43. Which you, Ms Sub, jumped right in with a like, so don’t lecture me on politicizing the thread. And numbnuts, stumbles, it ain’t about you or me, it’s about yet another set of wildfires that has claimed many lives, both human and animal, injured or made homeless thousands more.

This has been going on for decades, or as Old Tool so aptly stated “have been happening for thousands of years”, in another post liked by Ms Sub.

This is gross mismanagement of the woodlands, inadequate fire stops, 200’ is way too small. Approving communities of thousands of dwelling in these areas without adequate fire protection should be criminal.

Now Ms Sub, why did you “like” stumbles derail and climb my frame for replying to him? m

 

I remember the cause of previous fires being PG&E. And while it doesn't really make a shit, I would not feel as bad if it was PG&E as I would if it was some careless camper/hunter or worse an arsonist. Because there are some sick fucks that do things like that on purpose. But lots of times its lightening which no one can prevent. And since there are multiple fires I think it is most likely multiple causes.

And I mentioned in an earlier post about watching a fire break over a mountain top while we were in a canyon and said even as fast as it was moving we were in no danger. And we weren't because there are no trees on that side of the canyon because there is a railroad through it and about every summer sparks from the wheels start fires and keep all the trees burned off. So industry does take its toll.

 

What a fucking waste of space, not only does SiR C&P long article about PG&E (which could have been shortened to a couple of paragraphs), stumbles replies by copying it all over again. C’mon guys, it’s about the humanity, not about your word count.