Trump didn’t post it here, stumbles did. Not understanding your logic here.

 

JPT started the Trump talk. FFS will you drop it?

 

When you do, JPT is irrelevan stumbles posted to the UncleB71

 

Well fuck, you got me there. He is totally irrelevant.

Nice edit, sneaky.

Stumbles answered to the other guy, who was talking to JPT and presumably PiB and the others, telling them to shut the fuck up about politics, functionally telling them until they'd lost everything they didn't know their ass from page 1.

Which, he was right. You should take his advice.

 

Honestly, I was talking to all the political hacks here from either side. JPT is an asshole, and Stumbler is so full of hate that he can't see straight, and the idiots from the right, and the left only want to see political gain from this. The fact remains that I have nine relatives that have lost their homes, and all these fucking idiots don't see that fire doesn't care what political party you believe in.

 

The last I heard, Camp Fire was 35% contained. They say it will take rain to completely put it out. Something like 48 casualties so far and I believe there were down to dozens being missing now instead of hundreds. I guess you say that's good news.... not sure.
The wind has died down so that' good for the firefighters. It's bad for the valley though as the smoke has nowhere to go and there are big pockets of unhealthy air. We're staying indoors again today.
Hopefully this high pressure system will lift so we can get some rain. It's been a long time.

 

Camp Fire in Butte County:

http://cdfdata.fire.ca.gov/admin8327985/cdf/images/incidentfile2277_4226.pdf

TL; DR = some humidity returns this evening, and progress expected on containment overnight and into Thursday

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Woolsey Fire in Malibu:

http://cdfdata.fire.ca.gov/admin8327985/cdf/images/incidentfile2282_4229.pdf

TL; DR = Santa Ana winds finally relenting today, containment expected to go over 50%

 

Thanks @Old Tool and @Rixer. The fucking national news is just confusing.

 

I had heard the missing count was in the dozens but apparently that was wrong. They are now in fact saying over 600 missing and 63 confirmed deaths but the numbers will surley go up. They have special dna coroners there now as many remains are unrecognizable.
Here's a clip from channel 10.
11:30 p.m. Update:

At least 63 are now dead from a Northern California wildfire, and officials say they have a missing persons list with 631 names on it in an ever-evolving accounting of the missing after the nation's deadliest wildfire in a century.

https://www.abc10.com/article/news/...ed-dead-631-now-missing-updates/103-614875144

 

Thanks @Rixer. And I did just hear a report it might not be as bad as it sounds because the list is now more comprehensive and people are scattered so far and wide they might not even know their name is on the list.

But still the 60+ confirmed dead just boggles my mind and breaks my heart.

 

Again thanks @Rixer. And for the life of me I cannot understand why the national coverage is so useless. But it is probably because they are addicted to 30 second sound bites and they need to spend about a half hour to accurately report what is going on.

And I really wish they would just shut the fuck up about Trump and the Democrats long enough to do that. Because what is happening out there right now is way more important.

 

I think the mudslide/landlide risk increases substantially when the canopy and ground cover cease to exist, so both things could be right.

However, all the media seems to want to ever do is to hype potential danger and to scare people more.

 

Don't you remember earlier on in the year when Paradise was first attacked by fires, then it did rain afterwards which resulted in devastating mudslides.

Well I suppose the news are speculating that there's a chance that it may happen again.

 

It does happen a lot that we get mudslides in areas where the vegetation has been decimated by fire. It impacts a lot of people in So. Cal where the hills are densely populated with homes.

 

We have been to LA a couple times to go to Disneyland and pretty much driven the length of California so I know exactly what you are talking about. But if I had to choose between mudslides and fire I guess I would take my chances on he mudslides just as long as there was enough rain to put out the fires.

But OMG I wish you folks in California would get some good news. These fires are kind of bothering me and I can't hardly imagine what it is doing to you.

 

too soon

 

Makes my tummy ache, thinking about everyone. Three missing person call lines, plus another for pets and pet rescue.

 

Talked on the phone with a friend who was evacuated from the Tubbs Fire in Sonoma last year. He now lives outside of Chico and has been evacuated again. He is grateful that he and his clan are safe, but is rattled like I have never seen before. Very hard to watch, all of this

 

Oh gosh. That’s PTSD-inducing. So awful.

 

There are a handful of other unincorporated "towns" nearby that have been utterly destroyed, the largest of which is Magalia, pop approx 11,000 - which accounts for most of the missing persons on the current list. If you look on the map, you can see where they managed to stop the progress of the fire on the eastern edge of Chico, but last night it jumped parts of Highway 99, so the Fire crews are focused on ensuring it doesn't make its way up from the south. Luckily, and I use that term loosely, the un-contained portion of the fire is headed east and NE, away from densely populated areas, but into steeper and harder to reach terrain. Unless we get a more significant weather break, it could burn for a long time into the Plumas National Forest.

 

As I said before I have at least been to Chico so could relate to that. And anyplace that has 11,000 people in it is a city not a town out where I live.

But the strategy is about the same for forest fires in actual forests. They concentrate on trying to save structures and towns but a lot of times if its just the forest they pretty much let it burn. A couple years ago they had a fire that started in the summer and kept burning in places until the snow finally hit in the fall.

I hope you folks do get some luck out there @Old Tool but know you can't count on it.

 

Because “forest care” is not the problem

This is a classic case of using terms and jargon that does nothing to fix the problem, yet alone even understand the problem.

 

In this case keeping the undergrowth in control would of made bugger all difference when the wind was the problem.....and I'm sure donnie's minders would have told him that, but oh no, donnie knows better than anyone, after all he's an expert on everything.

Tree top fires driven by extreme wind is an impossible fire to fight.

 

Absolutely it's criminal.

In my home state of Victoria after the devastating fires of 2009 the building regs were changed for new dwellings in bushfire prone areas.

For the older homes many owners have retro fitted sprinkler systems that will cover the house in a fine mist......others have installed metal window shutters to inhibit the ember attack.

There must also be a clear area of at least 10 yards between the house and the bush.

I can't imagine the cost of insuring a house in a fire prone area if it didn't meet the new rules.

Like Victoria did I hope California learns from these devastating fires.

 

Me too, but I really doubt it will.

 

You take pictures of trees?

 

I'll relay the message to the governor. Thanks for your concern.

 

Our woods would burn almost every year till they started doing this . But Your state is so vast it would take some very good planning to do there.

 

Even I know that New Jersey and Californian fires are two completely different beasts.

The Californian fires are driven by a ferocious wind, the Santa Anna. Once the fires gets going in extreme winds the seat of the fire moves to the tree-tops and once it's up there the fire creates its own weather patterns and you get ember attacks up to 15 - 20 miles in front of the fire.

Also looking at those pics that burn off was too hot, it given the undergrowth a scorched earth look, it needed a cool burn and not a hard burn

A cool burn is a slow moving fire that removes the undergrowth without burning and destroying the seeds that lie just below the surface.

It's a practice of fire control that Australian aborigines have been using for thousands of years and are now teaching other indigenous peoples around the world.