This day 75 years ago in ww2 Russian army broke the blockade of the city of Leningrad. It lasted 900 days and nights. Nearly 500.000 citizen of city died of bombs, hunger and cold. But they withstood and didnt surrender. They had 150 gramm of bread a day. There were no cats or rats left.But ppl kept on fightin and producin arms, plants were put underground. Ppl fought and died in sercumstances of great personal gallantry.Cause it was their only land and there was no way to go. They knew they were doomed, Hitler wanted to flood that city and kill all its ppl.

 

and don't forget the cannibalism practiced by the inhabitants and the incompetence of the Stalin's military in allowing the Germans to get to Lenningrad in the first place.

 

Большое спасибо. За здоровье!

 

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Noonefamous offers more proof that it is best to avoid negative people.
They can always find a problem to any solution.

Russia's role in WWII has often been overshadowed by the Cold War that followed.
Whatever has come to pass since WWII, in WWII Russia was an ally and sacrificed much to defeat the Axis powers.

 

It's always good to give credit to valiant soldiers for their sacrifices, but in the case of Leningrad, a lot of the sacrifice would not have been necessary, if not for Stalin's purges if the 30's gutted the Red Army and left the Soviet Union totally unprepared for the German invasion.

 

Interesting no doubt. But the war turned on Hitler being a meth addict who like any tweaker got hung up on the name of a city called Stalingrad. Hitler was just bent on taking Stalingrad but at the same time was headed for what he needed more than anything else; oil in in the Caucasus. And he probably could have achieved it. But Stalingrad had refused to fall. And so he gave up on the oilfields and diverted his resources to take that stubborn city. And then gave orders not to retreat. And the fighting wasn't even house to house by then. It was rubble pile to rubble pile. And then as in many times in Russian history the Russian winter came to their aid. The German troops were totally unprepared to even survive the cold let alone getting the food, ammunition, and meth they needed. While the Russians were and used the frozen river to get food and reinforcements in. And that did two things. One it gave Stalin a chance to get his shit to together and pull an army from the Chinese border, get millions of more Soviets in the army and re-arm with US help and get ready to launch a counter attack. And two because Hitler would not let the army at Stalingrad retreat they eventually had to surrender.

And one thing that will let you know just how good a guy Stalin and the Russians were the estimates vary. Somewhere between 90,000 or more German troops surrendered at Stalingrad. But no matter how many actually surrendered the figure that is solid is only about 10,000 ever returned to Germany.

And hey do you want to talk about the more than 2 million German women and girls who got raped when Berlin fell. You know because the Russians deserved a chance to "celebrate"?

 

@stumbler, as I was reading your account of Hitler being so obsessed to wipe the namesake of Stalin of the face of the earth, I think of Trump's reversal of Obama's policies as he forsakes easier achievement such as infrastructure.. Megalomaniacs with power..

WWII was an acute example of blood lusts revenge.

 

Good call. And if you have ever studied the rise of Hitler and the Nazis to power it is actually terrifying to know all the little steps they took and seeing the same things happening here right now.

But I am watching chaos right now. They are 18 minutes from a government shut down, they failed a cloture vote and right now nobody knows what is going to happen because they are still holding the vote open.

Desperate and dangerous times in deed. But mighty interesting.

 

Imagine if Germany had honoured the non-aggression pact signed with Russia before the war.
Run some scenarios through your mind and what could easily have been the outcome.
If the German war machine had been lead by a competent Field Marshall of which they had many and not a paperhanging Corperal.
Who knows maybe reality TV star with bad feet knows better than the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Commander and Chief. LOL.

 

No.

You need to get some perspective if you're trying to compare this to the Nazis.

The militant arm of the Nazis came into existence during the wars and infighting after Germany's monarchy fell. They were engaged in literal street warfare for a decade before the political and monied arm of the Nazis came to power. The Nazi Party had power in literally every level of society, and was an official party that Hitler took over and renamed from the German Workers Party, if memory serves correctly.

The only situation in American history that is the least bit comparable is the KKK during Reconstruction.

 

Exactly!! With the help of apologists and legacy heirs for their provocative rhetoric...

 

The contribution of the Soviet Union to the defeat of the Nazis is often overlooked, particularly in the West. They did the heavy-lifting. By far the greatest losses inflicted on the forces of fascist Germany were done by the brave men and women of the USSR.

At the going down of the sun, and in the morning, we will remember them.

 

On #RealTimeWithBillMaher , #LarryWilmore alluded to what #David_n_LouiseTurpin did to their kids like @realDonaldTrump is doing to the #GOP..
More like to the #USA!

 

Yes but my point is that in every one of those situations, there was a void created by an established government being overthrown in some way. That wasn't the case in the Civil War, obviously, but it was the closest we've come to it.

 

This is exactly right. It was insanity for Hitler to invade the Soviet Union and anyone who knew anything tried to tell Hitler he could not fight on two fronts. But he didn't listen. And what was so insane about that is he had Stalin neutralized. He would have been more than happy to let Hitler take over the rest of the world just as long as he left the Soviet Union alone. And some of the accounts I have seen say Stalin was so stunned by Hitler reneging on their agreement he was worthless for days and couldn't even respond. And your great point is if Hitler had not invaded the Soviet Union when he did the war might have had a completely different outcome.

 

No I think you need to open your eyes. We have neo-Nazis, the KKK, White Supremacists, and the alt right in the streets right now trying to create just as much chaos and violence as they can. We have hundreds of thousands of protesters marching in the streets right now.

Another thing we have going on right now is just like Hitler and the Nazis we have Trump and the Republicans attacking every aspect of our government, sabotaging it so it barely functions, and undermining confidence and trust in the government in every way the possibly can. Just like shutting down the government right now. They want the government to fail just like Hitler and the Nazis.

Also Hitler and the Nazis were great at shutting down a free press so the only information people got was official Nazi propaganda. And we see Trump trying to do that every day. He is constantly attacking the free press while at the same time always promoting things that preach his false propaganda like Fox News and the alt right sites and people he retweets. We also see Trump calling for things like changing the libel laws so news media cannot criticize him. And of course using the courts to try and attack anyone who even writes unflattering things about him.

Then there is also trying to use the entire government to cover up for Trump while at the same time attacking his political opponents and rivals. Which is also right out of Hitlers play book

And finally of course just like Hitler Trump is telling the American people he alone can fix all these problems if they will just concede all power to him. That is one of his constant themes and just like the people of Germany Trump's supporters just blindly support everything he is doing as we move towards dictatorship.

 

Stumbler, I would bet that you have literally never been in the streets in your life. Neo Nazis would have to bring full military gear to take them over. People carry AKs every single day in places. They have squads of shooters on payroll. The people you refer to are just punks causing a ruckus in very public places with people who really aren't built like that.

There are no doubt right wing hate groups trained like military that would welcome war but most people are too pussy to ever do anything like that. They do things knowing full well they get to go home to their creature comforts at night.

The situations are not even remotely comparable. They would only be if Trump was overthrown and some provisonary government used the right wing groups as an unofficial army to quell uprisings.

 

Let me point out something to you here. I gave you multiple examples of how Trump and the Republicans are doing the same things Hitler and the Nazis did. And you want to debate one very debatable point. Which is the same kind of myopic view many Germans had. And that is how they missed the bigger picture.