Fucking what?
So a drunk girl sais fuck me, I do, and I'm a rapist?
How about I say yes while high and she fucks me... Can she be brought up on charges as well?

If drinking excessive amounts of alcohol makes you want sex and regret it in the morning, maybe you should take it down just a notch. (I assume we're not talking passed out drunk)

I am against all forms of violence. Rape is horrific. But claiming drunk sex as rape is just fucking insane. And even wors - it dismisses the horror victims of actual rape suffer.

And P.S. The drunk man's wallet was stolen. He didn't give it away.

 

Don't think I have ever seen so much bold print in a thread before ... deep breath people.

Your argument doesn't become any more convincing just because we can read it better ...

 

You make a compelling argument however it's no secret that thinking with the smaller head when it comes to intoxicated women never works out well.

If a woman has been drinking, simply steer clear, self control is really not that difficult for some of us ...

 

Bullshit. Sorry.
How about some self control on your drinking then? Some of us can actualy not drink or smoke our heads off to the point of not grasping the reality of what is happening around. I can sure as hell make a decision if I wanna get fucked or not while a little tipsy. Once again - I assume we're talking "can still muster a sentence" drunk.

How about when both are drunk? Do they rape each other then?

People make shitty decisions all the time. Both drunk and sober. A no is a no and a yes is a yes. A few shots doesn't chage that.

 

Many are insisting on calling two people fucking under the influence rape, but that only one is held responsible is my point and I understand is the sign of the times that's why so many of you have used phrases like "taken advantage of?" Which could be just as aptly applied to the man when this woman makes her intention known that she "wants him" I never implied "A woman passed out, falling down drunk or intentionally drugged" as a matter of fact I made very clear. So even though the law may say that two intoxicated people should never have sex under such conditions even if both agree, we're allowing the government to mandate our rights of personal choice and responsibility.

Making one of the participants more responsible in a situation where they should be held equally responsible for their actions that led to the sex that followed sends a message to all women that having a few drinks or "partying" even with the initial intention of "hooking up" with someone for the night which is quite common. Can be done recklessly with wild abandon in how you approach men because in the end, when you've sobered up everything you said, did and agreed to (at that time) is legally not your fault your a girl. Does this sound like an empowerment to all woman or another way of putting a woman in her rightful place?

I realize this is a "Devil's advocate" view but just maybe we should be teaching our girls how to responsibly behave for their own security and to accept the choices they make even if they are the wrong ones?

 

This is an interesting idea.

Suppose a man is not inebriated, but is struck from behind, and then his wallet is taken. He failed to defend himself from the attack an thus is to blame for his loss. The only question remaining would be, can the government prosecute the thief if he fails to declare the theft on his income tax?

This can go on forever. A burglar pleads not guilty by reason of the locks were too easy to pick. An arsonist is not guilty by reason of the building was not equipped with sprinklers. A rapist is not guilty by reason of she was not bigger and stronger than me.

 

Okay, so now there's this fucking thread, and another one asking if rape should be legal.

What the fuck is going on?

 

Toxic thread!!

Thinskin

 

O feel free to leave your wallet on the table
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...and come back for it later.
Thanks!

 

This thread went south.

 

Guys, If you can't control your urges while drinking in the presence of scantily clad women, maybe you're the ones who shouldn't go out drinking.
Reading some of the comments about how women dress makes me think of strict Muslim countries in which women have to be covered from head to toe to prevent men from being tempted to give in to their urges.
Is that really what we want?
If you go to prison for your actions and some guy bends you over in the shower, were you asking for it? You must have wanted it to happen or else you wouldn't have done something to get yourself thrown in prison.

 

I would never want a world where people couldn't dress the way they chose and not have the freedom to behave naughty on occasion, just as long as they understand the risks they take of the latter. I just don't want to be the guy who went to a party, hooked up with a beautiful woman who made an overt play for me then days later find out I'm being accused of rape just because we were both intoxicated and some how that's my fault.

 

I understand fully why most women wouldn't agree with this premise of being falsely accused of rape because you'll never have to experience it. If a guy in a drunken state walks up to a girl and grabs her tits or cunt to entice her it's assault, but if she in the same state grabs my cock we go somewhere and fuck I'm still in a position of being accused of assault and I didn't commit by following her lead.

 

In conclusion I'm satisfied that this thread was carried on for so long and whether it pissed you off or however you viewed it is irrelevant, this is a truly serious sexual subject that needs to be addressed for everyone involved. We have or know of the all to common situations where alcohol and drugs have been used as a social buffer to lower our inhibitions , to do things "we would never do otherwise" and that many men and women unknowingly choose to place themselves in positions under these influences.Without the first thought of the consequences, not assuming that even the most overt sexually enticing behavior in this inebriated state can lead to rape or the accusation of rape and that when this happens we have no one but ourselves to blame for it's initial causation. While I may have offended your sensibilities, made you defensive of my assertions or of me? The best defense is a good offense which means the next time your out and highly intoxicated maybe it's at this point you question the choice of looking for the random "hook up" maybe you should just tip your bartender and go the fuck the home before you do what CLASS? "Something you'll regret in the morning!"

 

It says something about the world we live in that this thread is so relevant, thought provoking and causes such heated but interesting debate. Of course women should be able to go out dressed any way we please and if we decide to have a few too many drinks, we should be able to.
I hate having to continuously warn my daughter of dress code and behaviour when ever she goes out and I detest the sleepless hours waiting for her to return home safely.
I've never been raped and hope to God I never have to go through that experience, but like many women I've been out and been touched inappropriately and had drunk guys suggest all sorts of things, neither of which is acceptable, but is certainly where a grey/blurred area can be found. I admit 100% that there have been occasions where, possibly after a drink or two, I've found such advances flirty,flattering and fun. [There are times when I actually feel sorry for men!...How can such a simple lot deal with so many mixed messages!!!].........But seriously, neither men nor women should allow ambiguity yo ruin their lives.......ladies, have some sense......guys, if in doubt, keep your cock in your pants.

 

Very well put hornyb333

 

I was attached when I was just 18 at a get together. I didn't know anyone, I was there with a male friend (so I thought) and I wasn't drinking or under the influence of anything. I went to look for the friend and a man pushed me down to the floor and raped me anally. After it was over he got up and left me there on the floor. I got up walked to the front door with my head held high because I was not a victim, I was and am a survivor. I was not going to let his behaviors make me less of a woman and I was a soldier in the US Army at the time so I was a very proud woman. Rape is nothing anyone really wants.

 

I was never going to be anyone's victim, I needed to be strong. Thank you for your nice comment

 

So murdering someone because you are drunk might be OK right? particularly if the person you murdered was drunk too because they were probably asking for it.

I do know someone who was raped and she was neither drunk nor 'asking for it'

Giving wiggle room that rape might actually be OK sometimes gives licence for it to be OK always, which it is not.

Yes Woman need to be careful and aware, but throwing the whole 'if you werent wearing that tight skirt, if you werent up late drinking thing is fundamentally flawed and just perpetuates a problem which starts with your very own Thread title.

Woman arent goods to be bought sold or traded

 

I understand where complications may rise with two drunken parties. To the letter of the law it is statutory rape where one of the parties is unable to give legal cosent either due to their age, intoxication, or being otherwise mentally impaired. That being said I do believe a few drinks shouldn't automatically nullify consent.

An entirely different example is this. You are being assaulted if you're into being whipped etc. Legally speaking you could even bring charges against the other party as one may not consent to assault. Common sense needs to be applied at times.

Sure we can say if you've had a single drink don't hook up with anyone but that removes freedom of choice.