What do you think of the move to get Citgo taken from the Fl turnpike?
The move is in retaliation (my emphesis)for the remarks that Hugo Chavez made to the public and on the floor of the UN.
Nothing was said about the fact when there was a heating oil shortage in North East a winter or so back, Chevez bought tankers in and gave free fuel oil to the needy.. I understand that the Government stopped him... During the Katrina so called gas shortage, he bought tankers into the region to releive the preasure.. Did you know about these things....IN general terms chevz and venezuela own Citgo.

 

Add to this.. what is the low price you have found on gas in the past day or two..

 

Citgo

I always thought Citgo was shit gas anyhow. The worst stuff I ever put in my car. Take it away, I certainly won't miss it! Just take it away from the States as a whole.

In Washington state (Lynden, WA), I have seen gas at $2.57. as the lowest right now. In Canada, totally different story! I saw it at 90 cents a liter, so that equates to approx. $3.50 a gallon.

 

Re: Citgo

Don't use Citgo much myself, but have never had any problems with it.. With what I drive a Pinto and a 1994 dodge van 874,677.5 miles it doesn't make difference.. Just filled up at $1.95.. I see that a lot of Kentucky is in the 1.88's

 

Where i live we're lucky enough to have plenty of add on taxes to make our gas prices high. Right now its "cheap" at 2.80. In california the highs have been around 3.50. Even diesel fuel is crazy high. I hate it when people say "we should be happy its so cheap. A gallon of milk, something that is renewable blah blah costs more. In Europe they have to pay up to $5 for a gallon." Its all relative. When for who knows how long we were getting gas for $1-1.30 and then over a 5 year period it was up to $3. All the while "fat bastard" is gettin rich. But yea, california is the greatest place on earth but the taxes here are crazy. It seems like everything has an add-on tax.

 

We don't have Citgo's up here, so this is the first I'm reading about this. And I'm so not into politics, but isn't this a little f...ed up?

It's at $2.39 here (ND).

 

Hugo Chavez can be alittle extreme but he's well aware of what our government is turning into, hes a smart man.

But gas around here on long island is $2.60 i think i saw

 

Lowest prices that I've seen around here is 2.25 a gallon. And that's the highest in the state. In Oklahoma City, I hear that it's 1.85.

As for the gas wars.. Eh. We need to implement our water engines now.

 

God I wish petrol over here was priced like your gas!

Chavez, I gather, gets a bad press over here but I can't see anything that he's actually done wrong. I didn't know about him supplying direct and cheap or free to poor areas of the states but I did know that he's used the oil revenues to give education and healthcare to everyone in venezuela, and he's being opposed by the moneyed classes down there (with support from Washington) who don't like his redistributionist policies and want to put him in his place.

I like the bloke. Not sure I'd want to spend an evening drinking with him, but the same would be true of a lot of good people.

 

In Chiacagoland, the price of gas is still in 2.50's - 2.70's.

 

A link to a cool USA-wide gas pricing map.

 

Oklahoma sucks. (ESPECIALLY OUR COLLEGE FOOTBALL TEAMS!) I wouldn't recommend it .

But gas is defiantely cheap here. Hello oil reserves found suddenly under the state, haha.

Yeah. Look at the map of Oklahoma. The only fully yellow one. Highest in the state. That's where I live .

 

Liked your comments, and gas now is 1.95 gallon here, got my shock when I went out of country.
Citgo web site tells what they did during the so called gas shortage of Katrina era.
Now due to price cutting more than anything, the large chain of convinence stores are dropping Citgo as their supplier.. (this is a lot more complicated that it first appears.)

 

I think that's funny. In the city that I live, Citgo is a supplier for a small, family owned gas station here. They also have one from a huge convenience store chain. Now that you mention it, I think Valero is taking over that one..

 

I've just worked it out (OK I've just found a website with conversion tables!) and your prices (say arond 2 dollars a gallon equate to about HALF the price of petrol in the UK, more or less. Now I consider myself quite green but if petrol over here was priced like it is over there I would almost certainly never take a bus or train again.

And that can't be good.

 

Trumpet: Isn't a lot of the cost of yours taken by taxes.. Some of the best crude in the world is the North Sea..
One of the solutions to our greed for gas has been suggested to up the price, add a big tax.
They have to pay for the war we started in Iraq.

 

National tax? That would be cute. The US subsidizes oil imports (that's why prices are so low in the US), and then turns around and taxes the consumer to bring the price back up. While it would do what is needed I doubt American consumers would stand for it.

(By the way, the purpose of subsidizing imports is to preserve American oil reserves for future use; a goal I can't disagree with in principle.)

 

Thorney, you are right that there is a lot of tax on our petrol. The argument recently has been that taxing petrol will reduce car use and therefore co2 emissions, and therefore slow global warming (don't start on the science of that again please! Whether it's true or not it's an argument that is used.)

The trouble with that argument is that because there is no increase in investment in public transport the effect is that the poor are being priced out of having mobility and eventally won't be able to afford to get to work while the rich can have big gas-guzzling cars and drive them with no restrictions.

It's totally fucked up.

That's not to say that I agree with subsidising gas imports to the states to keep prices down and consumption up. That doesn't help anyone either in the long run.

 

^ I second that.

One of the real consumer-directed ends of higher gas prices that is almost always ignored is that commerce itself is based on things moving around. Your groceries travel from where they are produced to regional warehouses, then to distribution warehouses, then to chain warehouses, then to stores. The cost of goods increases with increased gas prices, and that higher price is directed ultimately at the consumer.

 

I don't knwow what the situation is over there but in the UK the retail supply chain is a huge and unnecessary poluter. Produce is grown all over the UK, shipped in big trucks to central distribution centres by the big supermarket chains, then packaged and shipped back out, often to stores only a few miles from where it was grown/reared.

The roads get choked with trucks passing each other carrying packaged/unpackaged versions of the same stuff.

And we, the consumers, pick up the transport and packaging bill, and are still mainly fooled into thining supermarket chains give us value for money.