And for fucks’ sake Jackie boy, you can’t go around making serious threads like this! Where’s the incest, where’s the dick lenght worry, where’s ”I am straight but suck cock”!!!

 

From the beginnings of life, biology dictates evolution wouldnt be happening without reproduction between something of a male and female,
this was decided long before there was a thought to sexual preference by anything that had distinguishable sexes.

 

Since everyone wants to bs around what I said about homosexuality being a choice and being unnatural. Tell me this. Can two men or two women fuck and have a child? Answer, NO. Man and woman were made to be together. That's natural. If it were natural to be gay then most of the world would be gay and there would be a whole hell of a lotta people missing. Homosexuality has been spoken against since ancient civilization. Since they stopped viewing it as a mental defect, that makes it a choice. Just like how women have relationship after relationship with men and they says we'll let me try a woman since men keep fucking up. Did she not make a choice? Gay people try to pick up straight people, does that mean whenever they are successful that the straight person didn't choose to try them out?

Everyone wants to get up in arms because I said I don't view flamboyant males as real men. So.... I don't view guys that cheat on their wives as real men, I don't view males that don't take care of their families as real men either, or come home and beat up on their family. The list goes on, nobody ever has a problem when I say shit like that.... Get over yourself, you want to be mad because I don't agree with u, so the fuck what.

That's the problem with the world these days. Everyone want to be liked and agreed with and accepted. Horseshit! Fuck I care about being liked? I don't. I could give a flying fuck if someone likes me, I give a fuck about being treated properly, not being fucked over.
Example- I hire 10 new people, 5 gay 5 not. I train them the same, I pay them the same, I grade their performance the same. But I go out for drinks after work with the straight guys and not the gay ones. Big fucking deal boo woo cry me a river. If I had not hired the gay guys because their gay or if I didn't train them properly or wrote them up more the the others because their gay. That would be a fucked up. That would be homophobic.
Example- When my gfs flaming gay friends come over and I go to my man cave and have a beer and a smoke or go do whatever, that's not homophobic, I don't sit around and "girl talk" with women. I'ma man and it's not my place to so I damn sure not going to sit and have girl talk with some fucking guys and my chick. Telling her that she can't have them in my house because their gay or trying to do something like make them uncomfortable so they leave, that would be homophobic.
Example- gay guy tells me I'm cute, I tell him that I'm not interested in men and don't believe in men being gay, that's not homophobic. Blowing up at him and punching him in his face for giving me a compliment, that's homophobic.

Fuck if I like you as long as I'm not fucking with you and treating you fucked up then you can take your bs homophobic claim and shove it. No pun intended

 

The homophobic ones are afraid to admit that they wank off to gay porn all the time. Like any good Christian preacher or Republican member of Congress.... you'll get caught one day with the alter boy or the page.... then you'll have to stand in front of the press with your embarrassed wife at your side while you explain that after years of blasting gays you may, perhaps, actually be gay.

 

@BeatItUpRight ......I like the way ya stand up and defend your opinion.....like a man!

But I gotta say, always thought the idea of a man cave was a little faggy... in an Al Bundy kinda way.

 

Well, Let's just say I love their 20th century slogan and wish they would follow what Ronald Reagan always said.. "better dead than red"

 

DNA differences are linked to having same-sex sexual partners
SAN DIEGO — For some people, choosing a same-sex partner may be in their DNA.

In a large study of more than 490,000 men and women in the United States, United Kingdom and Sweden, researchers discovered four genetic variants that occur more often in people who indicated on questionnaires that they had had same-sex sexual partners. Andrea Ganna, a geneticist at the Broad Institute of MIT and Harvard reported the results October 19 at the annual meeting of the American Society of Human Genetics. Two of the variants were specific to men’s sexual partner choice. The other two influence sex partner choice for both men and women.

Collectively, the DNA differences explained only 8 to 12 percent of the heritability of having same-sex partners. “There is no gay gene,” Ganna said, “but rather non-heterosexuality is influenced by many tiny-effect genetic factors.”

The new study is an advance over previous attempts to find “gay genes,” says J. Michael Bailey, a psychologist at Northwestern University in Evanston, Ill., who was not involved in the new work. The study’s size is its main advantage, Bailey says. “It’s huge. Huge.”

Researchers examined DNA data from more than 400,000 participants in the U.K. Biobank and more than 69,000 people who had their DNA tested by the consumer testing company 23andMe. People who have given their DNA data to those research projects also answered a battery of questions, including ones about whether they had ever had a partner of the same sex and how many sexual partners they have had. The findings were replicated with data from three other studies, including one from Sweden. Findings from such large studies are more likely to be replicated than the small studies in the past, Bailey says. Researchers have “really gotten these studies down now and if they find things, it’s pretty sure that they’re true.”

Previous sexual orientation genetic studies, including some Bailey was involved in, may also have suffered from bias because they relied on volunteers. People who offer to participate in a study, without being randomly selected, may not reflect the general population, he says. This study includes both men and women and doesn’t rely on twins, as many previous studies have, he says. “It’s a huge advance … but it doesn’t tell us everything we need to know.”

For instance, the study doesn’t address people’s attraction to members of the same sex. Some people who have had sex with a same-sex partner don’t consider themselves gay and aren’t exclusively attracted to people of the same sex, Bailey says. He calls the study’s definition of non-heterosexual behavior as having ever had a same-sex partner “a flawed, but not ridiculous indicator of sexual orientation.”

Men in the new study who said they have had same-sex partners, tended to be more exclusively homosexual than women were, Ganna and colleagues found. But people of both sexes ran the gamut of sexual orientations. In the U.K. Biobank dataset, for example, younger people reported having same-sex partners more often than older people did, probably because homosexual activity was illegal in the United Kingdom until 1967.

This is not the only complex human phenomenon for which we see a genetic influence without a great understanding of how that influence works.

— Lisa Diamond

This is the first DNA difference ever linked to female sexual orientation, says Lisa Diamond, a psychologist at the University of Utah in Salt Lake City who studies the nature and development of same-sex sexuality. The results are consistent with previous studies suggesting genetics may play a bigger role in influencing male sexuality than female sexuality. It’s not unusual for one sex of a species to be more fluid in their sexuality, choosing partners of both sexes, Diamond says. For humans, male sexuality may be more tightly linked to genes.

But that doesn’t mean that genes control sexual behavior or orientation. “Same-sex sexuality appears to be genetically influenced, but not genetically determined,” Diamond says. “This is not the only complex human phenomenon for which we see a genetic influence without a great understanding of how that influence works.” Other complex human behaviors, such as smoking, alcohol use, personality and even job satisfaction all have some genetic component.

Previous research had suggested that genes influencing sexual orientation were located on the X chromosome (SN: 11/4/95, p. 295; SN: 7/7/93, p. 37). But Ganna and colleagues found no evidence that the X chromosome is involved in partner choice, he said.

Instead, the researchers found genetic variants known as single nucleotide polymorphisms, or SNPs, located on four other chromosomes. SNPs are naturally occurring spots in the DNA where some people have one DNA base, or letter, and other people have another. The variants didn’t change any genes, but were found near some genes that may be involved.

For instance, a variant on chromosome 15 linked to men having sex with men is also associated with male pattern baldness. Another variant in the study is near the ORA51A gene on chromosome 11, which is involved in the ability to smell certain chemicals. That’s interesting because smell has been linked to attraction before (SN Online: 3/12/15), Ganna said. The researchers don’t yet know exactly which genes are involved in mate choice or exactly how they influence behavior.

One mystery the discovery may help solve is how genetic variants associated with having same-sex partners could persist across generations. Such variants would presumably get weeded out if men and women who have sex with people of the same sex don’t have children or have fewer children than the average person.

In the new study, the more exclusively homosexual partners men had, the fewer children they had; up to 80 percent fewer children than heterosexual men. In a preliminary conference report, the researchers suggested that the variants are associated with heterosexuals having more sexual partners than usual, and that heterosexual men with some of the variants are more attractive than those without. Those traits would give heterosexuals a greater chance to pass the variants on to offspring, keeping those DNA differences in the gene pool. Ganna did not discuss those possibilities from the podium.

Diamond disagrees that researchers need to find a mechanism to explain the persistence of genetic variants linked to homosexuality. Same-sex behavior has never completely supplanted heterosexual mating in any species studied, she says. Only in the last 50 years have gay people tended to exclusively choose same-sex partners, she says. “You don’t really need some reproductive benefit for same-sex sexuality, because same-sex sexuality almost never occurs exclusively. Individuals with that predisposition have been mating and reproducing with heterosexual partners for millennia, and that’s why it’s still in the gene pool.”

 

Homophobia exists, so of course it here as well. But that said, there are plenty of male/male topics and threads on the forum. So gay and bi males shouldn't feel unwelcome here.

 

No body should feel unwelcome...different opinions abound.

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I don't really give a shit what you are but when you prance around the Men's locker room like a bitch in heat or keep staring at my dick as I am changing out of my work clothes- yea I do have an issue with it. Or when I'm exhausted from beating the weights up for an hour and a half, and I go to shower and your bent over doing stretching exercises and the first thing I see is your asshole - umm yea no bueno.

Or you have the shower head shooting up your ass while you face outward massaging yourself and leering at people coming in and out of the steam room or shower area- yea again no bueno. Creepy

I'm not phobic- don't care what you do just keep it on your side of the fence. i talk to them but just not about sucking cock - they come talk to me about Bourbon, steaks, seafood,cigars and the fine art of eating pussy

 

@BeatItUpRight I half wownder if you realise what you're saying. I'll give you credit for sticking to your guns though. Perhaps you're right and it's not homophobia you're displaying but it sure is intolerance. I don't begrudge you choosing to remove yourself from situations which make you uncomfortable however I will call you out for insulting people and degrading them for expressing themselves. As for your whole argumentabout nature that's flat wrong. Homosexuality occurs in the animal kingdom as well and I doubt you'd say a dog or primate is making a conscious choice they are simply doing what comes naturally to them.

 

I dont think animals are homosexual(homo-man) anyway,
male penguins arent homosexual, like every creature their driven to have sex, sometimes its non discriminate, may be it was a very horny penguin who didnt care, I doubt the (alleged) gay penguin is drive by an attraction to other male penguins.
May be is was a "not so bright" penguin that saw just a "sexual hole"...a dog hump you leg, doesnt mean the dog has a "leg fetish".

 

I grew up with homophobia and racism, a shit ton of bigotry and hate filled bullshit that the people thought was justified because it was different than what they thought. You know that kind of small town where men are men and women are silent and if you do not vote republican you are a communist, don't get me wrong I loved growing up there but it was made clear to me as a kid that because I was not like most others I had to stick to my own kind; kind of hard to do when you are the only half Mexican-half black gay kid in the county. I still think many of the parents of the people I went to school with would kill themselves if they knew how many of their kids were hiding who they were having sex with from them. Hell it was a tiny ass town, think 700 or so people total, and as teens and sex fiends in a town where boys outnumbered the girls how do you think that went down.
It was common for the locals to be heard saying faggot, dyke, nigger, wetback, and so much more that I used to block out, it was known that several of the locals were active KKK members and they were not quiet about how they felt and their opinions of the station of non-whites and gays. I heard from a very young age that being not-straight was a choice, that people chose to be against the Bible and God, that they wanted to do what they did and be a target daily for their feelings. That they were in control of who they were attracted to and who they loved.
Those people think that we decide who we find attractive, like we get to choose if we like what everyone else likes, or some societal standard like a size 2-3 with DDD breasts and long blond hair; too bad we can't, we do not have a choice in what attributes we find attractive, some people like freckles or moles, some like brunettes or redheads, hell some like girls that look like boys and have no breasts and no real shape to their bodies; the heart and biology wants what it wants and we are all a slave to ourselves.I guess it is better that we just ignore the ignorance of those that believe that sexuality os a choice because they are too fucking stupid to be taken seriously.

 

Good day Gentleman, no minds are being changed today...Peace

 

But you replied in this comment thread to Fun between your legs, saying he was arrogant & condescending, not RelentlessOblivion.

 

Wow ! Well this has got interesting. @BeatItUpRight has got his knickers in a right twist. But having dug himself a hole you migh think he would stop, sadly nope he kept on diggin and threw a race element into the mix and not content with the depth of his now very deep hole he kept shoveling and has thrown a copy of the Westboro Baptis Church manifesto into the mix.

So homosexuality is wrong because men and woman are supposed to have babies.. What ? I mean really, serious, like WTF !!

Actually I know two lesbian couples who have children, they are the best mums ever seriously awesome

Honestly I have just wet my panties right through laughing at this nonsense.

Human relationships are complex, our social structures are complex and it isnt all about having babies, how we form bonds and with whom and how we live our lives doesnt all boil down to woman having babies while thier man goes off to fight Wilderbeast to the death in unarmed combat.

OK I need to go off and do some Kegels and change my underwear

 

@Sweetpassion I can do kegles and you wouldnt even know, I think there must be other stuff which would be far more interesting to watch, but lets take that in another thread

 

This is a Sex forum not Family planning. Go forth and Fuck each other for fun and pleasure.

 

I apologize for starting this shit show, that wasn't my intention. I'd like to thank everyone for offering up their views, thoughts and opinions. Even though we somehow drifted off the topic at times, hearing different views was kind of nice in a way.

I didn't start this thread thinking that everyone was going to agree with each other, and it wasn't for the purpose of trying to change anyones opinion. It was to hear those different views and opinions from people. It's not about changing someones opinion, it's about hearing another opinion you may never thought to consider. That's what having a discussion is all about, as long as it can be kept civil, but we lost that here.

 

Thanks again