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  1. Distant Lover

    Distant Lover Master of Facts

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    The North Koreas ignited their first atomic bomb in 2006. The Republicans had the White House and both houses of Congress.

    The time to get a first strike on North Korea was before they had nukes. The Israelis did that all by themselves with Iraq and Syria. It worked. To do that with North Korea we needed the clandestine support of China and Russia. We needed to acknowledge that they would complain publicly, but they had to give us a private go ahead. It had to be done before 2006. Bush II had time to do that. Bill Clinton had more time.
     
  2. conroe4

    conroe4 Lake Lover In XNXX Heaven

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    It was the development of the icbm's that needed shutting down sic one.
     
  3. shootersa

    shootersa Frisky Feline

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    Whatever the events leading to North Korea having nuclear capability, and a delivery vehicle, the key issue is; now what?
    Best case; the North Korean populace handle this.
    Worst case; We do nothing.
     
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  4. Distant Lover

    Distant Lover Master of Facts

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    I lived through the Cold War. I am old enough to remember the Cuban missile crisis. My instincts tell me that if we do nothing, Fat Kim will do nothing. Stalin, Khrushchev, and Mao Tse Tung had nukes and ICBM's. (Well, maybe Uncle Joe did not have ICBM's but the other two did.) Uncle Joe did have jet bombers that could have reached San Francisco, Los Angeles, New York, and Washington, DC.
     
  5. shootersa

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    We both lived through the cold war and the Cuban missile crisis.

    You might be correct that for now, doing nothing is the best course.
    But, if Kim truly believes we are out to get him, and that a first strike is the only solution, then doing nothing is the worst thing we can do. All it does is give him time to increase his arsenal and delivery system capability.

    Shooter would approach Kim through China and suggest that while he believes we are out to get him, we are not. We are willing to seek some sort of peace with North Korea, but if we can't find a common ground then we will defend ourselves every bit as much as we would expect him to defend himself.

    And then figure out how best to take out Kim's nuclear capability and his delivery system.

    And then do it.
     
    1. msman
      How many years now has that been tried. At least 3 leaders have worked toward what they have now.
      In the last 25 years every president has tried. They all end up giving North Korea money and other things to stop building bombs and North Korea takes the money and builds more bombs.
      It would seem like in 25 years and 3 different leaders would have taught the U.S. something.
       
      msman, Oct 30, 2017
    2. shootersa
      That's the point.
      They haven't "done" it, just talked it.
       
      shootersa, Nov 1, 2017
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    I agree, Bush did little to nothing to stop North Korea's nuclear weapons program. Bush should have done something long before the 2006 test.

    But the man was too busy getting Americans killed in the Middle East, fighting his own personal vendetta war in Iraq and trying to put a good face on Afghanistan.

    Bush was a failure. However, so was Bill Clinton and Barack Obama with regards to North Korea.

    So now we have a president in the white house willing to try to do something about it and all the left can do is complain and criticize.

    If the US fight's this war now, millions could die.... If this war is fought 10 to 20 years from now, 100's of millions could die...
     
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      Yes. Now it will only risk killing tens of millions.

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    2. msman
      If we would have finished the fight years ago we wouldn't have this problem.
       
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  7. Distant Lover

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    If we would have finished the fight years ago we wouldn't have this problem.

    - msman

    After Gen. MacArthur's victory at Inchon he issued a demand to North Korea for unconditional surrender. Then he invaded North Korea. That is probably what you mean by finishing the fight.

    The Chinese government said it would not oppose the presence of South Korean troops in North Korea, but it would not allow American troops on the other side of the Yalu River. MacArthur thought the Chinese were bluffing. They were not.

    Because MacArthur was too aggressive the Korean War lasted for three more years. When the War ended we had what we had achieved three years earlier. The difference was much more destruction and much more death.
     
  8. msman

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    It is terrible that we may have to do the whole thing all over.
    Maybe this time we will finish it for good.
     
  9. RandyKnight

    RandyKnight Have Gun, Will Travel

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    A tunnel collapsed at a North Korean nuclear test site, reportedly killing 200 people

    • Japanese media reports 200 North Koreans died in a tunnel collapse at their nuclear test site.
    • In September, North Korea tested a powerful nuclear weapon that experts say rocked the mountain and made it unstable.
    • If the test site is totally compromised, the hazardous radioactive material could spread across the region.
    North Korean sources told TV Asahi that initially, a tunnel collapsed on 100 workers, and an additional 100 went in to rescue them, only to die themselves under the unstable mountain.

    The tunnels in and out of the test site had been damaged previously, and the workers may have been clearing or repairing the tunnels to resume nuclear testing.

    Additionally, with the test site compromised, hazardous radioactive material left over from the blast may seep out, which could possibly cause an international incident.

    If the debris from the test reaches China, Beijing would see that as an attack on its country, Jenny Town, the assistant director of the US-Korea Institute and a managing editor at 38 North, told previously Business Insider.

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  10. msman

    msman Porn Star Banned!

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    What the hell did China think would happen?
    They have been helping North Korea in every way they can.
    Who would they blame the attack on if hazardous radioactive material did float over the border?
    They have to have smarter people than that in charge of their country.
     
  11. RandyKnight

    RandyKnight Have Gun, Will Travel

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    Mattis: White House Could Order Nuclear Strike
    if North Korean Attack ‘Imminent’

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    During his testimony before Congress, US Defense Secretary James Mattis said that the White House has “rehearsed” their response to a North Korean nuclear attack. He added that Washington would fire a nuclear weapon at North Korea for two reasons: a North Korean attack, or a “direct imminent... attack.”

    Mattis told Congress that he, the president and other key players had rehearsed their response to a nuclear strike — and the threshold of provocation that would lead the US to fire their own nuclear device. That, according to Mattis, would be "a direct imminent or actual attack."

    Sen. Jim Risch (R-ID) asked Mattis what would happen if the US detected a nuclear launch.


    Matties replied that "the first step, of course, would be that our ballistic missile defense forces at sea and in Alaska, California —
    the various radars would be feeding in and they would do what they're designed to do as we make every effort to take [the missile] out."

    The president has "a wide array of options, including a non-nuclear response… we would take the action the president directed and I'm sure that Congress would be intimately involved," Mattis said — although he did not elaborate what that "intimate involvement" would be.

    "If we saw they were preparing to do so and it was imminent, I could imagine [a preemptive nuclear strike].

    It's not the only tool in the toolkit to try to address something like that," said Mattis.

    An imminent nuclear launch could conceivably be taken out on the ground with an airstrike or shot down by a missile defense system once in the air.

    However, decisions to protect the country are the duty of the executive, not the legislature, according to Mattis. "I believe that congressional oversight does not equate to operational control," he said. "I think that we have to keep trust, keep faith in the system that we have that has proven effective now for decades."

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  12. freespiritx

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    And the lunatics are running the asylum.

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  13. Distant Lover

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    NBC News November 2, 2017

    North Korean military officers have been trained to trigger a devastating counterstrike if their country is attacked by the United States, according to a high-profile defector.

    Former North Korean diplomat Thae Yong Ho's comments to U.S. lawmakers suggest that military action on the Korean peninsula — a course of action repeatedly raised by President Donald Trump — would almost certainly result in a catastrophic number of civilian casualties...

    While Thae said that the U.S. should always preserve the threat of war as a last resort, he questioned whether the White House had done enough to solve the crisis by other means.

    "We cannot change the policy of terror of the Kim Jong Un regime," he said. "But we can educate North Korean population to stand up by disseminating outside information."

    Activists currently smuggle USB sticks and float balloons across the border, with the illicit packages containing everything from anti-North Korea leaflets to Hollywood movies. This gives a glimpse of the outside world to ordinary North Koreans, who are not able to access the internet or foreign media.

    "Is the United States really doing enough in this regard?" Thae said of these subversive tactics. "The U.S. is spending billions of dollars to cope with the military threat. Yet how much does the U.S. spend each year on information activities involving North Korea in a year? Unfortunately, it may be tiny fraction."

    He said these tactics were already having an effect, helping foment a "flourishing" black market economy and greater knowledge of Western culture.

    "The domestic system of control is weakening as the days go by," he said. "These changes ... make it increasingly possible to think about civilian uprising in North Korea."...

    "Some people do not believe in soft power, but only in military options. But it is necessary to reconsider whether we have tried all non-military options before we decide that military action against North Korea is all that is left," he said.

    "Before any military action is taken," he added. "I think it is necessary to meet Kim Jong Un at least once to understand his thinking and to try to convince him that he would be destroyed if he continues his current direction."

    North Korea has said in public statements that it wants an official end to the Korean War. It also wants nothing short of full normalization of relations with the U.S. and to be treated with respect and as an equal in the global arena.

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    Æsop. (Sixth century B.C.) Fables.
    The Harvard Classics. 1909–14.

    The Wind and the Sun

    THE WIND and the Sun were disputing which was the stronger. Suddenly they saw a traveller coming down the road, and the Sun said: “I see a way to decide our dispute. Whichever of us can cause that traveller to take off his cloak shall be regarded as the stronger You begin.” So the Sun retired behind a cloud, and the Wind began to blow as hard as it could upon the traveller. But the harder he blew the more closely did the traveller wrap his cloak round him, till at last the Wind had to give up in despair. Then the Sun came out and shone in all his glory upon the traveller, who soon found it too hot to walk with his cloak on.
    “KINDNESS EFFECTS MORE THAN SEVERITY.”

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    The relevance of that Aesop Fable to the problem of North Korea will be apparent to discerning XNXX posters.

    To posters with less discernment I will point out that President Windbag, with his blustery threats and insults, resembles the Wind in the Fable.
     
    1. RandyKnight
      "They Call the Wind Maria" is an American popular song with lyrics written by Alan J. Lerner and music by Frederick Loewe for their 1951 Broadway musical, Paint Your Wagon,

      It quickly became a runaway hit, and during the Korean War, the song was among the "popular music listened to by the troops".

      A striking feature of the song in the original orchestration (also used in many cover versions),
      is a driving, staccato rhythm, played on the string instruments, that evokes a sense of restless motion.
       
      RandyKnight, Nov 2, 2017
    2. shootersa
      And who, pray, would the sun be, in your fantasy comparison?
      Obama?
       
      shootersa, Nov 2, 2017
  14. msman

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    Dog, how much does a bunch of balloons cost?
     
  15. Distant Lover

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    A whole lot less than the military action President Windbag threatens, while promising to cut taxes.
     
    1. msman
      Can't the activist come up with enough cash to buy a bunch of balloons?
      Or do they just want a bunch of money they can split within their group?
       
      msman, Nov 2, 2017
  16. Distant Lover

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    If anyone has figured out how President Windbag intends to fight a nuclear war with North Korea while cutting taxes, he has not shared his plan with me.
     
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      Post that same remark one more time I just love to see you in misery....
       
      RandyKnight, Nov 2, 2017
    2. msman
      Dog, how much do you think it would cost to drop a bunch of nuclear bombs on North Korea?
       
      msman, Nov 2, 2017
    3. RandyKnight
      even without nukes this would be a 10 day war....
       
      RandyKnight, Nov 2, 2017
  17. imported__2355

    imported__2355 Ungodly Intelligent And Attractive

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    About 10,000,000 lives.
     
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  18. Distant Lover

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    Dog, how much do you think it would cost to drop a bunch of nuclear bombs on North Korea?

    - msman

    At least 10,000 lives. A lot of them will be South Koreans.

    If we shoot first, we might have to fight China too.

    As soon as the North Korean military knows we are attacking them they will send several nuclear tipped ICBM's to Seattle, San Francisco, and Los Angeles. I do not want to count on our missile defense system working. I do not want to count on those ICBM's missing their targets.

    North Korea is not a problem that can be solved by John Wayne riding his horse in there and shooting his six guns at the bad guys.
     
  19. imported__2355

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    Actually it will be closer to the 10,000,000 figure. The population of Pyongyang, that of Seoul, all US servicemen, civilian personell and their dependents, and a fair percentage of the population of the surrounding countryside.
    The numbers only go up when you add in those killed by fallout poisoning, either directly or by eating fish exposed to it from the surrounding waters. And not including any killed in blowback or spillover actions in the following days and weeks.
    And not including the Trumpster & Co. Who will all become targets for people convinced they are a waste of uncontaminated air, water and food.