on the david letterman show (they showed that in australia 5 nights each week) i remember they did "great moments in presidential history" and that was one of the moments

 

If you think this tax plan is going to benefit the middle and lower class you are mistaken. Let’s take a look at the Republican concept of trickle down economic under Reagan. It didn’t work, the rich kept their money in off shore investments and banks so the vast majority of corporate profits never entered into the USA economy. It actually hurt the economy.

Then let’s look at Bush, after years of prosperity due to the tech boom, he decided to have a tax holiday for the rich. This would allow them to bring their off shore money back into the USA at a huge tax cut so it would stimulate the economy. Instead what they did was give themselves bonus and bought back stocks they had sold in order to gain back control. Did this help the economy and improve job growth. Well if you do your research you will see it did just the opposite.

So now a Republican president, that hasn’t kept a single promise from his campaign to the middle or lower class, is proposing another tax plan and you think it will benefit you? Think again. Get ready for 4 to 8 years of economic decline, increase unemployment, and hardship.

If you think any politician Republican or Democrat cares about the common citizen then you are mistaken. Very few of them actually do. So don’t get your hopes up people. Study history and you will see the obvious patterns. This will not benefit the lower or middle class.

 

What did I rewrite? And how are we going to be overrun with homeless and Mexicans? Explain yourself.

 

Then let’s look at Bush, after years of prosperity due to the tech boom,

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The dotcom bubble occurred in the late 1990s and was characterized by a rapid rise in equity markets fueled by investments in Internet-based companies. During the dotcom bubble, the value of equity markets grew exponentially, with the technology-dominated NASDAQ index rising from under 1,000 to more than 5,000 between 1995 and 2000.

The NASDAQ index peaked on March 10, 2000, at 5048, nearly double over the prior year. Right at the market’s peak, several of the leading high-tech companies, such as Dell and Cisco placed huge sell orders on their stocks, sparking panic selling among investors. Within a few weeks, the stock market lost 10% of its value. As investment capital began to dry up, so did the life blood of cash-strapped dotcom companies. Dotcom companies that had reached market capitalization in the hundreds of millions of dollars became worthless within a matter of months. By the end of 2001, a majority of publicly traded dotcom companies folded, and trillions of dollars of investment capital evaporated.

Read more: Dotcom Bubble https://www.investopedia.com/terms/d/dotcom-bubble.asp#ixzz508snOyXS


That is just one but I dont care to spoon feed you reality......

go google homeless in LA------

 

You actually didn’t address Trickle Down Econmoics, Bush’s tax holiday, or show any proof that tax cuts for the rich actually stimulate economic growth.

Also let’s argue these points using our own logic and reason. For every article you have that says you are right I can find one that says I am right. Using statics and facts are fine, but if you are going to copy and paste other peoples arguments and articles then that is a waste of time. By using your own voice you prove you understand the debate.

Yes we have lots of homeless people in California. It’s due to the fact that our weather is so nice on the coast that homeless people don’t have to struggle with the elements as much. We also have one of the most prosperous economy’s in the world so our state is better suited to provide public programs to help them.

As to the Mexicans, most of them are staying in Mexico these days because the lower class in America is struggling more then it did in the past. Also I don’t mind them coming to our country. If a poor Mexican person, that doesn’t speak the language, and just arrived in the country, has the ability to steal your job, then maybe you suck at your job. Now if your argument is that they stole your job because they will work for less money, then get angry at the person that hired them. He is the one breaking the law and giving your jobs away. The Mexicans are struggling and looking for work to make a living, I don’t blame them for coming here to work.

 

Here is some logic for you.
70% of the people who pay taxes use the standard deductions.
The standard deductions are going up.
70% of all of the taxpayers will pay less in taxes.
Pretty simple. You don't have to explain it. You do not have to look for secret messages.
Just know 70% of all taxpayers is a lot more than half of all taxpayers.

 

But they took away the 15% bracket, and went from 12% to 22% maybe 25%. The increased standard deduction isn't
didley squat when you have to pay an additional 7-10%. It's a fucking tax increase.

 

Why do you guys really think Trump and the people that are backing him really care about you? When he was campaigning he constantly said he would drain the swamp and you guys loved it. But look at all the people in his cabinet and close circle. They are the finest examples of people that represent the swamp. They are only invoked in politics for one thing. To make money through tax and policy manipulation. And as Ayn Rand displayed in her books, you cannot create wealth from thin air, especially in politics. For the rich to get richer through politics they have to shift that financial burden elsewhere. And who do you think it gets shifted to, us the middle and lower class of course. So open your eyes and stop being manipulated and duped by these vile people that don’t care about you or your children or the planet at large.

I am not a Democrat, a Republican, an Independent, a Liberal, or anything else. I am just one of billions of people on this planet that is tired of having our wonderful species be divided by the worst of us.

 

What are you talking about? I don’t look down on anyone.

Fuck, I like hunting and shooting guns in nature while drinking beers and smoking weed. Sounds like a great weekend. I don’t own a boat because they are a terrible investment. I like to get my hands dirty and build things and grow my own food. Shit we probably have more in common with each other then either of us do with Trump.

Just because I like to educate myself and learn about the world and apply that learning doesn’t mean I think I am better then people that prefer simple lives of hard work. I have thought about living that kind of life for a long time, is sounds really pleasant.

We don’t need to be enemies. We really aren’t enemies, we just have people trying to convince us we are. So let’s put our parties aside and think about this logically and discover what the truth of the matter is.

 

Well I hope whatever happens with the Bill, that it’s in both our best interest.

Actually that is in Italy, the island of Capri.

 

And you based this opinion on?

 

Why the fuck would you have even wanted to join storefront unless you sympathized with their vote premise that believes all other faces are inferior to whites?

Never knew this about you, and now your claims of "sciences says so..." is even more shrill. Blacks are no more or less "inferior", it is your hatred that makes you want to believe such bull!

 

PopCOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORN! Get your popcorn here. BeeeEEEEEEEEEEERRR??? Cold beer right here.

 

I think Donald Trump and Rush Limbaugh told him.

 

I joined Stormfront for the same reason I access XNXX. I enjoy investigating different points of view, stating my own, and arguing with those who disagree with me. I did not pay Stormfront anything.

I wanted to see how long I would last. The first week I was there I played it safe.

I contributed to a thread about pagan Germanic myth and legend. That is a subject about which I know a certain amount, having read in translation nearly everything that survives in print, along with Richard Wagner's Ring Cycle.

The Ring Cycle was based on the German Nibelungenlied, and the Icelandic Volsunga Saga. These are different narritives of the same Germanic legends, only in the Volsunga Saga the heroes are pagan warriors interacting with Germanic gods and goddesses. In the Nibelungenlied the heroes have been transformed into Christian knights.

Anyway, I was safe for a week.

The second week I became more adventuresome, and contributed to a thread about Mein Kampf, which I have read too. My edition is an English translation published in the United States shortly before the U.S. entry into the Second World War. I quoted a footnote pointing out that one of Hitler's accusations against German Jews was factually incorrect.

First I was suspended. They told me that they would think about what to do with me. Then I was told that I was permanently banned. I had read the Rules of Stormfront, and was careful to obey them. Nevertheless, I had to learn the hard way that a neo Nazi website was uninterested in a civil discussion of basic assumptions.

My detractors on XNXX seem uninterested too. Their response to my courteously expressed, fact based arguments frequently consist of nothing but jejune insults, that are often laden with obscene words.

I do not express hatred on XNXX.

Unfortunately, hatred is sometimes directed at me.

This hurts.

I'm a sensitive guy.

 

I read through some of their forum back in 2002 when I came across some news stories about them. Also I was a member of a music forum and one of the other members posted a story about Stormfront. While I'm sure that you think you might have learned something from them, I can honestly say that nothing they might teach me would be something I would want to learn. And there is nothing of me that they would tolerate.

I see no point in being a member of such an organization.

 

Republican senators have just voted for their version of the Trump tax scam legislation, a huge giveaway to the super-wealthy. By doing so, they have brought their overlords — the billionaire donor class — one step closer to their longstanding goal of dismantling Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid.

The donor class war against these programs is no secret. When David Koch ran for vice president in 1980 as part of the libertarian party, his platform stated , “We favor the abolition of Medicare and Medicaid programs,” and “We favor the repeal of the fraudulent, virtually bankrupt, and increasingly oppressive Social Security system.”

Fortunately for the rest of us, Republican politicians have not been careful about hiding their deceitful and destructive aims. In explaining the need to pass some version of the tax scam, Rep. Chris Collins (R-NY) confessed , “My donors are basically saying, ‘Get it done or don’t ever call me again.’” Senator Marco Rubio (R-FL) helpfully clarified that, in addition to passing the tax scam, Republicans also plan “to bring spending under control.”

Rubio went on to state that the “spending” he was referencing is our earned Social Security and Medicare benefits. What he said Republicans “have to” do is change “the structure of Social Security and Medicare.” That is, of course, a more euphemistic description than the one found in David Koch’s platform. But it means the same thing.

The Republicans tried to take a major step towards this goal in the Trumpcare fight this summer. In the guise of repealing and replacing the Affordable Care Act, they sought to destroy Medicaid by block granting it. Fortunately, that effort failed, thanks to enormous grassroots pressure.

Determined as they are, they are now seeking to accomplish the same goal but with somewhat different tactics. The tax scam, now headed to a conference committee, will trigger automatic cuts to Medicare, once Donald Trump signs it into law. According to the Congressional Budget Office, it will automatically cut Medicare by $25 billion in the next year and $400 billion in the next decade.

Last time Medicare faced an across the board benefit cut due to the 2013 budget sequester, it literally killed. Among other horrors, it led to elderly cancer patients being denied chemotherapy treatment. Congress could waive the automatic cuts, but it would require Speaker Paul Ryan, who has said he has been dreaming of these kinds of cuts since his college days, to bring a waiver bill to the floor and convince his caucus to vote for it.

How will Trump's administration impact you?
In addition to triggering automatic cuts to Medicare, the tax scam also reduces Medicaid’s enrollment by five million people, and increases premiums for many others who have private health insurance, as a result of repealing a key provision of the Affordable Care Act.

If the tax scam becomes law, those cuts to Medicare and Medicaid will be just the start. Rubio has made it clear that Republican politicians will use the lost revenue from the Tax Scam as an excuse to end Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid as we know them !!
{ http://www.newsweek.com/tax-plan-social-security-medicare-welfare-republicans-rubio-729133 }

This is just one more battle — albeit a major one — in an ongoing war. Republican elites and their donors have been trying to dismantle these programs since they were enacted. As far back as 1961, Ronald Reagan (then pitchman/host of television’s General Electric Theater) gained political prominence by opposing the creation of Medicare, claiming that it would lead to “socialist dictatorship.” Decades earlier, Republican presidential contender Alf Landon ran for president promising to repeal and replace FDR’s brand new Social Security program.

Today’s Republicans are still fighting the battle. After the GOP gave their last giant tax giveaway to the wealthy, President George W. Bush attempted to privatize Social Security. He pointed to budget deficits created by his tax giveaway and claimed that our nation “couldn’t afford” Social Security — even though it doesn’t contribute a single penny to the deficit.

Just as Rubio recently revealed the true motivations and goals of the tax scam, back in 2005 a top Bush Administration staffer wrote a confidential memo explaining the real reason Republicans were pushing Social Security privatization. The memo, which was fortuitously leaked, stated, “For the first time in six decades, the Social Security battle is one we can win — and in doing so, we can help transform the political and philosophical landscape of the country.”

The truth is that Republican donors have always hated Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. They simply want to be richer, the rest of the country be damned. In the past, the American people have thwarted every effort in this longstanding, ongoing war.

Republican politicians have learned from past failures. Instead of being clear about their hatred of these programs, they argue that they are simply trying to “save” them. They claim that the United States — the richest country in the world at the richest moment in its history — suddenly can’t afford these efficient and effective programs.

It is a shock that older voters who depend on these programs would ever vote Republican. If we want to keep these programs strong and functioning, it is imperative that we fight the tax scam with all our might. Though versions of it have now passed the Senate and the House, both chambers will have to vote again on a consensus version in order for it to become law.

 

Blah...Blah...Blah.

Trump already publiclly stated that entitlement reform was next on the agenda.

Which, in fact will be a major benefit to the tax payers, eliminating waste and fraudulence....

Trump won the election.

 

So what? I did not contribute money to Stormfront. I established a profile in order to infuriate antisemites by reminding them how intelligent and prosperous most Jews are. I did not need your approval. As things turned out, I did not have theirs either.