Surely the phrase " Trumpcare" is an oxymoron.

 

If he were using the Presidency to make money, you wouldn't necessarily see it in form of cash deposits. The money would come from elminating many regulations that affect his various businesses.

 

The detractors or holdouts are simply jockeying for position in order to have their say in this matter and if they are indeed a part of this that wish for what is best for the American public they will step in line come vote time however they need to do away with the haste in which they are attempting to cram this bill through and there need be no sense of urgency in this regard so take a breath and get it right !

 

And you must be of the opinion that other business's are not suffering from heavy regulations?

Trust me, there are plenty of senseless regulations hindering the real estate side of the economy, however, that is not the only business that the federal fucking government has stomped on with heavy regulations..

 

Just think of how much money we could save if the government wouldn't be so nitpicking about whether the siding on high rise buildings was flammable.

 

(sigh)
And yet you still avoid the fundamental question. Healthcare is expensive. Someone has to pay for it. Who should pay? To each according to his need, from each according to his ability? A socialist system?

You keep demonizing the "rich conservatives" and implying that they give not a fart for the plight of the poor. Until we can get past the demonizing of our opponents no real discussion can take place. Why should Bill Gates care what you have to say when you demonize him before you hear his thoughts? Why should Darrel Issa give a damn when you start off with preconceived notions about his position on health care? (by the way, Congressman Issa has some serious splainin to do for the revolution)

If the United States moved towards a single payer system Shooter believes it would fail, with worse care for all and massive increases in taxes. The US Government simply cannot run this type of program as efficiently as private industry. It's been proven with Social Security, with Unemployment, with welfare and with education.

Taking profit motive away from private industry would also harm the end product, but in someway redirecting it might work. Shooter does not offer the final solution, but the fundamental question remains; "Who should pay?"

 

Healthcare is expensive, so why should we pay more than we should for bad healthcare? If healthcare is not a right, why is there a right to life?

I seriously doubt you have ever paid for your healthcare in your life. Please tell me you pay for all your health need with cash out of pocket, and this "who's going to pay for it" mantra won't sound so hypocritical.

 

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President Donald Trump's approval rating plummeted over the weekend as controversy continues to swirl around Senate Republican's revised health care bill.

Just 38 percent of Americans now say they approve of the job the president is doing in office, a drop of four points in just three days, according to the latest Gallup survey released on Sunday.

Trump's disapproval also increased by three points up to 57 percent.

 

According to an analysis in today's Guardian the Chumpcare bill is not a healthcare bill it is simply a tax cut for the wealthiest 1% in the US and if enacted would be the largest single transfer of wealth to the rich from the middle class and poor in American history.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/26/trumpcare-health-tax-cut-1-percent

Thinskin

 

all Obamacare was a tax bill which is why it passed our supreme court....

so when you get rid of Obamacare you have a tax cut....

 

A lasting achievement of President Obama has been to convince most Americans that health care is a basic human right that everyone deserves, regardless of the ability to pay.

I suspect that many Congressional Republicans would like to end Medicaid and Medicare. They do not dare say so in public because the white working class, which has become essential for Republican electoral victories, depends on both programs.

 

all Obamacare was a tax bill which is why it passed our supreme court....

so when you get rid of Obamacare you have a tax cut....

- Randy Knight

It will be a tax cut for the rich. Making the rich richer is the only thing the Republican Party really cares about.

Any tax cut that trickles down to lower income white Republicans will not be enough to buy decent health insurance.

 

Universal healthcare is not more expensive that the failed American model. Not by a long shot.

And it is not necessary for the tax load to be shifted to the wealthy. It needs to be shifted to everyone. Do Americans pay for their schools, police, defence, highways etc on whether they perceive there to be a need for it in their particular case? No, the idea is silly.

They pay because society means there is an obligation to contribute to the greater good, for the benefit of everyone in the said society. What is so different about health care?

 

The American government has shown they can't be trusted to run health coverage. Just look at Medicare. It's cheaper to farm out Medicare recipients to an insurance company than cover them on straight Medicare. Even with what Medicare pays them the insurance companies are still making money.

 

In the United States health care per capita as a percentage of gross domestic product is about one third more expensive than it is in Australia, Canada, Germany, Switzerland, and the United Kingdom.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_health_expenditure_per_capita

According to the CIA World Factbook, life expectancy in each of these countries is higher than it is in the United States. Infant mortality is lower. Infant mortality is also lower in Cuba than it is in the United States.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2102rank.html#us

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2091rank.html#us

Bon Zeage has explained one of the reasons health care per capita is more expensive in the United States. Many Americans cannot afford regular doctor's checkups so they avoid health care until they are seriously ill with something like cancer or heart disease.

Another reason is that insurance companies absorb much of the money spent on health care in the United States.

 

If politicians with any amount of integrity looked to the north, being Canada's universal healthcare, as well as other nations with actual functioning health care programs that put the people first, ( OMG now there's a thought! ), a program could be built that would actually support the needs of all American citizens, with there being equal access by all.
But no! All the Republicans care about is filling the pockets of their friends rather than representing the people they're sworn to represent. Actually at the expense of the people they're sworn to represent.
Pitty! Bordering on criminal!
The next election should, and will be interesting!

 

In the United States lower income whites usually oppose domestic spending programs that will help them if those programs also help lower income blacks.

 

It don't think that the Republicans or Democrats are ready to entertain socialized medicine. I think that what we will see is a watered down version of what we have now. The one thing I do think we will see is eliminating the tax penalty for those who want to opt out of it.

 

You sure show extreme jealously of the rich.

Why is that?

 

Obamacare only has 11.4 million enrolled in it.....

was such an uproar over getting rid of it.....