There's always some idiot who thinks the reason their ideas aren't accepted is because there's too many people who have considered them. The solution is to resort to various forms of gerrymandering. Succession is the most extreme form. One will notice, succession is never advocated for an area with a diverse population.

What these people want to create is not "New California," but Third World California.

 

Attaboy!
Anyone not in lockstep with arrogant elite liberal views is to be demonized, minimized, and attacked.
Accuse them of being illiterate! Racist! Stupid! living in third world communities!

No matter the source, the accuracy, the ethics. Lie, cheat, steal if necessary!

 

It's kind of the opposite. In fact this thread was started to demonize California and look who all falls in lock step. It's funny how people complain about the very same things they do themselves.

 

Gerrymandering is perfectly ok, when your party gains from it. For decades a Republican could not win in the South. The Yellow Dog Democrats loved it. Now, not so much.

 

It's not California it is the large population centers in California. I know a lot of people in California that are fed up with the big cities pushing their views on them.

 

People flocking to low-tax states could swing future elections

In general, states that keep taxes low and provide a competitive business climate perform far better than the states that follow the tax-and-spend approach.

 

What about Kansas?

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NPR October 25, 2017

Kansas Gov. Sam Brownback is notorious for what is known as the Kansas experiment, a bold effort to assert the power of limited government.

In 2012, the Republican governor pushed reforms through the state Legislature that dramatically cut income taxes across the board. Brownback boasted the plan would deliver a "shot of adrenaline" to the Kansas economy.

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Trump's Tax Plan Has Echoes Of The Kansas Tax Cut Experiment
But the opposite happened.

Revenues shrank, and the economy grew more slowly than in neighboring states and the country as a whole. Kansas' bond rating plummeted, and the state cut funding to education and infrastructure.

 

Hell, we have enough problems with one California. We do not need even more problems.

 

I wonder how they feel about farm subsidies.

The Heritage Foundation, Mar 29th, 2011

Lawmakers seeking to rein in the spending spree that has produced a staggering $1.4 trillion budget deficit are ignoring one of the ripest sources of potential savings: farm subsidies.

Most congressional deficit-reduction proposals have been silent on farm subsidies, and the House Agriculture Committee recently released a bipartisan letter pre-emptively warning against fundamental agriculture reform. Because farm subsidies are concentrated in “red America,” they will test conservatives’ willingness to apply tough budget choices to their own favored programs...

The average farmer earns more than $83,000 annually (nearly 20 percent above the national average), according to the Department of Agriculture. Commercial farmers, who receive the majority of subsidies, report an average net income of $170,000, and a net worth close to $1 million. And despite past attempts to limit subsidies to millionaire farmers, the last farm bill actually repealed key payment limits.
https://www.heritage.org/budget-and-spending/commentary/farm-subsidies-ripe-reform

 

Most farmers do not like or want the subsidies. The only thing farmers want is a stable market and a fair price for their crops.

There are not to many farmers that are actually even living above middle class.

That "worth" is their land which for most has been in their family for a good 100 years or more. It is in equipment that without they cannot farm.

Now let's take that $170,000 which is not what the farm makes it is what the farmer and his wife working in town make together and break it down. Let say that farmer has just one tractor payment that is about $20,000 - $50,000/year. Now we are left with well we will say $150,000 at best.

Let's go ahead and make a property tax payment shall we. The average farmer in America owns 1,000 acres and seeing after last year's rate hike the average midwestern farmer pays about $80/acre on just property taxes. That is $80,000. Now we have just $70,000 left.

Let's get this rolling or I will be here all day.
Fuel $15,000, Seed $5,000, Repairs and Maintenance $10,000 if nothing big breaks.

Now that farm family has just $35,000 to last the entire next year. Please take note I did not account for health care, food, clothing, car payments, electric bills, phone, internet, heating or house repairs.

Now also consider most farmers never seen a dime in subsidies and if they did they would be too proud to take it.

Also not everyone in rural areas are farmers.

Never EVER start a farm debate with me DL.

Remember I started life as a dirt poor farm boy, I have done a lot in life and made a lot out of my life, I will always be that dirt poor midwestern farm boy at heart.

One more little detail 80% of the money in the farm bill is the food stamp program another thing farmers are too proud to take is a hand out for food.

 

I really do have to wonder why so many members around here actually push Russian propaganda? That just seems to strange to me to be a coincidence.

Especially since RT and Fox News are about the only ones pushing this story.

 

Are you in favor of ending farm subsidies, then?