It was the Macedonian Empire. First Macedonia conquered Greece. Then Macedonian and Greek soldiers under the leadership of Alexander the Great conquered the Persian Empire.

The Byzantine Empire was centered in Greece, but the Byzantines considered themselves to be Roman.

 

Look.

You're on ignore, but I can see you're ranting about something.

There was a Greek Empire. Period. Full Stop.

You doughnut heads who don't care for gyros can screw. The Greeks WERE civilization for a thousand years.

Un-fucking-believable.


First Pluto's no longer a planet, and now this. Goddamn revisionist slime worm filth.

 

Tell us some more about all that money you make with a degree in poetry, a job working from home, and enough time to post inane comments here.

 

The fact is that people simply refuse to believe that there are any differences between races .

If that so-called fact is ever challenged then the assumption is that the warrants for challenging it are faulty because we know there are no differences between races or so goes the argument .

It's a tautology .

It sounds like many members of this forum have been carefully taught late 20th century sensibilities as regard issues of race .

And one thing that I have learned is that if someone is simply made up their mind there's no sense arguing with them.

Liberty fraternity and equality sounded great and Revolutionary France as well but what they got was Napoleon

 

Maybe those who refuse to accept there is a difference in race belong to one of the races that are not that civilized yet. Maybe in a few hundred years, when they stop eating each other, their IQ will start to rise.

 

I have also given many examples of differences between the races that go beyond the physical.

But we've all become so hypersensitive that even saying differences is tantamount to saying white supremacy .

During the Stalin era it was illegal to say that there were any differences between people of any kind and that any differences that could exist were the result of environment.

It held back advances in biology in the Soviet union for decades .

I fear that that is where we are going in this country

 

It should be pretty easy to understand. If there is a difference in skin color between people what makes people think there are not other differences? The difference in people is so obvious that you can tell it from a block away. Just imagine what difference the DNA would show.
Politically correct has become the same as stupid. A person would have to pretty damn stupid to think there is not a difference between the races.
All you have to do is open your eyes.

 

Again there are differences in proclivities and reactions to certain diseases

There are disparities between IQ ratings

There are differences in muscle cells that make certain groups better at different physical skills .

The list goes on and on so why are we so worked up on this notion that there are no differences between races ? It's not even a question of superiority it's a question of difference .

There is no longer any doubt that there are differences between men and women that go beyond the physical .

Women have a larger corpus collosum for example so they tend to process more evenly between the two hemispheres of the brain while men tend to process more in the left hemisphere .

That's the difference but no one would ever say that it's a bad thing .

Maybe we can all just calm down and follow the science so that we can advance beyond our preconceived notion's .

I know some of you don't want there to appear to be differences between races but not wanting it does not make your Opinion correct.

 

Shooter fully believes in following the scientific approach.
Can you point out the gene(s) that control intelligence?
Can you point out the gene(s) that control violence?

No?

Never mind. Science hasn't been able to find them either.
Because they don't exist.

- shootersa

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NBCNEWS
By ALICIA CHANG, MALCOLM RITTER

Aug 9, 2011

LOS ANGELES — Scientists who hunt for "intelligence genes" used to think there were fewer than half a dozen of them.

In recent years, they determined there may be at least 1,000 — each with just a tiny effect on the differences in people's IQ. A study released Tuesday found new evidence that many genes play a role in intelligence, but scientists still couldn't pinpoint the specific genes involved...

Previous work involving twins and adopted children has found that genes have a significant influence on differences in IQ scores, producing about half the difference between adults in general. The influence of genes on IQ appears to grow from childhood to adulthood.

Scientists have come to realize that, as with height, differences in intelligence come not from a few genes, but rather the overall effect of many genes, each with only tiny influence. That makes them hard to tease out.

The new DNA study, reported online Tuesday in the journal Molecular Psychiatry, came to similar conclusions.

 

Science is not found the gene that controls blonde hair science has not found the genes that control certain types of cancers science is not found the genes that control what makes people ticklish and because they haven't been found doesn't mean that these traits don't exist .

I know this bothers you so why don't you start working on having me banned so you don't have to listen to me anymore.

That way no one will ever have to challenge your position and you will never have to think

 

Thank you that was very informative .

It won't make a dent in shiters's mind though. It's science that disagrees with his preconceived notions. So therefore it must be wrong

 

There must be many people who have never had a pet or raised a plant. Must have never bought or eaten any grains or fruit.
How the hell do you explain how we have different breeds of animals developed for different purposes?
Do you think the apples we eat today is the same as the apples that grew several hundred years ago?
What about corn, wheat, pears, plums?
Do you think a jersey cow is the same as an angus cow?

Do you think people are any different than every other plant and animal on this earth?
People should read more and talk less.

 

IQ is the ability to learn.
Why would you believe genes could impact everything else but somehow think the ability to learn is different?
Selective breeding. If you breed for one gene or trait long enough it will change the color of hair, physical traits.
Why is it so hard to understand that the ability to learn can also be bred for?

If for hundreds of years people were selective bred only for the ability to climb a banana tree they would be very good at climbing a banana tree.
If that is about the only thing they had to learn the ability to learn would not be one of the genes or traits that would be needed.
Ability to learn would not be an important trait or gene and the people would not pick out the one with the best ability to learn as a mate. They would pick out the best banana tree climber.

 

shootersa,

Because of the sanctions and taboos against doing research into the genetics of intelligence it is a wonder that there have been any findings at all. Anything that indicates that bad genes are responsible for black problems can be a career stopper. The work continues anyway.

The Chinese and Japanese lack our inhibitions on this matter. I expect great things to come from their research.

 

Here's the thing

People like shittersa firmly believe in what is called the fallacy of the slippery slope. The only difference is that shittersa believes that it's not a fallacy

The fallacy of the slippery slope is this mistaken belief that if you start down a road it will automatically continue on in that direction . Generally it's used to make a point about the danger of something that people don't like .

What's happening here is that People Think that if you start saying there are differences between races the next step will be that people will start saying that certain races are superior And once that happens the next thing you know you have genocide as evidenced they say by people like Adolf Hitler. It's weird that they have to go back to 80 years to make their point but that's a whole other issue .

All I am saying is that it's clear that there are differences between races and I'm saying nothing else .

In the case of dogs zoologists generally agree that the Afghan hound is among the least intelligent of dogs while the border collie is among the most intelligent

It's not a stretch to assume that what makes a border collie a border collie is it's DNA. So it's not a stretch to assume that that also determines its intelligence .

But shittersa Will never accept this because it counters the worldview that he has and there is no amount of evidence that could ever change his mind .

One could become the vessel of eloquence and it would not move him at all .

And why? well that's a simple syllogism .

Major premise:

shittersa Does not believe that there are differences between races.

Minor premise:

shitttersa is never wrong

Conclusion:

Shittersa is not wrong when he says that there are no differences between races .

Somehow this stretches out to his massive arrogance in having such a strong belief in this principle that he is willing to ban anyone from even posting anything contrary to his opinion .

I urge this person to remember Occam's razor . When there are many explanations to a quandary one is usually correct in assuming the simplest one is the true one .

 

Shooter, I will try another way.
Years ago when man was the newbie on earth birds had claws, or spurs, on their wings. They were for defense as some birds had no other defense. As time went by, not just a few years, birds began to fly. This was a better defense than claws, spurs, on their wings. The claws also weighed more than feathers. More time went by and the birds who had smaller claws were able to fly faster and lived longer. Since there was more of them they did the majority of breeding and the claws kept getting smaller until they were gone. Birds have not had claws or spurs on their wings for a long time.
A little while back scientists found out by turning on certain genes they could make the common chicken hatch with claws or spurs on their wings.
Genes are dominant or recessive. The claws were dominate for a long time as they were needed to keep a bird alive long enough to breed. Since the breeding birds had claws the young also had claws. When birds grew feathers and were able to fly the gene for claws changed to a recessive gene. No breeding birds had claws so none of the young had claws.
Remember this did not happen in a couple of weeks. A dominate gene can change to a recessive gene. A recessive gene can become a dominate gene.

People are pretty much the same. When mankind was young life was not that easy. Man had to be more athletic than intelligent. The strongest people were the breeders. Nerds were not so lucky. As time passed man had to start using his brain more and his brawn less. Not all races of men started at the same time. They didn't send out a tweet. Some races were more developed mentally than other races because of where they lived and the skills needed to survive. Some areas men didn't have to be a genius to live. Climbing a banana tree wasn't that hard to learn. Sailing the ocean took a little more intelligence. Climbing a banana tree never let the genes develop as much as those used sailing the ocean. After thousands of years climbing a banana tree still didn't exercise the brain that much. Developing a civilization gave the brain more exercise.

All men are born with the same genes. It is a matter of what genes are recessive and which genes are dominate. They do not evolve at the same rate.
Look at it like a foot race. When the starting gun goes off one person starts running. The other man sits down and watches a bug. The man running is going to be in the lead. The longer the other man looks at that bug the farther ahead the other man will get. One day the bug crawls off and the man gets up and starts running the race. He is far behind. He may catch up in time but it isn't going to be in the next few days. Don't forget the first man is still running and getting better at running.

No one knows when and if the last man will ever catch up with the first man. He will be running and he will learn to run better every day but so will the first man.

 

Yours is a worthy effort, but I fear the effort will be in vain. shootersa believes what he wants to believe, and disregards the rest.

He tells me that the facts I post are biased and unreliable, but he is not able to explain how they are biased and unreliable. He asserts that intelligence is determined exclusively by environment.

 

I agree .

Shittersa is part of a continuum of people who believe that environment is the last word in the academic understanding of human nature .

He is in the company of people like Stalin Who not only believed this but also banned any research into competing theories .

But there's a point where one cannot suffer fools gladly .

I grew up with a psychologist for a father and he used to tell me that the two worst human attributes were stupidity and stubbornness .

Shittersa fully and proudly embraces both.

 

I agree .

Arguing about whether we can call it the Greek empire or whether it was a Macedonian empire or a Hellenistic empire are all just issues of semantics .

We can fight over tiny details of labeling but my original argument still stands