a ban on importing endangered species trophies ?

Surely that is just retarded in this century.

He'd be better off sending in the troops to reinstate Mugabe and Gucci Grace to the Zimbabwe throne.

Dose that make Americans proud ?

It sure won't make America great.

 

It is simple. Look at the explosion in the number of deer, turkey, bear, and almost every wild game animal since the sport hunters have started hunting.
When I was young there were not any wild turkeys. Most hunters went all deer season without even seeing a deer.
Bear were not even thought about.
Now, in the same place, deer are all over the place. The deer season has been extended by weeks and more hunters are allowed to kill more deer each season. Flocks of wild turkey are commonly seen. There are enough bear for a season on them.
When people who hunt an animal for sport take over much more money is used to increase the number of animals.
People wanting to conserve animals do not spend much money on the actual preservation of the animals.

 

Funny how the above hasn't worked in Africa and Asia ,
where trophy hunters have been at work for many decades , and even several hundred years.

Elephants , rhino , leopards , tigers and so many more , all continuing to deminish and disappear .

It is a pretty sad world if the only hope for them is to allow very wealthy foreigners come and kill some ,
in the vein hope that somehow magically , a few thousand dollars will halt the decline and increase the numbers.

Unfortunately it is far more complicated than that ,
but somehow the great white hunter has failed badly so far , with his part in it all.

 

What does this have this have to do with importing trophies from Africa?

 

It's not big game hunters hurting elephants, rhino, and big cats. It's poachers driven by the black market in SE Asia.

I hunt, I have a rule I won't kill any animal I won't be eating unless of course it's the critter or me.

 

Liberal/green/supposedly effete conservationists didn't shoot all the wild turkeys you fool.
Hunters did and this whilst their habitat was reduced/raided/raped by our expansion.
Sobeit, that was then.
Conservation does pay - it is economically proven
Trophies are obscene as is/was Mugabe's rule - don't conflate the two, that's cheap ... and plain stupid

 

It is easy to see you know little about wild animals or animals in general. What city street did you learn this at or is it just something they told you to repeat?
There are more wild turkeys now than there has ever been. It is because hunters took it on themselves to take over when the conservationist failed miserably.
Loss of habitat has much more to do with the numbers of any wild species that how much they are hunted. When hunters took over they improved the habitat so
the animals would have a place to live and food to eat.
Deer are so plentiful now that the bag numbers have been increased, and in some places, entirely removed. Thanks to hunters, who pay for all of this.
The green people spend money on advertisement and paying each other. The animals suffer.

 

If anyone really wants to know about wildlife in America The Council on Environmental Quality puts out a book called Wildlife and America. It is cosponsored by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, Forestry Service, and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. It will tell you of all of the fuckups the government and the greenies have done in all of the years they have tried controlling wildlife.

 

This is a bad decision by the Trump administration... I do not agree with it...

However, you can't expect to see eye to eye with everyone all the time.

 

It's easier to see that you ignored or more likely didn't bother to read what Slutwolf posted......it's all in the first sentence.

"A ban on importing endangered species trophies".

As usual you went off on your own tangent.

 

Lived in the country all my life, still do, very wild and remote
Hunted, still shoot for the pot
Worked for the local hunt, we agree on some things, disagree on others
Sorry, but you are not the noble savage, the red in tooth and claw repository of "true""wild knowledge"
Habitat loss is primarily due to to human impact, that's pretty inescapable
There is a "crossover" - hunters and conservationists can and do want wild habitat for different reasons
Your argument that conservation doesn't pay is however spurious at best, uninformed at worst ...
... poor really

Referencing the loose-moralled wolf's original statement:
we shouldn't allow the importation of endangered species trophies because they're endangered
Species conservation in Africa is, to put it mildly, problematic ..
Allowing rich white fools to pay to plunder what is existentially threatened will not safeguard the future of these species

 

Allowing the rich to hunt different species for trophies will ensure a suitable habitat to grow those trophies. The entire species, and many others, will benefit from the habit.
Conservationist will not provide the needed habitat and the species will still suffer from poaching. Hunters can and will stop much of the poaching.
To provide trophy size animals there will have to be suitable habitat to feed those trophies as well as protection from poachers for the species to become trophies.
What has been done for many years has failed. The numbers of many species are still on the decline.
It is past time to abandon the old way that has failed and try something newer that has a history of working.
Or we can just keep loosing species until they are not any to protect and provide habitat for.

 

Providing habitat ?

How do you "provide" a million acres of savanna , for a couple of herds of elephants ?

And how long will that take ?
and where will you get the elephants from once it's ready ?
and rhino ?

An elephant gestates for two years , and then gives intensive care for four years.
that's 6 years invested in each calf , before it has even a chance of survival to adulthood.

Elephants are normally weaned from 5 to 10 years old ,
and are adolescent until about 17 ,
and may start breeding at about 15.

So clearly any strategy to improve their situation , has to be very long term.

An elephant might produce 6 calves in her lifetime.
A human looking after her , might see her produce 4 or 5 in their working life ,
and be lucky if their all still alive at the end.

There is a possible solution.

Allow great white hunters to hunt poachers , and take home the trophies.

 

read the written ignorance trump called a letter
all he is doing is undoing what obama had done

they are saying that it stops the importation of tusks yet it clearly removes that ban that was put in place in 2016

 

A plan has already been put into action in several places in Africa. It has changed the fading lion population.
Land owners are helping the wild species rather than killing them. The plan was put into place several years ago. Private land owners, especially those close to large animal preserves, are allowed to sell trophy animal hunts. They work with animal conservatives in culling out the old non breeding animals. They are allowed to let hunters kill selected animals that are past the age for breeding. These are the large older animals. Especially in lions a younger male will take over and force the older male out. These are the trophy animals. If left alone they will usually be killed or die within a short time. Hunters pay the land owner to hunt one of these trophies. It gives the landowner quite a bit of money which makes it profitable to let the animals stay on their land. Before many landowners would kill many species of animals because of them killing livestock and eating up the grazing.
With this plan taking over it stops the slaughter of many species, pays the land owners, the cost is passed on to hunters, and the older past breeding age animals are culled.

 

So already the fool looks foolish yet again.
One day in and ,
er , cancel that ,
we better look into this a bit more.

Ah well , he can stack it on the shelf , up against the wall plans I guess , along with the invoice to Mexico , preserved for his future library ,
"America Going Backwards"
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What's the chance that the original idea to reverse Obama's ban on importing endangered species trophies was concocted by donnie's eldest sons, Eric and Donny Jr ("Beavis and Butthead"), both being big game shooters themselves.

 

This is very simple, so without the "baffle them with bullshit" tactic that someone else has already been employing in this thread (and many others), I'll just spell it out.

1. Trips for American's to hunt in Africa and elsewhere "exotic" are very expensive propositions. More so to mount an exotic animal is equally expensive. Ergo... Since only those relatively well off or better can reasonably afford it regularly, he is helping out the pals of the group he desperately wants to be in.

2. The Ass Clown and Chief doesn't have even the minimal intelligence to do what's right about protecting the health and wellbeing of humans, so why would he give fuck-all about a horny hippo looking kinda thing?

3. In fact, the Dick Head of State doesn't have the capability to make decisions that have any foresight at all. He is simply a petulant child who stomps his foot, flops on the floor kicking and screaming shouting "but I want it! I want it now! I don't care if I don't know what to do with it, I just want it!" It doesn't matter if it is the last DoDo, or the singular seed that will save the entire population of the earth from extinction. He just wants to know that "HE" can have what he wants, when he wants it, whether he wants it or not.

In the end, he's not as malicious as he is just simply dumb, needy, and desperately wants to belong to a group that would never consider someone with the ilk of him. More so, the very group he wishes to impress more often than not do not have the time to waste on such trivial pursuits, and typically fund and initiate the very laws that he is overturning... Because they do have foresight...

Ah well, just another day at the circus the U.S. has become thanks to all those who are even stupider than he is.

Well done!

Hush....an alias

 

Mugabe is still leader, he is a revolutionary soldier. Zimbabwe is ousting him because of some bullshit party. I not be surprised if change the name back to Rhodesia. The USA is so crass and cavalier they dont even wait to make laws about importing these things. passing laws that willl only have relevance in the US if Zimbabwe is overthrown before it has occurred is the big story.

 

The USA is fast being seen as a protectionist, racist, self absorbed degenerate country but the lure for immigrants is still that you can freely be an idiot there, or so I have been told.