As it turns out, groups representing Illegal Immigrants made some "demands" on the City of Charlotte and North Carolina in general;
Comunidad Colectiva recently released a list of demands on behalf of undocumented immigrants, including one calling for a “distribution of funds to provide legal services for immigrants in deportation proceedings.”
fight a North Carolina statute, known as House Bill 318, that prohibits local governments from restricting law enforcement’s cooperation with federal immigration officials.
And the group wants the city to oppose the federal 287(g) program in which local police collaborate with immigration agencies.

Some advocates in the immigrant community have accused federal agents of over stepping rules since the election of President Donald Trump, including “raids” and road check points to round up undocumented immigrants. U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement has denied being engaged in such activities.

ICE officials say the 30-plus undocumented immigrants arrested in Mecklenburg County so far this year are either convicted criminals, facing felony charges, or they have been deported once before and re-entered the country.

In any case, the City of Charlotte decided they had better things to fund than legal representation for those in the country Illegally, and declined to even offer up a letter of support for those in the country illegally.

Good on the City of Charlotte.

 

Deportation is not a State issue, local law agencies can hold for 48 hours legally, for no mother fucking reason at all.

 

Off with their fucking heads!

 

How do you know if an undocumented person is from another country, if there are no documents?

If a person is a US citizen, how do they prove that, if their in jail for 48 hours?

 

Well, here's the thing. It is the responsibility of the government to prove one is in the country illegally.
You know, the old "innocent until proven guilty" idea.
If one is arrested as a suspected illegal immigrant one need do nothing but wait and see if ICE agents can figure it out. You know, like with fingerprints and such.

Shooter thought this deserved a thread because these groups specifically represent those in the country ILLEGALLY, not legally. And, they thought they could "demand" of the city that legal fees for immigration hearings be paid by the city. They also take issue with the idea of local law enforcement cooperating with ICE in any way.

They also made an unsupported charge that "Thousands" of people had been deported by ICE through the use of "illegal" road blocks and housing sweeps since Trump was elected. ICE countered that they have not used road blocks or housing sweeps, and that the 30 or so people deported so far this year are convicted criminals, facing felony charges, or have already been deported once and have shown up again.

Finally, as you know, the issue isn't one of documents, or a lack thereof, it's a matter of law violations, I.E. "Undocumented" VS "Illegal".

 

Well, most likely the first thing you do is ask them....

If they provide a real name and SS#, the persons identification can be confirmed within a matter of minutes using the FBI citizen and criminal background check system.

If they have been arrested before, their finger prints and other information is in the system.

It's not hard to verify if they are a US citizen or not.....

 

So, I'm walking up the steps of the Courthouse, and an ICE agent demands to know if I'm a US citizen. I don't have any ID on me. Why do I have to prove anything?

Do I go to jail? What crime have I committed?

 

Because it's the law.... If I'm walking down the street and a cop ask me for identification, I can either comply, or risk going to jail until my identity is confirmed.


A person may have warrants, hell they may be the most wanted person in the country, and how would the police know if they stood around all day just minding their own business and letting criminals do as they please... Is that what you want Bron Zeage?

 

What law says I have to carry identification papers, just in case a policeman stops me while I'm walking down the street? If I'm driving a car on a public road, he can ask for a driver licence, but I don't need a license to walk in public.

I am constantly amazed at how many freedom loving Americans have suddenly gotten cozy with the idea that in order to be safe these days, we have to give the police new powers.

What you want to do is give the police the power to approach anyone and demand they prove who they are, to the satisfaction of a beat cop. What happens if he is not satisfied? Now, a law abiding citizen is in jail, after committing no crime, but for failing to convince a police officer that he has the right to stand on a street corner.

Is that what you want, natureboy?

 

Hey, I don't make the laws, I just obey them. I don't have a problem with providing ID if asked. And unless a person has something to hide, it should not be an issue...

 

See, that's how we lose our freedom. Someone like you comes along and says, "Well, if you have nothing to hide, what's the problem?" and suddenly anyone who doesn't cooperate is acting suspiciously.

Why worry if the police want to look around your house, or maybe take your computer back to the station. If you have nothing to hide, everything will be fine. It's not like you have Trump's old tax returns, or anything.

 

If they have ever been in the service the FBI will have their prints also

 

Law enforcement asking for someone's ID while out in public does not in any way compare to the rights and privacy with regards to a person in their home.

 

That's not really the point.

What happens when the policeman is unconvinced? Suppose Mr. Law Abiding Nothing to Hide doesn't have an ID, or the policeman thinks it's not a real ID? In your world of nothing to hide, the policeman has the power to detain this person.

After all, what's the worse that could happen? We all know that our police are incorruptible public servants. If a policeman had the power to pick anybody off the street, on nothing more than their own judgment(this all legal, of course), no one would ever abuse that power.

 

Exactly why would it be so difficult for you to give the officer your name and address? If he asked you for your SS number, why couldn't you tell him that? You do have the mental capacity to remember it, right?

If you want to be a wise ass and refuse to comply with a couple simple questions, certainly you can't be surprised you will be treated like a suspect. You will have aroused suspicion and most likely will be questioned further.

So the million dollar question would be, why would you be that stupid? I know you'll say, but I have my rights. However that is what a stupid person would say, a wise person would comply with a couple questions and be on his way.

I'd also remind you it is against forum rules to divulge information contained in P.M.'s.

 

There is nothing wrong with your cock.

As with most of today's conservatives, you like to give the government more power when you think you are being protected, and want to reduce that power when other people seek protection.

This isn't about being a smart ass to a policeman. This is about whether or not we give the police the power to detain(put them in jail) anyone who cannot produce proof of whatever the police demand.

 

Yeah, that happens sometimes. It's not a perfect world. If it was, we wouldn't need police at all.

But seeing how the world is not perfect and does have some very bad people in it, what are you suggesting be done different?

 

Ok, look. Here's a couple of examples of cop stops. This first one, these guys go out and want to be confrontational; the cop is (in Shooters opinion) a bit to talkative. The cop doesn't have to explain himself to that level, but he did (in Shooters opinion) a good job.


And then you have Barney Fife, or maybe Barnette Fife. Wrong approach, no probable cause, and lets a simple situation escalate far beyond where it needed to go.


Make sense?

 

Send the valedictorians home to make their birth-countries great again.