On March 9 the little fat fucker was shown in a picture of what is supposed to be a minatureized nuclear bomb.
There is no work if that is true or false. If it is true we should do something today. Tomorrow could be too late.

 

The only possible reason that the Chinese have for aiding North Korea is that they think North Korea would be helpful if there were a war between them and the United States. They are also worried about a refugee crisis if things get really bad there which is just around the corner probably . I suspect if there were a series of very targeted attacks against North Korea the Chinese would make a lot of noise but probably would do nothing further . The problem is that the targets that we would need to hit are probably in the hardened areas and the mountains that have been carved out. Perhaps we have the technology to make it through those impediments but I don't know

 

You remain a dishonest conniving non-fucker DL. So don't try to put your lying words in my mouth. I never said a fucking thing about the Baathist. What I very clearly said is the US/CIA helped Saddam rise to power and then much more importantly helped him stay in power for decades. And those are the historical facts.

 

After World War I and Korea maybe the lesson to be learned is that armistices are not the way to go .

My guess is the plans are already in the works between the US and China regarding North Korea . I won't venture a gas into what that agreement might look like but it's not in the Chinese interest to protect the present regime in North Korea any longer

North Korean missile's certainly cannot hit the United States yet but they sure can hit China and Japan

Fatty the third as the Chinese call Kim probably doesn't listen to China anymore anyway .

 

The Chinese do have an interest in preserving North Korea as a buffer against the U.S. military. I hope Trump understands that.

 

The Hstorical Facts
right around the region make some pretty sad reading ,
but we still have to learn from them , or we will continue for decades more , to make the same mistakes we've still been making for recent decades.

The biggest thing we failed to learn , was that in the post colonial , post empire , post WWII erra , the world changed.
We can no longer impose our western/european ideals and forms of governance etc. on everyone else.

Basically , since the ousting of the colonial backed Shah of Iran (roughly) ,
all we have achieved , is to bank generations of hatred for the west , and US , particularly amongst Muslims ,
through interfering and madaling in their ways.
Worst being , a failure to realise our ways just don't work there.
Strong men/families/tribes rule , that's the way it is , whether backed by the west , the east or the north , that is what works.

Rulers rise to the top of the pile.
We need to learn we can't pick the rulers any more .
All we can effectively do , is to try to improve their behavior and methods.

Our ideal of their rulers , can not rule there.
When they rise up to change things , leave it to them to choose , because as bad as we think their choices may be ,
they'll work better than our choices.

IF , we have to get involved , such as to help with problems like IS , we have to back the established leaders ,
not just the leaders we decide on.

All the interferences in Iran and Iraq didn't achieve anything positive.
Iran is stronger and more independent.
Iraq is weaker , dependant and a total ongoing disaster.
Now we've added Syria to the whole mess , and in the process , given about half of both countries to IS ,
and not only is Assad still there ,
still the leader ,
but Russia has literally moved in.

Russia is positioned exactly where the west should have , or at the least , could have been.

Assad wouldn't have had to fight western backed terrorists as well as IS.
.
The west wouldn't have wasted years backing a two way loosing battle , one against Assad and another against IS.

Six years of war and counting , and the only gains have been by IS , so far ,
and the best and most likely thing we can hope for now , is that Assad's side , backed by Russia , with Russian boots on the ground will win in the end.

Not very smart really.


And a note , re Saddam.
It is rather ingenious to suggest Saddam was helped , but not the Baathists
Saddam was just the baathist's head honcho.
(by their methods)
They were his power base.
He was their leader.
Back one , you back both.

 

I'm not sure that I agree with that but at the very least I think they are very worried about the refugee crisis because there's no place to go for North Koreans other than China. East and west are very large bodies of water and I believe the north south Korea border is the most land mined part of the world

 

China warns North Korea another nuclear weapons test would take relations beyond 'point of no return'


North Korea has been warned not to go past the “point of no return” with another nuclear test by China, as the US and South Korea carry out high-profile military exercises.

An editorial in the Global Times, regarded as a mouthpiece for the ruling Communist Party, said Beijing was hoping for a peaceful outcome but had “very limited influence on the entire situation”.

“The game of chicken between Washington and Pyongyang has come to a breaking point,” it added, saying that if North Korea followed through on vows to carry out a sixth nuclear test, “it is more likely than ever that the situation will cross the point of no return.

 

In 1931 Japan invaded Manchuria through Korea. I doubt that even many of Trump's Deplorables want the United States to invade China. I doubt that many Chinese agree with me about this.

 

My apologies DL. I misread your post and thought that it said that the Chinese do not have an interest in using North Korea as a buffer against the US military.
I think that some kind of arrangement can be made if war happens on the peninsula for the Chinese to oversee a provisional government because I don't think they are going to allow a united Korea right on their border unless the US is not involved in South Korea. I also think this idea of millions of deaths as a result of such a war is just so much alarmist thinking . There Air Force is tiny and their navy can easily be dealt with so the only thing that they have is their army but I don't see how they can push very far into South Korea without a violent response that could obliterate most of their army in the first wave .
As to this possibly beginning of World War III I would like to say that people said this about Germany before World War II . If we attack them they could start another world war they said .
Doing nothing about people like this is not the failsafe way to achieve peace .

 

Apology accepted.

 

I'm already arguing with too many people on here and it sort of looked like I started arguing with myself and what I had already said .

 

I would favor removing that is the third because I think his regime would crumble without him however the experiences with Fidel Castro and Saddam Hussein show how difficult this is in reality . Also I believe that executive order 11905 prohibits doing this but I'm not exactly sure if this would be honored during wartime .

 

That should read I would favor removing fatty the third Kim Jong-un

 

That is just another rule of war. There shouldn't be any rules in a war to begin with.

The U.S. tried to kill Castro many times. He was just a step ahead of them and a little more intelligent.
They should have taken Saddam out the first time and we wouldn't have to keep going back.

 

Like any big power I'm sure the US would ignore even its own laws when it comes to wartime.

The Germans had no problem ignoring the Geneva Convention to which they were a signatory in World War I. By using gas

 

It isn't the rules that stop the U.S. The longer a war goes on the more money is made.
War can make people rich. The longer the war the more people get rich and the rich get richer.

 

I think the bigger problem in the future will be Iran . Clearly China is sick to death of North Korea but Russia still has extremely strong ties with Iran .

Also it's a much bigger country and their nuclear program is more spread out and more hardened .

Maybe that should be the topic for another thread

 

I doubt the Chinese are really actually worried about a refugee problem from north Koreans.
Think about it ,
China has the biggest population , and the biggest standing army in the world , and no really troublesome borders.
To the north , frozen wasteland ,or desert.
To the south , the Himalayas.
To the west , thousands of miles of not much trouble.
That leaves the only border they might have to seriously defend , NK.
That means , whatever happens , they can concentrate most , almost all of their efforts along a relatively short border.
Only about 600k as the crow flies ,
(compared to the US Mexican border over 2000k , for example)
the northern half of which is really very inhospitable anyway.

So relatively , any NK refugee problem wouldn't be much more than a minor annoyance , if it occurred.
And if it got that bad , I'd suggest they'd effectively just take over , one way or another.

Remember:
Like it or lump it , China are this century's super power.
They have their own satellite systems , to watch any and everything they want.
Are developing their own GPS system , and have everything and all the technology , manpower and resources they need.
Virtually no offshore/overseas military commitments , and haven't gone to war in decades.
So NK is just a little itch on their ankle.

you could say , the NK SK border is the sole of one foot
wise athletes look after their feet